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Author:  $uave [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:21 pm ]
Post subject:  WHY C&F is CRAP.
1)It makes you come across as weirdo.
2)even if girl sticks with you you're probably gonna be a weird friend
3)kills attraction instead of creating it
4)honesty + playfulness works much better than a witty line in creating attraction
5)It makes you think that the girl is attracted to you, when she's being polite/thinks you're a weirdo
6)makes you come across as a jerk.
7)makes you look try-hard
Author:  Efildrah [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:46 pm ]
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Somehow i agree with this...I was never good with C&F because i like complimenting people and trying to find the best in them while interaction. So i never believed in this...but that is originally Mystery's method , and Mystery was in a kind of ,,fight'' in the begging (He found the way to seduce after 7 years of trying, and as the book says never found his ,,true'' love...)

It is effective yes, but i know i dislike this and i won't import it in my style.
I completely understand you mate , thanks for this post it helped me realize where my relationship with people around me is going :) Wish you success in life :)
Author:  MynameisFisher [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:25 pm ]
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I don't agree. You just need calibration. I use it all the time and it's gold. You probably don't understand how to do it, or I don't know but you shouldn't say something like that to any method.

All approaches are different in some ways but most of them works really well, it just differs from person to person which is the appropriate. I don't see what's weird with being flirty, because that's what C&F is about.

It's not about "witty lines", and I don't find any dishonesty in it, while I can't think about how would you argue about its playfulness. Have you read the actual book on C&F? If I remember correctly it even states that being playful is important.
Author:  J Slay [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:41 pm ]
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Yo SMILEY

I wont even try to argue, bc its not worth my time. I routinely pull girls BECAUSE i am cocky and funny.

Here is a very recent thread about cocky funny in the pua lounge

i-have-honestly-never-seen-c-f-working- ... highlight=

My dynamic is cocky funny, natural, 60yoc and dance game.

You must have different a different personality than me, OR your inner game still needs work. ^read tha thread, it discussed that aspect of cocky funny

Different techniques work for different people bro.

J Slay
Author:  Ezo [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:27 pm ]
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Cocky and funny...

Something that everybody claim to use but if you take any two given PUAs they will do it differently.

For me it is equal to confident flufftalk in a humorous way...

Basically, it can be anything you want it to be, hence it is not a technique but some kind of orphanarium for techniques that didnt make it into any other family.

So, yes, it can suck or it can be awesome, depends on the guy doing it.
Author:  kitsch [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:45 pm ]
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C&F is such a vague thing that I would have to say that if it doesn't work, then you're just not doing it right.

I don't think its a very useful thing to learn since its so vague and its much better to hone specific parts of your conversational skills then end up with your own "cocky funny" personality, but it does exist and it does work.
Author:  DJ_Z [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:24 pm ]
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It was typed in all caps, it must be true.
Author:  mattflow [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:58 pm ]
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Cocky funny can be bad for some guys,one of the worst examples for me was last weekend I met a dude who came accross as an arrogant smartarse didnt even introduce himself, the result was i calmly asked if he wanted to be punched in the face then after he cleared things by explaining he was just doing his cocky funny thing he proceeded to make fun of and laugh at the people that were walking past..
too much trying for that dude, need to turn it off at times save it for the vagina if it works for you..
Author:  Breaking Bad [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: WHY C&F is CRAP.
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1)It makes you come across as weirdo.
2)even if girl sticks with you you're probably gonna be a weird friend
3)kills attraction instead of creating it
4)honesty + playfulness works much better than a witty line in creating attraction
5)It makes you think that the girl is attracted to you, when she's being polite/thinks you're a weirdo
6)makes you come across as a jerk.
7)makes you look try-hard
^

OP, replace all the YOU's with ME in this post and maybe it you'll realise you shouldnt have even bothered posting this because you're just embarrassing yourself.

/thread
Author:  $uave [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:26 am ]
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to all of you saying, that C&F doesn't work is my experience with it-you're correct.

The funny thing is, that till recently, I thought C&F was helping me. It wasn't until the day of this post that I realized that it was C&F that was hurting my success.

to Ezo.

C&F in my definition.

Over-confident(to the level of arrogance-i.e. COCKY) and trying to pass it as funny. As far as confidence goes-being honest and speaking with good voice projection displays confidence. You can be funny, you can be serious, you can say a compliment, but you don't get to the level you're considered cocky. Being cocky either makes you come across as a jerk or a try-hard(depending on how convincing you're at it).Also, being honest about your intention + assuming success gets all of the benefits that being cocky can bring, while you aren't being an asshole.

To the guy who asked if I read the C&F book-no, but I have seen David D DVDs where he goes into explaining it and also has bunch of other guest speakers explaining it.
Author:  Breaking Bad [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:30 am ]
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C&F in my definition.

