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Author:  Mr. Stinson [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:07 am ]
Post subject:  pick up really is simple.
make good vibes. start kino while maintaining vibes. make an its on moment.

for the first year that i studied pick up i now realize that i over complicated everything. i tell my friends this formula and theyve all had success and ive seen a change in confidence in every one of them.

1. good vibes : just have fun, talk, say whatever you want and simply pay attention to the vibes. if shes making conversation with you, asking questions, laughing, teasing, prolonged eye contact. qualifying in any way, touching her hair or other nervous mannerisms that is good vibes. i made out with a couple of my closer friends, i felt the vibes, wanted to know what they were so i went for it it turned out great because i trusted myself and my read.

I find using this simple frame helps me alot because i can adapt to any girl i come across, some girls dont respond well to teasing, some will tease you mercilessly. if you go into a situation thinking "ok im gunna tease her" then she responds negatively you will get stuck in your head. just make good vibes, if talking about her kitten is making good vibes then dont go and fucking tease her, just make good vibes its that simple.

2. start kino, touch her if you make a joke, touch her if you reference her, just get close to her in general. you cant be afraid, remember if theirs good vibes SHE WANTS YOU TOO TOUCH HER. SHE WANTS A KISS

**** the most important thing about kino.**** i cant believe i never read anything about this when i studied pickup day in and day out.

STINSONS HOT TUB THEORY : kino is like getting into a hot tub. if you dip your foot into the hot tub and pull it out right away then next time you dip it it will still be overly hot and uncomfortable. if you dip your foot in the hot tub, keep it in for 2 - 3 seconds then you will get used to it a little bit and next time you dip it, there wont be as much discomfort. If you cannon ball into a hot tub, it will be uncomfortable and bad.

when you are using kino on a girl, touching her for half a second then pulling away is even more awkward than not touching her at all. you have to embrace the kino for a little bit of time so its not awkward. using games to get access to kino is great, thumb war, massage, anything, examining her nails if shes got something interesting but you have to leave it their for long enough to have impact.

once the kino is working and if you get any reciprocating kino, time for the its on moment.

IOM : an its on moment is simply a long session of kino. putting your arm around her, resting your hand on her leg and not moving it, leaning against her entirely. its simply showing her full out what your intentions are. my favorite IOM that i use, i will grab her hand and and stare her in the eyes with a smirk. the IOM is simply showing that you like her. she will pretty much always return the feelings because their were good vibes. from their do whatever. since you know she likes you just kiss her. be witty or creative about it though.

their are millions of girls, MANY will like you right away and their will already be good vibes, MANY will have medium vibes so start being fun, playful and energetic and make better vibes. MANY will outright have no attraction/vibes. either create them or dont waste your time and go find a girl that already likes you.

MOMS, GIRLFRIENDS, MODELS, GRANDMAS, EVEN GUYS, will give you vibes. recognize them, recognize what they mean, dont be a pussy and make an its on moment. ive kissed girls after sitting beside them for two minutes. how did i do it? i realized she was vibing me hard, i made an IOM she reciprocated and i knew i could kiss her whenever i wanted.

remember.

- Saying NO and staying is resistance, she wants you to be stronger than her resistance. Saying NO and leaving is rejection.

- Do what you want. even telling girls "i do what i want" with a smirk on your face is sexy. but you have to BE that person, not just act like it.

- be the man that says "i wanna take you out. come out with me."
dont ask if she wants to go out. tell her you want to take her out.


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Author:  Prophet'sOracle [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:44 am ]
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This is another one of those "don't be a pussy" motivational threads that needs to go out the window with all the other fake hosh posh advice that's given on the thread.
Author:  Warped Mindless [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:14 am ]
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This is another one of those "don't be a pussy" motivational threads that needs to go out the window with all the other fake hosh posh advice that's given on the thread.
You trying to be ignorant or....?

Anyways, this is a good post. Seduction IS simple and muc like Stinson I used to complicate things a ton too.

Have Fun/Self amuse
Get sexual
Lead and go for pull
Pass shit test
Have sex.

