PUA Forum :: Better screening for SNL? The battle for Stalingrad

Honestly it disgusts me.

I had a girl tell me last night "I'm not going to your room. I'm not going to have sex with you".

So I'm thinking "yea yea, right... we will see about that".

Then I get her to my room and she gives me so much resistance, it was like Russia vs Nazi Germany during WWII - the battle for Stalingrad. It was EPIC. I was much impressed by her trench warfare tactics but I was putting one hell of a fight too, it went on for at least two hours. I NEVER get resistance, usually when I get a girl into my room we're fucking in about 10 seconds. So I just couldn't figure out what the problem was and how to deal with it.

So I gave up and was about to fall asleep when she revealed her cards - she pulled a "red flag defense" move on me - turns out she was on her period.

I was thinking "wow..... that explains everything".

But then I kept beating myself for not listening to her earlier. She DID tell me "I'm not going to sleep with you". But we all know that 95% of the time - that's bullshit.

I want to NEVER spend more than 20 minutes on a girl unless she is serious about fucking me THAT NIGHT. Not that night? Fine - number close and move on. LIFE IS TOO SHORT.

I'm very sexual and always screen early, but how can one know if a "no" is really a no or just a bullshit no? If I'd always listen to girls who tell me that they won't fuck me - I wouldn't bang half the girls I did. What is YOUR best way of knowing if to engage or eject?

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Usually when a girl says "i am not gonna have sex with you" means i am thinking of having sex with you, shit test, Once i took a girl to a motel, and she was giving me resistance, but the body language reads where incongruent, then i kept pushing and pushing, she told me she had her period, i thought it was a shit test, so i made her show me the tampon..... She was right...

@Slipps:

Rape: Forcing a sexual encounter Usually with a weapon involve, or physical forcefulness..

Resistance: sometimes shit test(women want to see if you are man enough and not full of shit), and/or she does not want to look like a slut... USUALLY NO PHYSICAL FORCEFULNESS INVOLVED OR WEAPON..

Lets stop throwing the rape word around, is no joke... Resistance and Rape have NOTHING and i mean NOTHING to do with each other...

Accept the "No" as a "No". It is a fundamental human right to be able to turn down sex at any time. People who fuck girls when the girls say "no" are rapists. Pure and simple, they had sex with a person who had removed their consent, no "she was dressed slutty", "she shouldn't have come to my room".. that behaviour is wrong full stop.

"When a girl says no she means yes" is probably one of the most dangerous beliefs that is seen on these forums.

Your job as a PUA is to make her say "yes", not to ignore her desires.

Author:	phangan [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:02 am ]
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I had a girl tell me last night "I'm not going to your room. I'm not going to have sex with you". So I'm thinking "yea yea, right... we will see about that". Then I get her to my room and she gives me so much resistance, it was like Russia vs Nazi Germany during WWII - the battle for Stalingrad. It was EPIC. I was much impressed by her trench warfare tactics but I was putting one hell of a fight too, it went on for at least two hours. I NEVER get resistance, usually when I get a girl into my room we're fucking in about 10 seconds. So I just couldn't figure out what the problem was and how to deal with it. So I gave up and was about to fall asleep when she revealed her cards - she pulled a "red flag defense" move on me - turns out she was on her period. I was thinking "wow..... that explains everything". But then I kept beating myself for not listening to her earlier. She DID tell me "I'm not going to sleep with you". But we all know that 95% of the time - that's bullshit. I want to NEVER spend more than 20 minutes on a girl unless she is serious about fucking me THAT NIGHT. Not that night? Fine - number close and move on. LIFE IS TOO SHORT. I'm very sexual and always screen early, but how can one know if a "no" is really a no or just a bullshit no? If I'd always listen to girls who tell me that they won't fuck me - I wouldn't bang half the girls I did. What is YOUR best way of knowing if to engage or eject?

