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PERSPECTIVE OF LIMITED EXPERIENCE, AND THINKING FOR YOURSELF
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Author:  pumpington [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:05 am ]
Post subject:  PERSPECTIVE OF LIMITED EXPERIENCE, AND THINKING FOR YOURSELF
Hi everyone, I just wanted to touch on some topics that I felt have actually made a difference in my life. First I will get into some information about me, so you know where I am coming from.

I first heard about the book the game when I was 20 I did not read it until I was 21 and I continued to read theory until I had filled my head with a fuck ton of theory, I am currently 22 and have spent several months being utterly consumed with work (where I usually visit the forum) hanging out with my friends, and trying to fuck girls I like

I have gone through a progression, and I feel I have only hit the tip of the ice berg, I have never had social anxiety, I don't usually suffer from approach anxiety with the exception of a few situations where I feel intimidated, I have for most of my life been overweight until the last two years but popular, I have had sexual anxiety for most of my life until this year (still have limited anxiety but for the most part mostly has been overcome starting to just seriously not give half a fuck), I have always for the most part been unreasonably shallow, and I am trying to fight my ego on this one, and accept that if a girl turns me on, I should pursue her and she doesn't have to be a hb8+ for me to feel good, I think once I get over this, I should be in a better place with women, altogether rating scale really only needs to come down to would you have sex with her, or not, and do you like her as a person or not, and combine and weigh the two, with how much,

I currently have slept with 11 girls, I have 213 phone numbers in my phone (19 are guys) alot of them are non responsive or flaky but I keep them anyways, I have spent over the last half of a year going out 2-7 times a week, I have made out with a shit load of girls, and I get rejected almost 90% of the time if not more, but I feel as if my life has improved so much and I am starting to actually see results

When I started I learned MM(m3), I practiced it as much as I could, I barley had any success with MM beyond learning that YES IT WAS INFACT POSSIBLE TO KISS A GIRL AFTER MEETING HER, I always just figured I was hideous and girls hated me cause I was ugly, finally my eyes were open, no they just are weird and you have to do all the work, slowly but surely I stopped caring more and more, I changed from routines to following M3 structure trying to follow it without any routines but occasionally I still was busting out one or two routines when in a rutt, and telling real DHV stories from my life, I recommend this to start with for anyone just starting out, MM but with your own routines and focusing on fun, not social value

I am now at the point, where I have actually back tracked, Theory has helped me, but I started to see real results, after dropping all the theory, dropping all the E-book shit, stopped trying to be smooth, and just started to be honest, and approached a fuck load of a lot more girls, I am now at the point where when I go clubbing my openers are usually sexually direct, and it is not a rare night that I approach every girl in the club, and usually get blown out by all of them with a tendency for a few girls to come back and re-open me when their friends are not around (this is clear that they are into me, but I have mostly only generated make outs with this no SNLs and virtually all numbers I get from clubs are flakes, I have 3 SNL pulls from bars, and 0 pulls from clubs, but one time I did get head in my car and a flaky number) anyways these are the definitive stats and the main things that bug me

age 17 lost virginity, dated 1 girl until I was almost 19,
age 19, dated another girl until I was 20,
from age 17-20 only had sex with 2 girls,
Age 21 had sex with grand total of 2 girls while practicing MM,
age 22, have had sex with 7 girls this year, currently am seeing 3 girls, one of which is my oneitus and if she commits to me, I will date her, she is like the coolest girl I have met and I could see her becoming my best friend

anyways that is all you need to know about me, not an MPUA, but at least I try





SKIP TO THIS PART IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ALL THE BORING CRAP ABOUT ME

ok points are,

1)LOOKS MATTER: big retarded myth in the community is that looks don't matter, well I have seen it in myself and I have seen it in field that they certainly fucking do, saying that they are all that matters or that ugly guys cant get laid is also a big myth, ANYONE CAN GET LAID, you have game, you have balls, YOU CAN GET LAID, but it will be much easier if you are physically fit and good looking, when I was 19 I was 44% body fat, girls were rude to me always until they got to know me and I had several rude things said to me by girls regarding my looks, I am currently at 15% body fat, girls not always nice to me when they meet me, but pretty much never rude, at most just nice to slightly disinterested, I currently get compliments now instead and girls that actually try to talk to me, most of my weight was lost this year, and surprise, surprise, my closing rate has sky rocketed in comparison to the past, more girls showing interest, more kisses, more hjs, more bjs, more lays,

not only this but my best friend is practically a male model who is much shyer then me, and if you were to meet him you would realize he regularly seeks approval and attention and has a somewhat high pitched voice, and yet he has slept with 44 girls, and is 22, he gets hit on regularly has on more then one occasion has been offered no strings attached sex, and he actually turns girls down (he gets approached and hit on by girls he find unattractive alot)

