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Author:  Vitamin-J [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:08 am ]
Post subject:  Shifting Emotions and Getting Passed the Hired Gun Front
Getting passed the hired gun front it the hardest part of hooking up with a stripper so...I thought I'd share my method for getting passed the front and making a real connection.


This is a really simple concept but executing can be very difficult and if it back fires, it's gonna back fire big so please be careful and kind when using this.


Basically what we're doing is moving her emotional state back and forth a few times to get her guard down. The problem is in most cases you moving her emotional state in a negative manner and then bouncing her back to a positive state.


Start by getting her attention, they always try and chat with you for a second and then try to get you to buy a dance or something like that. Get her talking about herself "so, everyone has a story, whats yours?" don't let her get away with shallow BS answers get her to tell you about herself, most of the time they give you a 30 second recap of her life. Look for a emotional response in the things she says there's almost always one. It's likely that she'll look away and down and her voice will soften just a little. That's your key...


After you Identify this start asking some light questions about it, talk as soft and comforting as possible and don't pry at her but ask questions around it and be comforting and understanding (always take her side) this will slowly lower her state and start breaking down those hired gun walls. as soon as thing start getting a little real and you make that negative state connection, quickly bounce her back to a positive state, "you know what this convo sucks, lets go play some pool!" in a second your looking to jerk her state back to happy bubbly. Joke around with her, be cocky funny a little while move her state back down again and back up until you feel like your getting the "real" her. Once you have that you should be fine to make a move for her number.

"look, I can tell behind all this, behind the slutty outfits, behind the music, behind...this front you put up, this show you put on...there's just another girl trying to figure shit out....and THAT's the girl I want to know..."


Again when your moving a girls state in a negative manner you have to be careful and respectful, never let yourself be seen in a negative light and always bounce her back positive and end positive.



Best of luck out there!
Author:  Bond-007 [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:17 am ]
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Strippers are common to have some daddy issues; to me this tech you are teaching us is based on such a thing.

The most important part I want to write is that, not only strippers, but almost every girl out there has issues of some kind and the daddy issues are the most common to find.

What Im saying is that, in a really simple way, you gave us an opener followed by a convo that should work with almost every girl you meet up.

Of course girls are going to be more bitchy about it, they wont give you any lapdance; but once you get through the first shields, the line: "under this facade you wear I can see an interesting person whos only trying to figure shit out" will work as a charm.

Bond.
Author:  Vitamin-J [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:34 am ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Strippers are common to have some daddy issues; to me this tech you are teaching us is based on such a thing.

The most important part I want to write is that, not only strippers, but almost every girl out there has issues of some kind and the daddy issues are the most common to find.

What Im saying is that, in a really simple way, you gave us an opener followed by a convo that should work with almost every girl you meet up.

Of course girls are going to be more bitchy about it, they wont give you any lapdance; but once you get through the first shields, the line: "under this facade you wear I can see an interesting person whos only trying to figure shit out" will work as a charm.

Bond.

This is very true,



the reason I stated strippers is because they're notoriously hard to crack and in all reality, I would rather see some other methods applied to non hired guns before digging up issues with a girls passed. This however should rip apart most shields and walls with most girls that are hard to make a connection with.
Author:  Bond-007 [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:30 am ]
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Wich makes it kind of fucked up dont you think?
This is my point, once we recognize they do have issues of some kind and that in order to bring down the shield walls by KNOWING what makes em feel good; isnt that morally questionable?

Are we seducing? Or is this another way of playing with human emotions?

Yes, giving her a rollercoaster of emotions is the goal, but that shit includes assuming some kind of problems in her past and acting accordingly.

Reason why I say thats fucked up its becouse it WORKS, and thats the saddest part.
Ultimately; a good seduccion, a good pick up depends on your calibration on the girls past and her problems, I feel like its some way of taking advantage from her.

Or maybe Im getting way ahead on the reasoning.
Author:  Vitamin-J [ Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:58 am ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Wich makes it kind of fucked up dont you think?
This is my point, once we recognize they do have issues of some kind and that in order to bring down the shield walls by KNOWING what makes em feel good; isnt that morally questionable?

Are we seducing? Or is this another way of playing with human emotions?

Yes, giving her a rollercoaster of emotions is the goal, but that shit includes assuming some kind of problems in her past and acting accordingly.

Reason why I say thats fucked up its becouse it WORKS, and thats the saddest part.
Ultimately; a good seduccion, a good pick up depends on your calibration on the girls past and her problems, I feel like its some way of taking advantage from her.