Author:	Zepter [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:48 pm ]
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hahahahahahah! get that too sometimes. they really put up a fight! lol. fact is, you can never take what girls say at face value. however, usually if it's really her period she's going to say that straight up. and even then, there were times i still went for it. i won't recommend doing that though.

Author:	phangan [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:51 pm ]
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I once lost a bang because the girl was not shaven. She shaved the next day and wanted to meet, but I was not interested already. I hate losing lays for bullshit like that. And I went thru hell to get the girl into the hotel room, had to pay 30 Euro and had a fight with security. Such a fight - that today in the morning they woke me up with a phone call to "come down to the deception to discuss your behavior".

Author:	TheSeagull [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:54 pm ]
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lots of cool stuff you can do even if she has her period

Author:	Pickwick [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:16 pm ]
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What are showers for?

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Author:	phangan [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:35 pm ]
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Honestly it disgusts me. So at first this hotel didn't let me bring in the girl last night, then they forced me to pay 30 Euro. I was screaming at them for 15 minutes, then today they woke me up to "discuss" my behavior so I went down and screamed some more. The girls at the reception didn't expect a good looking young guy. Anyway: I asked a guy who works for me to open 50 trip advisor accounts. I'm having this happen to me too many times, hotels fucking with me, and I'm going to fight back. I'm going to sink the rating of this place from #1 in town to #50. I don't have time for this shit but my programmer does.

Author:	TheSeagull [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:39 pm ]
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Quote: Honestly it disgusts me. sex on the period can be "weird".. I would not go for it with a ONS.. but she could still play with herself and give you head/hand.. a long night of make-out/foreplay is also an option.. and a f-close once she is done with bleeding

Author:	Slipps [ Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Better screening for SNL? The battle for Stalingrad
Quote: I had a girl tell me last night "I'm not going to your room. I'm not going to have sex with you". So I'm thinking "yea yea, right... we will see about that". Then I get her to my room and she gives me so much resistance, it was like Russia vs Nazi Germany during WWII - the battle for Stalingrad. It was EPIC. I was much impressed by her trench warfare tactics but I was putting one hell of a fight too, it went on for at least two hours. I NEVER get resistance, usually when I get a girl into my room we're fucking in about 10 seconds. So I just couldn't figure out what the problem was and how to deal with it. So I gave up and was about to fall asleep when she revealed her cards - she pulled a "red flag defense" move on me - turns out she was on her period. I was thinking "wow..... that explains everything". But then I kept beating myself for not listening to her earlier. She DID tell me "I'm not going to sleep with you". But we all know that 95% of the time - that's bullshit. I want to NEVER spend more than 20 minutes on a girl unless she is serious about fucking me THAT NIGHT. Not that night? Fine - number close and move on. LIFE IS TOO SHORT. I'm very sexual and always screen early, but how can one know if a "no" is really a no or just a bullshit no? If I'd always listen to girls who tell me that they won't fuck me - I wouldn't bang half the girls I did. What is YOUR best way of knowing if to engage or eject? Accept the "No" as a "No". It is a fundamental human right to be able to turn down sex at any time. People who fuck girls when the girls say "no" are rapists. Pure and simple, they had sex with a person who had removed their consent, no "she was dressed slutty", "she shouldn't have come to my room".. that behaviour is wrong full stop. "When a girl says no she means yes" is probably one of the most dangerous beliefs that is seen on these forums. Your job as a PUA is to make her say "yes", not to ignore her desires.

