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Author:  LyricalDream [ Wed May 09, 2012 10:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Do you need glasses or can't you read?
Hello everyone,

I think the title got your attention, now - it's pretty blunt to say that goggles are what you need or that you can't read. Cause if you couldn't, you wouldn't be here simply because the title wouldn't have gotten your attention in the first place. But nevermind that.

The title of this topic references to a general common problem that occupies todays young minds - it's called: common sense.
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common sense
n.
Sound judgment not based on specialized knowledge; native good judgment.
Now as we look into the definition of this word we will notice the following;
Not based on specialized knowledge.

Now, this still makes sense right? That you don't need to have a specific knowledge to do something that's normal, in other words you don't need to know something to say "Goodmorning" to your mother.

...

Okay good, you're still following me! Now let's continue!

As we take a look into the past, we can go way back and find out that the native population of the world (as if you can call it that) - in other words 'cavemen' weren't such good talkers. In fact, they hardly actually used words. They used combinations but without being too much into the explaining detail, the other person got what they were trying to say.

As we take a look to how communication is going right now, we can make out a CLEAR difference. That the way you communicate these days isn't logical anymore - it's gotten more techical. Literally speaking and figurly speaking.

What the FUCK is this moron saying?

Facebook, texting, iphone, e-mail, SPAM, communicator.. sounds pretty familiar right?

I'm betting 90% of everyone in here, spends more time 'communicating' through these kind of mediums then they actually do talking to people face to face. Even worse is, that some of you prolly get texts from their mom when dinner is ready.
Absurd, I call this. Where is the lack of logic, where is the common sense in here.

Now this was really literaly, but what is this figurly speaking?

HB, IOI, DTF, GTL, MM, NEG.. wait, this also sounds familiar?

The figurly speaking technical side of this all is that through the use of for example; these abbreviations, you're actually creating a bridge. Not only a bridge, but you're distancing yourself from civilization. You're putting yourself on an island where the inhabitants understand the same language and unfortunatly, those inhabitants are only those idiots that talk the same language.

Now - why the fuck am I posting this right now. . .

Because through using all of these bullshit terms, you're overcomplicating pretty much everything that there is to know about social dynamics. We don't NEED routines or tricks or pick up lines.

The only thing we need to be is SOCIAL, NOT SOCIALLY AWKWARD (Yeah, this is what you are right now. Socially awkward. You're on a forum, of which 97% of the subscribers is male and we're talking about seducing women.. sorry guys, but get back on track. . .

Now , do you need glasses or can't you read?

≠LD
Author:  titanman [ Wed May 09, 2012 11:40 pm ]
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If all we needed was to be social then why am I here? I've always been very social, but I never got any women at all. I was too needy.

Yes I would have got a women one day...but there would be few and far between. PUA has changed me.
Author:  Sly_Wolf [ Wed May 09, 2012 11:46 pm ]
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It's true that you can be succesful with women by just being social, but it's also proven that being a pua will also grant you success. Now a pua does not mean you are using canned material. I hate that people keep making that assumption. There are plenty of naturals who are PUAs. They just have an awareness of social dynamics. That's primarily what being a pua is.

Due to that awareness, you can isolate sticking points (pua language hehe) and work on them regardless of what method you use. You constantly improve yourself and you start to gain a sort of 6th sense on social dynamics because you understand body language better, facial expressions, tonality, patterns, mind games, etc.

Regular guys who have a good social life don't make it a priority to be great with women. What they have is usually good enough and they focus more on career goals, or activities, travel...

PUA abbreviations are used in order to explain things faster and systematically. If people are too focused on just reading into pua methods instead of actually experiencing life for themselves, don't blame the pua community for that. It was always meant to be 75% experience at least, and 26% material reading at the most.
Author:  DJ_Z [ Thu May 10, 2012 12:29 am ]
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I think LD's point has been missed, somewhat. It's not that pickup doesn't exist, or that it isn't some category of social interaction. Just drop the acronyms, the slang, and the idea that you're doing something way more complicated than talking to a woman. She's not a HB, she's a woman. They aren't IOIs, you two are flirting :P
Author:  P-Style [ Thu May 10, 2012 6:21 am ]
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Thank god that finally somebody adresses the problem.
There are far too much topics here that would not exist if the threadstarter would just stop two minutes to think like a normal person and would act like a normal person. All this fancy jibber jabber makes people forget it's no more than basic social interaction.
Author:  Slywalker [ Thu May 10, 2012 7:39 am ]
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If all we needed was to be social then why am I here? I've always been very social, but I never got any women at all. I was too needy.

