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| Author: | Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:28 am ] |
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Whether you're worried about: - getting through those first few (sometimes awkward) moments in a daygame set - keeping the conversation running smoothly during a date, or - you want to be able to easily connect with that interviewer, potential client, boss or other work colleague There's a couple of simple techniques that natural conversationalists use, and you can learn! 1. Multi-threading We've all had that awful experience where we're asking simple, rapport seeking questions, getting one-word answers, and having to quickly think up a new question to keep things moving. Or, you do connect on something, maybe even get her laughing, but then once the laughter has died down, you're stuck because you have to find something else to say quickly! Multi-threading avoids those awkward situations by always making sure there's something to say. Every conversational topic is a thread. The idea is, rather than taking a thread all the way to its conclusion before starting the next one, try to bring new threads out of one first. For example, let's say you have a funny story about yourself and a friend. Single / linear threading would be to just tell the story, get the laugh, and then think of something else. Multi-threading would be as follows: start the story first, but since it's about a friend, start describing them. Then that opens up he possibility of a other story about them that perfectly describes their character. Then you can maybe ask her if she knows anyone like that. That opens up the possibility of a story from her. If not, or if that ends, you go back to your friend, then go back to the story. The story happens in a certain place - has she ever been there? If not, back to the story. After the punch line, has anything like that ever happened to her? That turns a 2-3 minute anecdote into seeding material for maybe 5-10 minutes of conversation, with lots of possible threads to open, threads out of those, and especially threads of hers. 2. Generalising This one is huge for learning how to connect with anyone, regardless of if you share their interests or agree with them or not. A lot of the time, you hope for a moment where you and her discover a shared interest so that the conversation naturally flows from that - often people spend a lot of time trying to discover mutual friends or acquaintances, just so they'll have even the smallest commonality to talk about. But what if there isn't anything immediately coming up? Rather than keeping asking "rapport seeking" questions, try this: Let's say it comes up that she's an avid stamp collector (unlikely but that's not the point!). Now, I have no interest in this. I could just make fun of her a bit and then move on, but I could actually do better. Instead, I could ask WHY. Asking the reason gets to the motivation behind her passions. She might say because she really likes putting things in order, and is also a bit of a neat freak. Ok, now I can relate at one level of generalisation above the specific activity - I used to DJ and loved collecting old records, and I was particularly anal about organising my music. Now we've connected on the "bit of a nerd / organising" level, and I've told her a bit about myself which can lead to discussion about music, other nerdy things, etc. So, next time you're stretching to relate to someone, figure out their base motivations, and it's more likely you'll be able to connect at the general level, before discussing the specifics, which can lead to further discussions which you can then even multi-thread! |
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| Author: | zebraG [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:50 am ] |
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Would it be accurate to say that point 1 only applies in one on one conversation and not talking to a group? |
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| Author: | Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:43 pm ] |
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Quote: Would it be accurate to say that point 1 only applies in one on one conversation and not talking to a group?
Not at all.Here's a great example of comedian Ron White using multi-threading to link two stories together to enhance the punchline of the first - he's talking to a large room full of people! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neUaSTSKFZc Now, you don't have to just tell 2 stories about yourself. You can throw it open to the group and say "has any of you ever gotten in trouble with the police for something random or stupid?" Maybe someone has something to say. They can tell theirs, then maybe something comes out of that, if not you can go right back to where you left off in your story, and so forth. |
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| Author: | zebraG [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:22 pm ] |
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Argh! Can't stand American comedians. I know what you mean about linking the stories together when you put it like that though. Because of the way my mind works, I really need to try to stick to one train of thought at a time though or else I'm way too easily distracted. You've probably seen it in Sasha; 13 different lanes of thought going on at once. This means he can always pull funny off at least one of the lanes. Occasionally however, the lane markings vanish with the concentration and there's an almighty pile up of thoughts that stops everything. I'll try to give what you said a go though; sounds interesting. |
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| Author: | 7000 [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:29 am ] |
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Good stuff. I think a lot of comedians do number 1. A whole set could be about one story, but they'll stop to tell side stories and laugh at other things within that story, and then return back to the main thread of the story once they've run out of material down the new thread. It's something that I have been trying to develop a lot recently, and is good to see it laid out here in more detail. Point 2 - not sure about the tag "generalisation", but again, it's good advice. The thing with that, is that you're not really being general at all. You're actually getting to the core of what makes the woman tick a lot quicker than any discussion about the actual activity. You both collect stamps? So you talk about the sort of stamps you've got, your favourite stamp, the oldest one she's got in her collection, one you really want or whatever. You can spend half an hour talking about an activity you've got in common - score right?! Well, maybe, but at the end of it, you only really know that she likes stamps. Now, if you've managed to find out the reasons she collects stamps, the mental side of things, you know a lot more about her as a person, rather than just the "surface" activity that she does. That's the best way of creating rapport in my opinion; connecting on a personal level around morals and personality. |
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| Author: | Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:42 pm ] |
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Quote: Good stuff. I think a lot of comedians do number 1. A whole set could be about one story, but they'll stop to tell side stories and laugh at other things within that story, and then return back to the main thread of the story once they've run out of material down the new thread. It's something that I have been trying to develop a lot recently, and is good to see it laid out here in more detail.