Author:	skills360 [ Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Better screening for SNL? The battle for Stalingrad
Quote: I had a girl tell me last night "I'm not going to your room. I'm not going to have sex with you". So I'm thinking "yea yea, right... we will see about that". Then I get her to my room and she gives me so much resistance, it was like Russia vs Nazi Germany during WWII - the battle for Stalingrad. It was EPIC. I was much impressed by her trench warfare tactics but I was putting one hell of a fight too, it went on for at least two hours. I NEVER get resistance, usually when I get a girl into my room we're fucking in about 10 seconds. So I just couldn't figure out what the problem was and how to deal with it. So I gave up and was about to fall asleep when she revealed her cards - she pulled a "red flag defense" move on me - turns out she was on her period. I was thinking "wow..... that explains everything". But then I kept beating myself for not listening to her earlier. She DID tell me "I'm not going to sleep with you". But we all know that 95% of the time - that's bullshit. I want to NEVER spend more than 20 minutes on a girl unless she is serious about fucking me THAT NIGHT. Not that night? Fine - number close and move on. LIFE IS TOO SHORT. I'm very sexual and always screen early, but how can one know if a "no" is really a no or just a bullshit no? If I'd always listen to girls who tell me that they won't fuck me - I wouldn't bang half the girls I did. What is YOUR best way of knowing if to engage or eject? Usually when a girl says "i am not gonna have sex with you" means i am thinking of having sex with you, shit test, Once i took a girl to a motel, and she was giving me resistance, but the body language reads where incongruent, then i kept pushing and pushing, she told me she had her period, i thought it was a shit test, so i made her show me the tampon..... She was right... @Slipps: Rape: Forcing a sexual encounter Usually with a weapon involve, or physical forcefulness.. Resistance: sometimes shit test(women want to see if you are man enough and not full of shit), and/or she does not want to look like a slut... USUALLY NO PHYSICAL FORCEFULNESS INVOLVED OR WEAPON.. Lets stop throwing the rape word around, is no joke... Resistance and Rape have NOTHING and i mean NOTHING to do with each other...

Author:	Slipps [ Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:55 am ]
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Quote: Quote: I had a girl tell me last night "I'm not going to your room. I'm not going to have sex with you". So I'm thinking "yea yea, right... we will see about that". Then I get her to my room and she gives me so much resistance, it was like Russia vs Nazi Germany during WWII - the battle for Stalingrad. It was EPIC. I was much impressed by her trench warfare tactics but I was putting one hell of a fight too, it went on for at least two hours. I NEVER get resistance, usually when I get a girl into my room we're fucking in about 10 seconds. So I just couldn't figure out what the problem was and how to deal with it. So I gave up and was about to fall asleep when she revealed her cards - she pulled a "red flag defense" move on me - turns out she was on her period. I was thinking "wow..... that explains everything". But then I kept beating myself for not listening to her earlier. She DID tell me "I'm not going to sleep with you". But we all know that 95% of the time - that's bullshit. I want to NEVER spend more than 20 minutes on a girl unless she is serious about fucking me THAT NIGHT. Not that night? Fine - number close and move on. LIFE IS TOO SHORT. I'm very sexual and always screen early, but how can one know if a "no" is really a no or just a bullshit no? If I'd always listen to girls who tell me that they won't fuck me - I wouldn't bang half the girls I did. What is YOUR best way of knowing if to engage or eject? Usually when a girl says "i am not gonna have sex with you" means i am thinking of having sex with you, shit test, Once i took a girl to a motel, and she was giving me resistance, but the body language reads where incongruent, then i kept pushing and pushing, she told me she had her period, i thought it was a shit test, so i made her show me the tampon..... She was right... @Slipps: Rape: Forcing a sexual encounter Usually with a weapon involve, or physical forcefulness.. Resistance: sometimes shit test(women want to see if you are man enough and not full of shit), and/or she does not want to look like a slut... USUALLY NO PHYSICAL FORCEFULNESS INVOLVED OR WEAPON.. Lets stop throwing the rape word around, is no joke... Resistance and Rape have NOTHING and i mean NOTHING to do with each other... Rape comes in all kinds of forms and you don't need to use violence to rape someone you just have to... wait for it... have sex with someone who doesn't consent. Most rapist personally know their victims, use no weapon and leave no signs of physical harm. Rape is overwhelmingly NOT committed by a guy in a balaclava brandishing a hunting knife, but rather drunk fratboys who won't take no for an answer. This attitude that a woman can't truly tell a guy "I don't want to sleep with you" is the reason feminists have to hold rallies to get the message across that "NO MEANS FUCKING NO" Honestly if she says "No" just go "Okay" and continue doing what you're doing. If you do change her mind and she then wants to fuck, she'll let you know about it. People change their minds all the time. If a girl gives that statement in a very pre-emptive manner then I can see how that can be a sign that she is thinking of you sexually. But rejection is not an excuse to initiate a sexual assault (and no, you don't need to be violent to sexually assault someone.) Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "push on"?