I only bring up this point not to discourage anyone, but just to allow people to realize not to neglect their looks, improve them, do the best you can, also you can not sleep with every girl with the right personality, alot of girls are too shallow to allow it, especially the young good looking ones with alot of options,

and just want to get in before BLAH BLAH BLAH CAJUN KEYS TO VIP, stfu cajun is good looking and in shape, mother fucker looks like colin farrall on a bad day, send a real ugly fat guy in field and lets see the same shit, you wouldn't turn a 7 down if she was cool as fuck either (maybe you would, some girls are that shallow too)


2) Alot of girls seek validation: ALot of girls will talk to you/flirt with you, because they enjoy the validation, and or want a brand new orbiter/entertainer/friend, keep going indirect sure you can get 7-9/10 phone numbers on a good day when your game is tight, but maybe only 1/20 of those numbers leads to full out sex, sure being direct may change that SMOOTHNESS number down to 2/10 phone numbers, but the more direct honest and sexual you are the more it weeds out these time wasters and you know who your time should more wisely spent on, this being said, if you have alot of time wasters in your phone, don't just cut these girls from your life, keep everyone that offers value to you in your life, and in return offer them as much value as you can back

3) Be openly sexual: talk about sex, let girls know you are interested in them sexually, tell them how they make you feel, stay congruent with it, eventually sexual comfort just becomes established, if it is not weird to you, it is not weird to her, girls just put on a show until they realize you are an insider and know they like sex and wont judge them for it but rather want to be around them more because of it

4)APPROVAL DON'T SEEK IT:have gone from 1st gf kissing me 1st, to being terribly afraid to ask a girl for a kiss, to asking confidently with MM line, to now just randomly kissing a girl with no warning, she is being friendly and receptive to touch well she is going to get a kiss on the lips when we are close, simple as that, it is the same with touching, have gone from touching is weird I cant do that, to yeah lets have a thumb wrestle, check out my high five routine, how about i spell some shit on your back, look over there (hand around shoulder), etc. to now just touch girls when you want to, if they are into you, they will like it, and touch you back, pretty easy shit, just dont introduce yourself by shaking her vagina, she will most likely not like that no matter how into you she is, but who knows I haven't actually manned up and tried introducing myself by touching a vagina, still catch my self seeking approval from time to time, but the more I get away from it the better

5)REJECTIONS THE ONLY TRUE REJECTION, IS A GIRL WILL NOT TALK TO YOU, OR BE AROUND YOU, EVERYTHING ELSE IS A FALSE BARRIER

here is an example, one of my lays, told me when I met her, she did not see me that way, we could only be friends, I texted her one day and told her OMG I HAVE A BONER!!, she said ewwww creepy and didnt text me for 2 days, next time i saw her she gave me a hug and a kiss on the cheek, she eventually changed her tune to your cute, but I would never date you, then she came to my house I tried to sleep with her, she resisted and I failed, she flaked on me 3 times in a row after that and was having serious inner turmoil (or it appeared that way to me) doing weird things like txting me setting up to hang out, then flaking on her own plans, and I just kept freezing her out, but every now and then I would still contact her and fluff and invite her out, eventually she came back out and I kept trying to escalate things, eventually she just gave in,

6)Don't buy girls shit, don't go out on their time, don't do things for them that you don't actually want to do, just be you, do you: if she likes you, she will follow, break this rule if you want to marry the girl, this will not really get you extra girls but will make your stress level go down and your income go up, girls will sleep with you because they are attracted, not because you bribe them with GOLDEN BRICKS, AND MAGIC TRICKS,

7)Girls don't have to like you to fuck you: might be a bad example, but I had sex with a girl on E one night, all I did all night long was talk shit about how she was gay (I was drunk and she spilled beer on me) we argued and argued and argued, eventually cooled down, split up, about 2 hours later, I apologized to her (oh hey look I broke another pua rule), gave her a hug, then a kiss on the cheek, then we started to make out, then I fucked her downstairs on the couch