Its that simple.
Author:  Prophet'sOracle [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:06 am ]
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This is another one of those "don't be a pussy" motivational threads that needs to go out the window with all the other fake hosh posh advice that's given on the thread.
You trying to be ignorant or....?
Being ignorant, how am I not surprised :roll: ? Since when is "disagreeing" being ignorant? At any rate, I'm tired of these quasi-factual “man the fuck up” motivational threads. All you gotta do is "x, y, and z and you’re on your way to pussy." And while "some" of this may be true, these over used generalized slogans don't help anyone. This is perhaps the 80th thread (no exaggeration) I've seen where the syntax is basically (loosen the fuck up, have fun, and touch the bitch! :D ). It is getting old, redundant, and quite frankly this isn't the solution to helping the guys who need it. It’s more of the same, meant to cater to the same crowd that wrote it (conformational bias if you will). Instead of spending time finding out what people are good at, we waste time telling people what they "should do", or what they are doing wrong (deficit training) . Sorry if my "disagreement" does not meet the context of community standards, but someone has to put an end to this hosh posh. I figured I'd give it a try.
Author:  pumpington [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:31 am ]
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This is another one of those "don't be a pussy" motivational threads that needs to go out the window with all the other fake hosh posh advice that's given on the thread.
You trying to be ignorant or....?
Being ignorant, how am I not surprised :roll: ? Since when is "disagreeing" being ignorant? At any rate, I'm tired of these quasi-factual “man the fuck up” motivational threads. All you gotta do is "x, y, and z and you’re on your way to pussy." And while "some" of this may be true, these over used generalized slogans don't help anyone. This is perhaps the 80th thread (no exaggeration) I've seen where the syntax is basically (loosen the fuck up, have fun, and touch the bitch! :D ). It is getting old, redundant, and quite frankly this isn't the solution to helping the guys who need it. It’s more of the same, meant to cater to the same crowd that wrote it (conformational bias if you will). Instead of spending time finding out what people are good at, we waste time telling people what they "should do", or what they are doing wrong (deficit training) . Sorry if my "disagreement" does not meet the context of community standards, but someone has to put an end to this hosh posh. I figured I'd give it a try.
If someone is asking you for advice on how to turn a tv on and he says, I keep hitting the volume button and it is not working, how do I turn this tv on? Someone speaks up and says, you have to hit the power button, the guy responds with, but im afraid there has to be another way!!

so the guy that is afraid of hitting the power button hops on the turning on the tv forum and he starts being cynical and suggesting, THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO GET BETTER AT HITTING THE VOLUME BUTTON, ALL THESE POSTS ABOUT USEING THE POWER BUTTON ARE USELESS, YOU ARE NOT HELPING ME!!

telling the guy to keep hitting that volume button and focus on doing it better since he is allready good at hitting that volume button is a waste of time, while I see your point it is a very limited mind set, sometimes the advice people need is TALK TO WOMEN, AND STOP BEING A PUSSY, if the problem is the inability to try, to attempt, to put themselves out there, no amount of HURRR DURR, THEY NOT PROVIDE GOOD MECHANICS TO SOCIAL INTERACTION, BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH HELP HURR DURR, will help them, and further attacking posters that try to offer help from their point of view 24/7 is not helpful especially when you never try to offer the 'correct advice' of which you claim is never provided, simply being cynical helps no one

the more specific mechanics and improving your ability to convince and cultivate your talents to appear more interesting and confident (situational in reguards to vibing on something you are comfortable with) are things that should come after the whole MAN THE FUCK UP PHASE, you need to realize that there is advice tailored to different people, and the whole BE FUN, MAN UP, AND TOUCH THE BITCH, is what is needed to be engrained in someone who is just starting, because if they don't hit the power button, you will just have some retard spending 24 hours a day hitting the volume button and improving the way he does that (reading theory)
Author:  Prophet'sOracle [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:54 pm ]
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You trying to be ignorant or....?
Being ignorant, how am I not surprised :roll: ? Since when is "disagreeing" being ignorant? At any rate, I'm tired of these quasi-factual “man the fuck up” motivational threads. All you gotta do is "x, y, and z and you’re on your way to pussy." And while "some" of this may be true, these over used generalized slogans don't help anyone. This is perhaps the 80th thread (no exaggeration) I've seen where the syntax is basically (loosen the fuck up, have fun, and touch the bitch! :D ). It is getting old, redundant, and quite frankly this isn't the solution to helping the guys who need it. It’s more of the same, meant to cater to the same crowd that wrote it (conformational bias if you will). Instead of spending time finding out what people are good at, we waste time telling people what they "should do", or what they are doing wrong (deficit training) . Sorry if my "disagreement" does not meet the context of community standards, but someone has to put an end to this hosh posh. I figured I'd give it a try.
If someone is asking you for advice on how to turn a tv on and he says, I keep hitting the volume button and it is not working, how do I turn this tv on? Someone speaks up and says, you have to hit the power button, the guy responds with, but im afraid there has to be another way!!