Yes I would have got a women one day...but there would be few and far between. PUA has changed me.
Pick up is here to teach you how to improve yourself, not to become someone else. Trust me, everyone in this world could use some improvement in various areas, and pick up can help guys become better people. But it is when we can't control the new information we obtain that there is a risk to become someone else, an information hungry pick up robot, that only uses other peoples material, wants nothing but meaningless sex and will never fall in love, a person that completely forgot why they took out pick up in the first place.
I know this sounds really harsh but I have seen it happen too many times, thank you Lyrical Dream for posting about the topic
Author:  LyricalDream [ Thu May 10, 2012 11:01 am ]
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If all we needed was to be social then why am I here? I've always been very social, but I never got any women at all. I was too needy.
it's not WRONG that you are here, but moderate the time spent here. It's not a resort or anything like that.
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PUA has changed me.
Has it? It's not pick up that changed you, you changed yourself.
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I think LD's point has been missed, somewhat. It's not that pickup doesn't exist, or that it isn't some category of social interaction. Just drop the acronyms, the slang, and the idea that you're doing something way more complicated than talking to a woman. She's not a HB, she's a woman. They aren't IOIs, you two are flirting
Good breaking it down. Also, pick up DOESN'T exist. Just as "green" or "red" doesn't exist, if you get my point...
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Trust me, everyone in this world could use some improvement in various areas, and pick up can help guys become better people. But it is when we can't control the new information we obtain that there is a risk to become someone else, an information hungry pick up robot, that only uses other peoples material, wants nothing but meaningless sex and will never fall in love, a person that completely forgot why they took out pick up in the first place.
This is key.

~LD
Author:  titanman [ Thu May 10, 2012 11:56 am ]
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Has it? It's not pick up that changed you, you changed yourself.
I put the effort in to change, but without PUA I wouldn't have changed. So yes PUA changed me and I changed myself. Same thing.
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Pick up is here to teach you how to improve yourself, not to become someone else. Trust me, everyone in this world could use some improvement in various areas, and pick up can help guys become better people. But it is when we can't control the new information we obtain that there is a risk to become someone else, an information hungry pick up robot, that only uses other peoples material, wants nothing but meaningless sex and will never fall in love, a person that completely forgot why they took out pick up in the first place.
I know this sounds really harsh but I have seen it happen too many times, thank you Lyrical Dream for posting about the topic
Who said I became someone else? I fixed my flaws. Regarding your final point, read my signature. I got into PUA to find a partner.
Author:  Ezo [ Thu May 10, 2012 3:03 pm ]
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There is still a lot to learn from PU and yes thats why we study it. I have learned loads of stuff from the forum and from my time in field. But Id be lying if I said that I didnt use my common sense to sort out the good stuff from the BS.

Now common sense is a nice thing to have but as it comes easy to some, others dont have it. There are a lot of research going on nowadays about different types of social "diseases". There are people with social problems, who either have a "disease" mentally or biologically or simply were unlucky because of lack of practice or some other psychologically understimulating environment. Not being an asshole here, just saying that people are different.

Of course this is not fully classified yet and people can be on different parts of the seriousness scale. Some people just have difficulties to immediately pick up subtle signals while others are as bad as Sheldon in the Big Bang theory.

Now, there are some differences in how these people can be helped by PU. Most of the people here just needs practice, I used to be socially awkward too and shy and geeky and ridiculous but with some in field time, I got my skills up to where they should have been all along. Other people have problems with confidence and that can be built by experience too (Ok I had that problem too).
Now others do lack the ability to read others like bodylanguage and stuff, they could benefit from experience too. They can learn what to look for and that will help them intellectually compensate for what their instincts deny them.

Now it doesnt mean that anyone is better or worse than anybody else, it only means that common sense isnt as readily available to everyone on the forum.