Or maybe Im getting way ahead on the reasoning.

I do agree, however for the sake of discussion, lets look at the situation we're dealing with, we are dealing with girls that knows the game better than almost anyone and we are dealing with restricted time frames. When your in this situation you have to make a connection as fast as possible and I'm sorry but negs, CnF and kino just isn't gonna cut it. You need to get passed the shield and down to business as fast as possible because if your not buying a dance shes gone.


Now that being said, your not exploiting her vulnerabilities, your not teasing her about her past or making fun of her in anyway, what you doing is identifying an emotional marker and starting a conversation about something no one else that walks into that bar has talked to her about or connected with her on. You are understanding that part of her humanity in a none threatening none sexual way, something that is a part of her, and once you've made that connection...get right back to the fun stuff, talk to her, about happy stuff, do the cube, be cocky/funny, thumb wrestle with her...because after you connect with her on a level that no one else in that place ever has or will....you're different, you're not just there for a dance anymore, your there to make a new friend and get to know a person not a pair of tits......and you say that to her when you get her number "behind all this is just another girl, trying to figure it all out."

and that my friend makes you something special...





Then you fuck her! :twisted:
Author:  Bond-007 [ Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:25 pm ]
Post subject: 
Im really enjoying this couse brings me back to the very principles I believe PUA has and maybe its been so long I forgotten.

I agree also that this approach makes you differente from other ppl, lately I`ve been thinking that it was good to be normal; to be "cool", but there isnt really a cool style, only ppl being themeselves and enjoying so with others.

Not getting too away from the subject, if there ever was one good argument to do such techniches is that you`ve mentioned before, you do things in order to be someone she never met, not just another face in the crowd.

To those of you who read this: dont misunderstand me, Im not saying you should be a weirdo, Im just saying you should put yourself in a position where no other man was or only few in her life.

Id be really happy if we can come up on this topic on a way of approaching girls at nightclubs and bars by talking, following that statement I presented that a lot of ladys do have issues, not only the ones that charge for sex.

In a really hippie way all Im saying is that we are paying a price in all this, it isnt money, but its still a price.

Comes with the art, we have to deal with it.
Author:  sangminator [ Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:52 am ]
Post subject: 
I think I got lucky two nights ago by getting a stripper's number within minutes. I noticed she was sort of new to the club because she showed lot of signs of being shy and as not talkative as other experienced strippers.

She's texted me few times but I don't know what to say to her.
Author:  Stand Up [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:04 am ]
Post subject: 
Khuram, go away.
Author:  Mr. Marville [ Thu May 30, 2013 8:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shifting Emotions and Getting Passed the Hired Gun front
Quote:
Getting passed the hired gun front it the hardest part of hooking up with a stripper so...I thought I'd share my method for getting passed the front and making a real connection.


This is a really simple concept but executing can be very difficult and if it back fires, it's gonna back fire big so please be careful and kind when using this.


Basically what we're doing is moving her emotional state back and forth a few times to get her guard down. The problem is in most cases you moving her emotional state in a negative manner and then bouncing her back to a positive state.


Start by getting her attention, they always try and chat with you for a second and then try to get you to buy a dance or something like that. Get her talking about herself "so, everyone has a story, whats yours?" don't let her get away with shallow BS answers get her to tell you about herself, most of the time they give you a 30 second recap of her life. Look for a emotional response in the things she says there's almost always one. It's likely that she'll look away and down and her voice will soften just a little. That's your key...


After you Identify this start asking some light questions about it, talk as soft and comforting as possible and don't pry at her but ask questions around it and be comforting and understanding (always take her side) this will slowly lower her state and start breaking down those hired gun walls. as soon as thing start getting a little real and you make that negative state connection, quickly bounce her back to a positive state, "you know what this convo sucks, lets go play some pool!" in a second your looking to jerk her state back to happy bubbly. Joke around with her, be cocky funny a little while move her state back down again and back up until you feel like your getting the "real" her. Once you have that you should be fine to make a move for her number.

"look, I can tell behind all this, behind the slutty outfits, behind the music, behind...this front you put up, this show you put on...there's just another girl trying to figure shit out....and THAT's the girl I want to know..."


Again when your moving a girls state in a negative manner you have to be careful and respectful, never let yourself be seen in a negative light and always bounce her back positive and end positive.



Best of luck out there!

Early relationship psychology at its finest - thanks for showing me this!
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