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Does PUA techniques work? A controlled experiment
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Author:  Fratguysargesbest [ Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Does PUA techniques work? A controlled experiment
I plan to design a controlled experiment to find out about merits of PUA material with the help of my girlfriend, who studies social science.

Phase 1

Have a pool of undergraduate class, 20 men are randomly selected for the PUA pool, and another 20 men are randomly selected for the non-PUA pool, we are not going to control for dating experience, etc because that ruins the statistic.

Now, the PUA pool is given two days to study the PUA material from gurus of the community but nothing else

The non-PUA pool is given nothing

On the night of the experiment, a larger club is selected by random, 4 men from non-PUA pool and 4 men from PUA pool are forced to pick up as many women as possible. The experiment will run for 5 nights.

Any inputs? If done right, I can potentially get school to buy me drinks with research fund.
Author:  JSmooth [ Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:46 pm ]
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I can see your control and your variable for you experiment, but realize pick up arts aren't learned in a single day. Most of the beginning PUAs have to get over AA to become more successful. It takes time to start to become successful. Although many people have success on the first night it's rare. It's something that you learn through repetition. It's not an instant dating cure.

How often are you going to repeat this experiment with the same subjects. Over time the PUAs should learn from their experiences and become better in the field. As such the non-PUAs will learn too but probably not as quickly. It also depends on how each individual applies himself/herself and what they want to get out of it.

Also the venue will need to be target rich, meaning, look for a place that has a ladies night that is popular. That's typically a good place to start. If you have 8 guys approaching the same 5 sets it won't work out too well.

There are many personal subject variables you will have to sort through in addition to environmental. For example most starting PUAs face Approach Anxiety which we discussed previously, some also just take time learning something new, it helps to practice before going in the field but real life experience is what makes you better. I'm better now after some 18 in field experiences than I was on Day 1.

This is a life changing decision, and not to be taken lightly.
Author:  L.A. Tripp [ Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:22 pm ]
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Fratguy, I understand that you are trying to "scientifcally prove or disprove" whether PUA works or not.

But, as jsmooth pointed out, there are MANY factors that will NOT be evident in this "experiment" you've designed. You REALLY want to find out if this stuff works? Do two things. Talk to guys that are experienced, AND do it YOURSELF.

For all you know, in the non group there would be naturals, and in the other group there would be guys that will take a few months to break free of their AA.

Again, talk to guys that are experienced and do the work yourself too. See first hand. That's the ONLY thing will quench your skepticism.

If your g/f truly studies social science, she will be very interested in reading the PUG's materials anyway, because it's ALL ABOUT social dynamics. With, or w/o the experiment.
Author:  Muse [ Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:38 pm ]
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Here's what this sounds like to me:

Take forty guys who have never played guitar before in their lives. Give twenty of them a music theory book to study for 48 hours and tell them when the time is up they have to come up with a solo that sounds like something Slash would play.

Give the other twenty nothing, and tell them in 48 hours they have to come up with a similar solo.

You'll have some guys who have talent, and pick things up rather easily, some who have no idea what to do, some who are afraid to play in front of other people, and still more that can't even coordinate their hands to play two notes in a row.

You see? Learning the Pick Up Arts, in my opinion, is a lot like learning to play guitar. At first it's pretty hard, and everyone is starting from a different level of natural talent. Forcing someone to perform anything beyond the attraction phase after only 48 hours of reading is like asking someone to play a rock show two days after theyve bought their first guitar! They still haven't even gotten over how shiny and new it looks, let alone play Van Halen songs. haha.

The point boiled down to it's most simple terms: Change is a process, not an overnight miracle!
Author:  JSmooth [ Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:44 pm ]
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You see? Learning the Pick Up Arts, in my opinion, is a lot like learning to play guitar. At first it's pretty hard, and everyone is starting from a different level of natural talent. Forcing someone to perform anything beyond the attraction phase after only 48 hours of reading is like asking someone to play a rock show two days after theyve bought their first guitar! They still haven't even gotten over how shiny and new it looks, let alone play Van Halen songs. haha.

The point boiled down to it's most simple terms: Change is a process, not an overnight miracle!
I was going to say it's like dieting! Like Muse said, results vary by the individual. What works for some doesn't work for others. Plus how do you score someone who goes home with a chick versus someone who gets a number. Or for that matter someone who gets a phone number and F-Closes her two days later? It's very hard to measure!
Author:  Xfiend [ Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PUA techniques work? A controlled experiment
Quote:
I plan to design a controlled experiment to find out about merits of PUA material with the help of my girlfriend, who studies social science.

Phase 1

Have a pool of undergraduate class, 20 men are randomly selected for the PUA pool, and another 20 men are randomly selected for the non-PUA pool, we are not going to control for dating experience, etc because that ruins the statistic.

Now, the PUA pool is given two days to study the PUA material from gurus of the community but nothing else

The non-PUA pool is given nothing

On the night of the experiment, a larger club is selected by random, 4 men from non-PUA pool and 4 men from PUA pool are forced to pick up as many women as possible. The experiment will run for 5 nights.

Any inputs? If done right, I can potentially get school to buy me drinks with research fund.
how about this experiment... go find a guru, and without telling your girlfriend about the little experiment, let him sarg her... she can tell you if its for real or not the next morning... :roll:

with a little help, the school may buy the condoms.

I don't understand your resistance to this. Some men can pick up wood hammer and nails, and build a bird house... others need directions... PU is the same thing
Author:  L.A. Tripp [ Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PUA techniques work? A controlled experiment
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how about this experiment... go find a guru, and without telling your girlfriend about the little experiment, let him sarg her... she can tell you if its for real or not the next morning... :roll:
LOL, I like that one.
Author:  Fratguysargesbest [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PUA techniques work? A controlled experiment
the PUA idealogy calls for men to go out there and repeatly talk to women. Perhaps that, give them the edge rather than the specific techiques called for? As you can see, in my experiment, I purposefully try to control for this kind of disparity in experience.

Just because you feel better after taking a tylenol when you have common cold, does not mean tylenol cure common cold.

As of the guru comment, you seem to believe that the PUA skill can trenscend ethnics, love, or even wealth. I would like to see those gurus try to pick up wives of any upper middle class men who have been paying reasonable attention to their wives. I would gladly to buy them their condoms.
Author:  JSmooth [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does PUA techniques work? A controlled experiment
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As of the guru comment, you seem to believe that the PUA skill can trenscend ethnics, love, or even wealth. I would like to see those gurus try to pick up wives of any upper middle class men who have been paying reasonable attention to their wives. I would gladly to buy them their condoms.
It's been done!
Author:  Starbuck [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:37 am ]
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frat, self improvement is never a bad thing.

Sprinkled in with a healthy dose of common sense, and judgment.

Like I've said before, the modern PUA movement is not breaking any new ground here. It's all been done before.

This is simply an educational resource now available to guys that either don't come by it naturally, or who don't want to wait until they're 40 or later to acquire enough experience by trial and error and by learning the hard way.

Ethics, love, and wealth are a part of relationships as well, and are not mutually exclusive in achieving this goal of self improvement.

Think of it this way. If you became a soldier tomorrow, would you think it kind of odd that we didn't train you prior to you going into combat? And who would you expect to perform better in an environment where the winner takes all? The untrained combatant, or the highly trained soldier?
Author:  L.A. Tripp [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:00 am ]
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Frat, what guy doesn't go out and repeatedly talk to women?
Author:  Aceospades12 [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:38 pm ]
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fratguy

not to be a dick

but from a scientific stand-point, this experiment is rubbish - way too many variables

if u want real experiment ideas that could hold up to your research board, pm me
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