Over-confident(to the level of arrogance-i.e. COCKY) and trying to pass it as funny. As far as confidence goes-being honest and speaking with good voice projection displays confidence. You can be funny, you can be serious, you can say a compliment, but you don't get to the level you might consider cocky. Being cocky either makes you come across as a jerk or a try-hard(depending on how convincing you're at it).Also, being honest about your intention + assuming success gets all of the benefits that being cocky can bring, while you aren't being an asshole.
you are correct!

oh, but my definition of correct means incorrect.
Author:  jurupa [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:21 am ]
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to all of you saying, that C&F doesn't work is my experience with it-you're correct.
Sounds like either you are doing it wrong, or C&F isn't for you as it doesn't fit who you are. C&F works, but only when it fits your personality. All of the things you lists as to why its crap are totally wrong.
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Over-confident(to the level of arrogance-i.e. COCKY) and trying to pass it as funny.
Being cocky and arrogant are two different things.
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As far as confidence goes-being honest and speaking with good voice projection displays confidence.
So does doing a million other things, one of which is being cocky and funny.
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Also, being honest about your intention + assuming success gets all of the benefits that being cocky can bring, while you aren't being an asshole.
Why do you think being cocky and funny is being an asshole or a jerk or what have you? Because its none of that. Being cocky and funny comes in loads of flavors just like comedians. Saying that being cocky and funny ISN'T for everyone. Not everyone can pull it off. I do it as it fits my personality and who I am as a person. I never once had any problems with it and girls find me funny.
Author:  $uave [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:44 am ]
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So does doing a million other things, one of which is being cocky and funny.
yeah but C&F makes you come across like a jerk while others don't.
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Why do you think being cocky and funny is being an asshole or a jerk or what have you? Because its none of that. Being cocky and funny comes in loads of flavors just like comedians. Saying that being cocky and funny ISN'T for everyone. Not everyone can pull it off. I do it as it fits my personality and who I am as a person. I never once had any problems with it and girls find me funny.
idk what you're talking about. I'm talking about C&F. The thing that David D introduced to PU. I don't care about your INTERPRETATION of C&F. 1000 people-1000 interpretation and 1000 ways to call it. I'm talking about original C&F presented by David D and his speakers. Watch them. Tell me after that that they're not being assholes. Tell me they're not being mean for no reason. Sometimes they're just being plain dumb.

An example out of the top of my head. I watched it a while ago, so I'm not sure who it was. I believe it was Craig. He was talking about opening a door for a girl, then after she goes in, closing it after her and running away...and you're telling me you don't think this is plain retarded?
The other dude was like:
Girl:How come you didn't call me yesterday?
Him:Cause I was talking to your mother.

You can still go on youtube on search for extracts from C&F. See for yourself. It will probably be harder to find something NOT completely retarded among their lines.

And yes you do have some guys saying C&F is not about being arrogant. This is how he intended it and blah blah , start reinterpreting everything, and end up with something almost completely unrelated to C&F. I went through all the trouble, of searching youtube for C&F. One of the top links is the guy who calls himself "Magic"...compare his interpretation of C&F to original speakers who give actual examples. You'll see those are two completely different(and often contradicting) techniques.

then we come to David D. I have respect for the man, but not for his C&F. He just says in one video, you have to be arrogant, on the other one he says, no don't be arrogant C&F is not about arrogance...you get where I'm going.

so with all the different interpretations of C&F out there, let's stick to original C&F the way it was created and the way it was intended to be used. And btw I think it was CRAP for reasons stated above.
Author:  Breaking Bad [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:12 am ]
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So does doing a million other things, one of which is being cocky and funny.
yeah but C&F makes you come across like a jerk while others don't.
Quote:
Why do you think being cocky and funny is being an asshole or a jerk or what have you? Because its none of that. Being cocky and funny comes in loads of flavors just like comedians. Saying that being cocky and funny ISN'T for everyone. Not everyone can pull it off. I do it as it fits my personality and who I am as a person. I never once had any problems with it and girls find me funny.
idk what you're talking about. I'm talking about C&F. The thing that David D introduced to PU. I don't care about your INTERPRETATION of C&F. 1000 people-1000 interpretation and 1000 ways to call it. I'm talking about original C&F presented by David D and his speakers. Watch them. Tell me after that that they're not being assholes. Tell me they're not being mean for no reason. Sometimes they're just being plain dumb.

An example out of the top of my head. I watched it a while ago, so I'm not sure who it was. I believe it was Craig. He was talking about opening a door for a girl, then after she goes in, closing it after her and running away...and you're telling me you don't think this is plain retarded?
The other dude was like:
Girl:How come you didn't call me yesterday?
Him:Cause I was talking to your mother.

You can still go on youtube on search for extracts from C&F. See for yourself. It will probably be harder to find something NOT completely retarded among their lines.

And yes you do have some guys saying C&F is not about being arrogant. This is how he intended it and blah blah , start reinterpreting everything, and end up with something almost completely unrelated to C&F. I went through all the trouble, of searching youtube for C&F. One of the top links is the guy who calls himself "Magic"...compare his interpretation of C&F to original speakers who give actual examples. You'll see those are two completely different(and often contradicting) techniques.

then we come to David D. I have respect for the man, but not for his C&F. He just says in one video, you have to be arrogant, on the other one he says, no don't be arrogant C&F is not about arrogance...you get where I'm going.

so with all the different interpretations of C&F out there, let's stick to original C&F the way it was created and the way it was intended to be used. And btw I think it was CRAP for reasons stated above.
from this rubbish you keep posting I can see you obviously dont have much of a sense of humour if you cant pull off the most basic form of joking around and flirting with girls such as cocky comedy.
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Girl:How come you didn't call me yesterday?
Him:Cause I was talking to your mother.
LMAO
I love this, im gonna use it next time under the right circumstance. and you know what? its gonna be funny

stop talking shit about something when you obviously dont have the slightest idea of the concept.
Author:  MynameisFisher [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:31 pm ]
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Girl: How come you didn't call me yesterday?
Him: Because I was talking to your mom
Hahaha. This is so gold. Dude. This is like the best answer I've ever heard to shit tests like this. You've just destroyed your own argument about the stuff being rubbish.
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