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Author:  M2 [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:31 am ]
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I went out sarging with Chocolatemoose and Weezy tonight and Moose noticed I get blown out at just about the same point.

Prime example, a brunette I opened.

Open
Her qualifying- lots of IOI (Qualifier:"Ya know- when I first came over here, I was bit iffy on you, but now that I sit here....you got...*hand gestures* something about you, so what makes you more than just a face in the crowd"
If they say "I don't know-" I just say "C'mon, everyone has a story, let's hear yours"
Disqualify (she laughs, more IOI, open body language) "Holy shit, that's awesome, I am a writer myself, see now we can't talk, we'll always be criticizing each others novels"
Start fluff
Compliance stuff
C1- At this point I started the cube- she then keeps saying shit like, "this is weird" or "Strange question" at this point her body language shuts down, I get no IOI's and the set is dead. I get impatient with the push back and eject..."It's cool- well look I got to get back with my friends, take it easy"


Normally I would just say- "it's just some girl who didn't like the cube, move on" but I am getting blown out somewhere near A3-C1......EVERY FUCKING TIME ON EVERY FUCKING SET. What the hell? At this point in 90% of my sets, I am having to eject...why?
Author:  M2 [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:03 pm ]
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Maybe build more attraction?
Author:  Mack 2.0 [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:23 pm ]
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Incongruency?

Maybe your routine is coming off like a routine.
Author:  M2 [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:26 pm ]
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Incongruency?

Maybe your routine is coming off like a routine.
As in they know they're being gamed?
Author:  M2 [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:34 pm ]
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You know- you may be on to something-

The last girl I closed with, I did a similar set- but really wasn't that into her, and number closed. It was pretty smooth.....

The only thing is somehow I have to figure out a way to bring that mindset into other sets. What a mindfuck---anyone got inner game shit for this? Or something?

I think I need to spend double the time in Attraction as well- I am only spending like 5-7 minutes (day game). I hook and then go into shit....I should probably stack a couple times.
Author:  phangan [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:24 pm ]
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How do you go into "the cube"? You should say something like "hey, my friend showed me this really cool game, lets play it. Are you imaginative?" bla bla

maybe you're not transitioning into it properly. I did it at least a dozen times and the girls were just eating that thing from my hand.
Author:  M2 [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:47 pm ]
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How do you go into "the cube"? You should say something like "hey, my friend showed me this really cool game, lets play it. Are you imaginative?" bla bla

maybe you're not transitioning into it properly. I did it at least a dozen times and the girls were just eating that thing from my hand.
You're absolutely right- one of my wings says I need to transition in set better. I am trying to think how I did it with her....

Something like- I asked her to give me some poetry (first mistake, probably too abstract) then she couldn't- then I said something like "well, we'll write some together, but since I am a novelist, Ill need to get to know you better," I went through esp- wrong- got her hands, fake palm read for kino and compliance and then said- "ok- why don't we try this" then launched into it.

Every other time I have done it and used it successfully, I just sort of said, "I learned this really cool new trick/game/blah blah want to try it?"

In retrospect- I guess maybe she thought I was doing some weird ass NLP thing?
Author:  phangan [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:53 pm ]
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Poetry?

Dude.......... wait with that stuff. After 5 minutes you are telling a girl you just met that you will write poetry together? Unless its 10000% ON and you hit it up like crazy you should WAIT with such stuff.... just vibe for the first 10-15 minute, much lighter stuff. I wouldn't tell a girl I'll write poetry with her until I'm in set with her for at least two hours.


Tone down the routines you're using bro.
Author:  phangan [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:55 pm ]
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And don't tell girls you are a writer. Wait. Let them find out alone. Try not to use the word "I" in set for the first 30 minutes.
Author:  M2 [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:05 pm ]
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Poetry?

Dude.......... wait with that stuff. After 5 minutes you are telling a girl you just met that you will write poetry together? Unless its 10000% ON and you hit it up like crazy you should WAIT with such stuff.... just vibe for the first 10-15 minute, much lighter stuff. I wouldn't tell a girl I'll write poetry with her until I'm in set with her for at least two hours.


Tone down the routines you're using bro.
LOL- you're probably right- I THINK I am expecting them to really open up initially and that is what this is doing. I am probably rushing the attraction building phases....actually I know I am.
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And don't tell girls you are a writer. Wait. Let them find out alone. Try not to use the word "I" in set for the first 30 minutes.
With this she only got it out of me with a force disqualifier earlier- which she gave me a few IOI's for. I try not to tell them shit about me for awhile, eventually they'll ask, which at that point I know I've hooked and can begin rapport building.

FDQ: "Oh- no way you're a writer too- that's awesome, what do you write? You know now we can't even talk to each other- we'd criticize each other's work constantly! I know we've just met, but I think we should break up.

FDQ: "Get out of town, I play the guitar and piano and sing myself--see, once again--actually this time we should get a divorce, you keep the kids, I get the house and boat."
Author:  Rox [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:52 am ]
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Here's the thing dude, your qualifying yourself. TURN OFF. Just as a question, are you new?
Author:  M2 [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:55 am ]
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Here's the thing dude, your qualifying yourself. TURN OFF. Just as a question, are you new?
No- not super new- How am I qualifying myself, if anything the above statements show I disqualify. Though I suppose later on it could seem that way.
Author:  Rox [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:06 am ]
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Rox wrote:
Here's the thing dude, your qualifying yourself. TURN OFF. Just as a question, are you new?


No- not super new- How am I qualifying myself, if anything the above statements show I disqualify. Though I suppose later on it could seem that way.
By telling them your a writer you are trying to gain recognition, and I asked why your new cus I have been at this since... December I believe, and I started off with M3 model that your using, and I noticed you asked about natural gaming, so I had guessed you were a bit newer since you use M3 and that you hadn't done much outward investigating after that. So as far as natural game goes, I would say look at stuff from Real Social Dynamics, cus when I started I was big into MM, but the RSD really helped my game a lot, it is a natural approach and doesn't really use as many "Routines" but it works because it helps you to put yourself into a creative and self fulfilled state that allows you to not really care what happens and build MONDO-ATTRACTION! So I would say look it up, and look at some threads by Gambler and Warped Mindless about sexualization, that helps a shit ton.
Author:  M2 [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:18 am ]
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Good stuff- I'll check it out- I have been attempting to blend the two models together. I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive. I'm still working out how it works and clearly this is one reason I posted this- however- the nearest I have come up with (and it has gotten me a couple of f-close and n-close) is:

The general MM framework is there, but not nearly as rigid. I populate it with my own "routines" instead of canned stuff. This in theory should allow me to use the structure of MM (which will still get you laid) but still be authentic since it's about me and therefore be "natural". The main caveat to natural game and the RSD model is: it is should be used by advanced PUA. The caveat to MM is: it is training wheels, nothing more. I am currently somewhere in between and developing my own voice.

Telling her I am a writer wasn't qualifying imho- if I had said something like, "Wow we totally click, I am a writer" then that would be qualifying. What I did was show her we are compatible and then- tell her, she wasn't my type so it didn't matter. She did chase after that and open up.However- later on- that's when I qualified. I rushed through it and didn't hook well enough.

Good advice none-the-less. Thanks
Author:  jurupa [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:30 am ]
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Your problem is that you are trying to use the same model and thinking every girl will fit into this model of yours. Guess what ain't going to happen. This is why you are getting rejected or blown out so much. Your problem is that you are not gaming the girl based upon WHO she is. You are tying to game her from a model standpoint. Game the girl and adjust your game to HER, not to your model.

Personally I think you should drop MM and start working on your own "method/model". It would do you a world of good.
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