so the guy that is afraid of hitting the power button hops on the turning on the tv forum and he starts being cynical and suggesting, THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO GET BETTER AT HITTING THE VOLUME BUTTON, ALL THESE POSTS ABOUT USEING THE POWER BUTTON ARE USELESS, YOU ARE NOT HELPING ME!!

telling the guy to keep hitting that volume button and focus on doing it better since he is allready good at hitting that volume button is a waste of time, while I see your point it is a very limited mind set, sometimes the advice people need is TALK TO WOMEN, AND STOP BEING A PUSSY, if the problem is the inability to try, to attempt, to put themselves out there, no amount of HURRR DURR, THEY NOT PROVIDE GOOD MECHANICS TO SOCIAL INTERACTION, BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH HELP HURR DURR, will help them, and further attacking posters that try to offer help from their point of view 24/7 is not helpful especially when you never try to offer the 'correct advice' of which you claim is never provided, simply being cynical helps no one

the more specific mechanics and improving your ability to convince and cultivate your talents to appear more interesting and confident (situational in reguards to vibing on something you are comfortable with) are things that should come after the whole MAN THE FUCK UP PHASE, you need to realize that there is advice tailored to different people, and the whole BE FUN, MAN UP, AND TOUCH THE BITCH, is what is needed to be engrained in someone who is just starting, because if they don't hit the power button, you will just have some retard spending 24 hours a day hitting the volume button and improving the way he does that (reading theory)
Your advice must make "stream LOADS!" of men successful. "Back to reality" every many has a different "power button" and "on switch". Most of this advice never flips it. In ability does not always mean "lack of ability" it means "lack of feeling in a certain environment." I bet you, we would see twice the success on this forum if we played advice to "people's strengths" instead of their what we "think they should do."
Author:  pumpington [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:22 am ]
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Your advice must make "stream LOADS!" of men successful. "Back to reality" every many has a different "power button" and "on switch". Most of this advice never flips it. In ability does not always mean "lack of ability" it means "lack of feeling in a certain environment." I bet you, we would see twice the success on this forum if we played advice to "people's strengths" instead of their what we "think they should do."
So to a guy who's problem is not the mechanics of the interactions, but rather the approaching and beginning the interaction it's self, showing intent and escalating, what would be your advice?, what strengths could he play to, to accomplish what needs to be done? (because without touching and intent there is a good chance the interaction will be unsuccessful, from my point of view there are some things that are unavoidable), obviously you should focus on your strengths and cultivate them to ''showcase your value'' and hide your weaknesses, but if the guys weakness is lack of experience and the inability to start an interaction, and that weakness impedes success, it must be dealt with, what strength could he play to that would make this weakness irrelevant?, guy can't just go out an talk to a girl, flirt with her in some shape or form either directly or indirectly, then ask to meet her again and get phone number or ask for her to come back to his house, how could you possibly accomplish this besides attempting it?,

the advice is hey go out there and attempt,
you are dis-regarding this advice and saying it is foolish, at least that is my take on your response, and it seems somewhat ignorant

are you suggesting if the guy can't talk to girls but loves fashion, make your clothes so outrageous girls just talk to you?, play to your strengths so that you never have to challenge your comfort zone?

I don't understand, please elaborate, I would prefer the how and why, as apposed to personal attacks, I would actually like to see your perspective and opinion on this
Author:  Stanley Tweedle [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:34 am ]
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Bro, I feel your pain.

These guys are well intentioned...

It might be better to chill out with the anger and talk about your sticking points so you can get some feedback thats relevent for your situation.
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Being ignorant, how am I not surprised :roll: ? Since when is "disagreeing" being ignorant? At any rate, I'm tired of these quasi-factual “man the fuck up” motivational threads. All you gotta do is "x, y, and z and you’re on your way to pussy." And while "some" of this may be true, these over used generalized slogans don't help anyone. This is perhaps the 80th thread (no exaggeration) I've seen where the syntax is basically (loosen the fuck up, have fun, and touch the bitch! :D ). It is getting old, redundant, and quite frankly this isn't the solution to helping the guys who need it. It’s more of the same, meant to cater to the same crowd that wrote it (conformational bias if you will). Instead of spending time finding out what people are good at, we waste time telling people what they "should do", or what they are doing wrong (deficit training) . Sorry if my "disagreement" does not meet the context of community standards, but someone has to put an end to this hosh posh. I figured I'd give it a try.
If someone is asking you for advice on how to turn a tv on and he says, I keep hitting the volume button and it is not working, how do I turn this tv on? Someone speaks up and says, you have to hit the power button, the guy responds with, but im afraid there has to be another way!!