Author:	phangan [ Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:28 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Better screening for SNL? The battle for Stalingrad
Quote: Accept the "No" as a "No". It is a fundamental human right to be able to turn down sex at any time. People who fuck girls when the girls say "no" are rapists. Pure and simple, they had sex with a person who had removed their consent, no "she was dressed slutty", "she shouldn't have come to my room".. that behaviour is wrong full stop. "When a girl says no she means yes" is probably one of the most dangerous beliefs that is seen on these forums. Your job as a PUA is to make her say "yes", not to ignore her desires. oh Jesus I don't have time for this bullshit.

Author:	TheSeagull [ Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:32 am ]
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there is "No" and then there is "No".. when you are pushing your GF to the bed and she is saying "no, you're naughty, I need to go to work, no no no" all the while moaning and making sure her legs are well spread open.. that is one no when a girl stands up and says "no I am gone" and walks away... that is a different no respect the latter. and enjoy the former. (it's definitely a turn-on)

Author:	sooc [ Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:23 am ]
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I agree with Slips. Although there are shit tests and stuff but there body language is obv they wanted to fuck. But keep argueing with them and complaining by sayhing "Come on" etc until they give in is just plain wrong. It might not be considered rape but it sure isn't right.

Author:	SexAddict911 [ Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:43 am ]
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Just for the record, it is very common for women to claim they are on their period when they really are not. It's generally women that lack the ability to resist men they are attracted to. Believe me when I tell you this, it is more common then you may think. I have seen it many times and talked to other women about it. They'll even wear a tampon. A great test to see if a woman is DTF that night is to put your hand on her ass while you kiss or hug if s lets you keep your hands on her ass, then transition one hand to rub her vagina just a quick touch in an upwards motion, if she hardly reacts or becomes more aroused and doesn't jump back it's generally a good DTF sign. If this type of contact is too forward, it's best to talk extremely sexual and even paint a picture of you two being intimate. If you pour it on heavy and she is still coming home with you, you should have a good shot at sealing the deal.

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Author:	Zepter [ Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:40 am ]
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someone that takes what women say (rather than what they do) at face value, just does not know women very well. women are not men. their minds work very differently to ours. also, cultural norms play an important role. what type of girl is she if she verbally consents to having sex with a stranger? this is the power of non verbal escalation. she's not a slut if you did'nt say you want to fuck her and she did'nt say yes. it just happened, right? in her mind it is. "it just happened". that's what you're aiming at. and many women will say that after a snl with someone they just met. it's their way of justifying what went on. needless to say, we all need to be very careful. bounderies get blurred and not everything is black and white. this is human interaction after all. rape is forced. sex is consentual. that is the divider (even legally speaking) and i think most men know the difference very well. and a girl that had a great time, went home with you, had multiple orgasms and gave you a kiss before she left is not thinking "rape". hahahahaha guess what, 90% of women will give you some form of resistance at every level of escalation. if you react to that in any way, you're already disqualified and the chances that you will NEVER have sex with her exponentially increase every time. at some point, no really means no. but most people know when that moment comes. but let's be clear, a girl is not coming to your place to watch a youtube video, trust me. unless she's mentally retarded, in which case anything you do will be considered as rape lol. it does not mean, she has comitted to having sex with you (and that would be stupid to think), but it means she has an intent to eventually do so. at this point you use your better judgement about what you can and can't do, and how far you can go. generally, if she's pushing you away and looks like she's not having a good time while saying "stop", is when you should just stop. but if you're waiting for her to say "yes" before you start undressing her, and your actually using the words "come on", i don't think your bed is seeing much action really.