Glad you like it!Point 2 - not sure about the tag "generalisation", but again, it's good advice. The thing with that, is that you're not really being general at all. You're actually getting to the core of what makes the woman tick a lot quicker than any discussion about the actual activity. You both collect stamps? So you talk about the sort of stamps you've got, your favourite stamp, the oldest one she's got in her collection, one you really want or whatever. You can spend half an hour talking about an activity you've got in common - score right?! Well, maybe, but at the end of it, you only really know that she likes stamps. Now, if you've managed to find out the reasons she collects stamps, the mental side of things, you know a lot more about her as a person, rather than just the "surface" activity that she does. That's the best way of creating rapport in my opinion; connecting on a personal level around morals and personality. Yeah I realised I didn't have a name for what I termed "generalising" so I just put something relatively short and simple. You're absolutely right that it's all about getting to those base levels of motivation, desire, goals, and emotions in order to really connect with someone and develop what some term "deep rapport." What I mean about "generalising" is the idea that the particular activity (e.g. stamp collecting) is the specific, and we move one level of generalisation upwards to get to "putting things in order," which is the general (and to which stamp collecting is a specific instantiation). We can move one level up by asking WHY order is so important, to which she might reply that putting things in order makes her feel satisfied. Then we've moved up to the even more general level of "things that makes us feel satisfied," at which point there are even more conversational options - something that makes you feel satisfied, what ELSE makes her feel satisfied? And lo and behold, as well as connecting on a deep level, we've also just turned the conversation sexual! |
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| Author: | Ali540 [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:55 am ] |
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tried multi threading two hours after reading this with hb 9 (talk about lucky circumstances). worked extremely well-i was threading between convo topics while running the cube, which enabled me to set myself up for tons of stories after it was over. Stories from the cube = connecting with perceived attributes of her own. Therefore, +++ rapport easily. |
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| Author: | kasabi [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Useful Conversational Techniques |
Quote: - you want to be able to easily connect with that interviewer, potential client, boss or other work colleague.
"Connection" is a goal but the dynamics of a conversation is usually very different between client, boss, colleague, or a girl who's going to suck your cock tonight. Just to add to Ryan's message. . . To me any ways . . . in an inefficient boss-employee relationship, the boss yaps 80% of the time telling the employee to do this and that while the employee nods yes, yes, yes. If you've ever worked for a company like this with a boss like this then you know you're not thrilled with this shit. In a well functioning relationship, the employee yaps 80% of the time offering reports, progress, ideas, and plans while the boss offers guidance and assistance to help the employee tackle his next set of tasks. This is what we should be aiming for when conversing with chicks for the first time. (You being boss) Both ideas for conversations in the OP are great but the 'spirit' of the second idea is better. Conversations are seldom naturally 50/50 in terms of speaking time. In every new relationship, it's the person who yelps MORE who wants MORE from the person in front of them. Make it her idea to want YOU. A good imagery to keep in mind is the winter sport of "curling" . . . and SHE'S the stone. You are responsible for the initial PUSH to get this interaction going. When she gets going . .. just let her be. But just like the sport, you go in front of the stone and use the broom to "guide" her along in the direction that YOU desire. You really don't have to say much. Women love to yap so let them. But if you let them be 100%, you'll soon be chatting about the latest handbags from Gucci and her gay hairdresser's new poodle. Use Ryan's #2 advice to 'core' down to your agenda or use the #1 advice to 'thread' into your own agenda. Either way, let her do the chatting. Figure this out and she'll be talking about sucking cock and it'll all be her idea in the first place. *Of course all of this is assuming that we're chatting with the average chick. If you're up against a total introvert, you'd have to adjust. Sorry for hijacking your thread. . . just one more thing. Conversing in a club or a bar ≠ a board meeting or a sales pitch to your client. We go to night clubs and bars to GET AWAY from that shit. No matter what it is that you do, down play it. (If you're a low level worker, it doesn't matter any how. If you're a hot shot big earner, it's just gloating and work related. If she's a hot shot earner, she's tired of work talk. If she's a low level worker, she's got nothing to say.) Guide all discussions towards fun, fantasy, sex, and real life meetings to accomplish all of this. |
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| Author: | Cool_Face [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:19 am ] |
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Very useful. I realised that I do this all the time. Now to refine my skills. |
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| Author: | Algorythm [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:40 am ] |
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Gold |
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