8)What comes out of a girls mouth for the most part can not be trusted, obviously listen to what girls are saying but more importantly watch what she does and how she acts: don't know how many times I have had girls tell me they dont like other guys, they never blah blah blah (give out #, have sex early, date x type of guys, kissing is a big deal etc.), the only things I look for these days, are is the girl friendly to me, does she respond well to touch, that is all, if she is nice and doesn't back off or resist touch, she is going to get asked out, and at some point I am going to kiss her, she either accepts that and we make out, or she feels really uncomfortable and resists after the kiss and gives me a WTF was that look, but still after that I wont apologize, and if she continues hanging out with me and speaking to me, I will try again, until she gives in or stops talking to me, unless I really want a new platonic friend (use your head with this one though too guys, obviously you don't want to be a rapist)

9)PHONE NUMBERS, AND KISSING, DON'T MEAN SHIT: I think of a girls vagina as a backstage pass to her being into you, no matter what you can always fuck up, before you have put your meat train, in the underground fish hole, girls will unforgivably just become flaky, and cut you from their lives, doesn't matter if you have made out with them 1000x or have 5 of their phone numbers but let me tell you, after the meat train, enters the underground meat hole, ALL OF A SUDDEN WOW, you can get away with nearly anything, and this girl will treat you like the wizard of oz with the golden ticket to the chocolate factory (excuse the last one some girls dont like anal)

10)Every girl is different: there is no one size fits all approach, every girl is into different things, different personalities, and if you set off a bunch of her turn offs, you could be elimidated, but things I have found they respond to are,

good looks
money
confidence
social status
sense of humor
being outgoing
having your own place
being clean
having a big dick
not forcing the girl to make all decisions have all the power

not putting pressure on a girl, but instead making yourself really easy to sleep with, and making all the first moves but then backing off for a bit, and remaining persistent until the end

11)ITS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU, ITS ALL ABOUT HER: try to make things as little about you as possible, drop the ego for a while, show some interest, make it all about her, and she may return the sentiment, I understand that the top of my post is like a giant qualification, but try not to go around trying to qualify yourself to everyone all the time, the less you do, the more people will, want to be around you

12)GIRLS FORGIVE ADVANCES, BUT THEY DON'T FORGIVE PUSSIES:
in the end with my limited experience, the more you can get to the bottom of things quickly, the more likely you find out where they go, if a girl is not interested, she is just not interested, there is no amount of magic tricks, and DHV spikes that can change this, GANDALF THE FUCKING GREY, COULD NOT CAST A SPELL ON A GIRL, HOW COULD YOU, AND HES A FUKN WIZARD (not saying mystery is a wizard or anything but the guy is tall and good looking, just sayin)

13)INDIFFERENCE AND A STRONG FRAME:
there are billions of girls out there, some will like you, some will not, you have to just let go, what will happen will happen, there is no need to try to alter someone opinion of you, just lead the interaction in the direction you want it to go in, if it does not go in that direction, oh well next, do not allow yourself to be sucked into negative frames, also indifference can be useful, but if you genuinely care about someone, do not be afraid to express this, not only this but you do not own the women you sleep with, never forget this, they can do what ever they please, just don't allow them to force you to do what ever they please, they don't own you either

FOR THE PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT TL:DR
in short think for your self, going out and talking to as many girls as possible will do you more good then reading about it, hanging out with people that actually get laid, will improve your chances of getting laid, more then reading an e-book, do what works for you, just because some wizard in a top hat tells you wait 7 hours to fuck some horny girl at a club, are you gonna turn a girl down who asks to fuck you in the bathroom after 2 minutes, because THE WIZARD TOLD YOU THAT ISN'T SOLID GAME, other then that the structure of MM is still useful,

good luck guys, hope someone gets their pee pee played with because of this post, im sure alot of you will have your own perspectives, and conflicting opinions with my post, feel free to express them, and offer any value to the forum from your experience that you can
Author:  skills360 [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:31 pm ]
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EXCELLENT!
Author:  skills360 [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:38 pm ]
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This should be post of the month winner...
Author:  Prophet'sOracle [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:29 am ]
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I'm not bashing the ideas, but I'm seeing floods of post like this right now. Is this just the new thing?
Author:  kasabi [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:51 am ]
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This is a solid post, clearly based on experience. You've found your way . . .
Author:  GeorgePH [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:52 am ]
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Quality post. I approve.
Author:  NoLuckLou [ Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:48 am ]
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good post
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