Just some food for thought, otherwise I agree with you man, if people have common sense, they should use it.
Author:  Shyler [ Thu May 10, 2012 4:21 pm ]
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Well said Ezo!
Author:  Slywalker [ Thu May 10, 2012 8:59 pm ]
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Has it? It's not pick up that changed you, you changed yourself.
I put the effort in to change, but without PUA I wouldn't have changed. So yes PUA changed me and I changed myself. Same thing.
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Pick up is here to teach you how to improve yourself, not to become someone else. Trust me, everyone in this world could use some improvement in various areas, and pick up can help guys become better people. But it is when we can't control the new information we obtain that there is a risk to become someone else, an information hungry pick up robot, that only uses other peoples material, wants nothing but meaningless sex and will never fall in love, a person that completely forgot why they took out pick up in the first place.
I know this sounds really harsh but I have seen it happen too many times, thank you Lyrical Dream for posting about the topic
Who said I became someone else? I fixed my flaws. Regarding your final point, read my signature. I got into PUA to find a partner.
I didn't, I am just telling you to watch out, and PUA hasn't changed you, YOU have changed YOU. See my point?
PUA is just a fun self help program, don't take it too seriously
Author:  titanman [ Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 pm ]
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I still don't really see the difference between it. PUA did change me, without it I wouldn't have put the effort in to change. So I changed me but thanks to PUA. I think I kind of see what you're getting at, if you mean that I changed me for me, then yes that's true. I didn't change for PUA or become something PUA said I should.

We'll agree to disagree. :lol:

But to anyone else reading this, do make sure you be yourself. The importance of it is underrated. At first it can be hard to not think about what that guy with the hot girlfriend does, dresses like etc. You think (or I used to anyway) he has got it all right to get the HB, but really he's just himself.
Author:  Sly_Wolf [ Fri May 11, 2012 2:16 am ]
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If being yourself was enough, this forum and many alike would not exist, I assure you of that. If you want to be happy, get women and live a successful life then you gotta be your best self, and your best self constantly improves with time.

It may seem like I'm doing wordplay, however, the saying to be yourself and being your best self makes all the difference.

Being a PUA is an aid to that goal because it challenges you in the most ways a man can be challenged to be their best self. It makes you get out of your comfort zone, improves your body language, tonality, your health, your identity, insecurities, social dynamics, your mental state, intuition, careers, passions, etc....I can keep going.

I am not the best Pua and I still have so much to learn and experience, but I am damn proud of being an aspiring Pick up artist, and opposing opinions cannot phase me because my self-identity is too strong for that (something many people should work on).
Author:  Zepter [ Fri May 11, 2012 1:44 pm ]
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There is still a lot to learn from PU and yes thats why we study it. I have learned loads of stuff from the forum and from my time in field. But Id be lying if I said that I didnt use my common sense to sort out the good stuff from the BS.

Now common sense is a nice thing to have but as it comes easy to some, others dont have it. There are a lot of research going on nowadays about different types of social "diseases". There are people with social problems, who either have a "disease" mentally or biologically or simply were unlucky because of lack of practice or some other psychologically understimulating environment. Not being an asshole here, just saying that people are different.

Of course this is not fully classified yet and people can be on different parts of the seriousness scale. Some people just have difficulties to immediately pick up subtle signals while others are as bad as Sheldon in the Big Bang theory.

Now, there are some differences in how these people can be helped by PU. Most of the people here just needs practice, I used to be socially awkward too and shy and geeky and ridiculous but with some in field time, I got my skills up to where they should have been all along. Other people have problems with confidence and that can be built by experience too (Ok I had that problem too).
Now others do lack the ability to read others like bodylanguage and stuff, they could benefit from experience too. They can learn what to look for and that will help them intellectually compensate for what their instincts deny them.

Now it doesnt mean that anyone is better or worse than anybody else, it only means that common sense isnt as readily available to everyone on the forum.

Just some food for thought, otherwise I agree with you man, if people have common sense, they should use it.
i second that.
Author:  LyricalDream [ Mon May 14, 2012 9:23 am ]
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I still don't really see the difference between it. PUA did change me, without it I wouldn't have put the effort in to change. So I changed me but thanks to PUA.
So what you are saying right now is:

There is only 1 way to Rome?

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Now it doesnt mean that anyone is better or worse than anybody else, it only means that common sense isnt as readily available to everyone on the forum.
I agree with everything you putted in your post, however this rule I don't. Because of the simple fact that it always has been available to you, the only thing that's different is that NOW you're able to acknowledge that to yourself.
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I am not the best Pua and I still have so much to learn and experience, but I am damn proud of being an aspiring Pick up artist


Change this "PUA" to "real man" and you'll be fine ;-) Good luck on the road to freedom.

~LD
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