so the guy that is afraid of hitting the power button hops on the turning on the tv forum and he starts being cynical and suggesting, THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO GET BETTER AT HITTING THE VOLUME BUTTON, ALL THESE POSTS ABOUT USEING THE POWER BUTTON ARE USELESS, YOU ARE NOT HELPING ME!!

telling the guy to keep hitting that volume button and focus on doing it better since he is allready good at hitting that volume button is a waste of time, while I see your point it is a very limited mind set, sometimes the advice people need is TALK TO WOMEN, AND STOP BEING A PUSSY, if the problem is the inability to try, to attempt, to put themselves out there, no amount of HURRR DURR, THEY NOT PROVIDE GOOD MECHANICS TO SOCIAL INTERACTION, BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH HELP HURR DURR, will help them, and further attacking posters that try to offer help from their point of view 24/7 is not helpful especially when you never try to offer the 'correct advice' of which you claim is never provided, simply being cynical helps no one

the more specific mechanics and improving your ability to convince and cultivate your talents to appear more interesting and confident (situational in reguards to vibing on something you are comfortable with) are things that should come after the whole MAN THE FUCK UP PHASE, you need to realize that there is advice tailored to different people, and the whole BE FUN, MAN UP, AND TOUCH THE BITCH, is what is needed to be engrained in someone who is just starting, because if they don't hit the power button, you will just have some retard spending 24 hours a day hitting the volume button and improving the way he does that (reading theory)
Your advice must make "stream LOADS!" of men successful. "Back to reality" every many has a different "power button" and "on switch". Most of this advice never flips it. In ability does not always mean "lack of ability" it means "lack of feeling in a certain environment." I bet you, we would see twice the success on this forum if we played advice to "people's strengths" instead of their what we "think they should do."
Author:  Prophet'sOracle [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:54 am ]
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The issue is that they are training the individuals actions and not his mind. This is the reverse of how learning should be.
Author:  pumpington [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:26 am ]
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The issue is that they are training the individuals actions and not his mind. This is the reverse of how learning should be.
you still have not addressed the issue of the how and the why and remain cynical
Author:  Cointoss [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:39 am ]
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I find the OP's post too long for someone who thinks PU is simple.
Author:  MattJesher [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:15 pm ]
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its simple when you know how
Author:  nikki valentine [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:35 pm ]
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if the idea of manning up has been overused its because it works. Cliches become that because if they didnt work no one would bother using it
Author:  Prophet'sOracle [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:22 am ]
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The issue is that they are training the individuals actions and not his mind. This is the reverse of how learning should be.
you still have not addressed the issue of the how and the why and remain cynical
It is simple, put an image into a man's head, and he shall go towards that image. Reinforce his old negative self-image and he will go towards that image. People are trying to "fight" with how they view themselves. The "how" is to plant an image into a man's mind, how to get him to see himself in a new light. That is the most important lessen any man could learn. "Man the fuck up" is a generalized request that makes an individual fight against his self. People think that changing into a better person has to be a "fight" and a "conquest" when really it is like diverting the water from a river to irrigate crops. All you have to do is create a "channel" and a man will go towards success himself.

Most of the people who are successful by this type of advice already have this image carved into their minds. Most of the people who fail however (the many) are individuals who do not have this image carved into their minds, nor does it motivate them to be a part of the image. The issue is one of perception and not persuasion. You'd be good to note that most individuals are trying "persuade" or force individuals into a certain way of thinking. It will never work, because it is not intrinsic.

The most important question any one can ask a man is, "what man do you see yourself as"? Or "what do you see yourself doing"? I guarantee you that these will tell you more about the individual than telling them a thousand times that they need to “man the fuck up”.
Author:  Prophet'sOracle [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:41 am ]
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ETA: Its funny, I just wanted to note the importance of above's last paragraph. Notice how we ask questions that actually build rapport? I see people conveying in so many different ways that this is a skill only necessary when talking to women, when really it is something every human should do for one another. Yet, what I see here are (most) men offering other men "statements" instead of finding out what they want to do. We give women the courtesy of trying to find them out (nothing wrong with this). We spend great amounts of time on women (again, nothing wrong with that). Yet we spend so little time on men (something very wrong). I find this very interesting. Isn't the purpose of this website to help men?
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