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| Author: | Stelar [ Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Cold approaching and changing strategies. VERY IMPORTANT |
I went out last night to a club I have never been before , this club has also 2 levels and I arrived at 12.30 am. This is more like a student underground club (DnB + rock) I was neither wearing a suit or a biker jacket, just my usual self. Both levels were packed with teens dancing all over the place , I scanned for DTF women and there were none (serves me right for going into uncharted territory early at this hour) #1 Woman Me : I am going to be honest with you , you are really sexy and I want to know you. (like a bullet ) She : No , because I don't want to. (emotionless) Me : I am glad you are honest , have fun She : You too. This rejection made me smile , at this time everything makes me smile. #2 Woman She was passing by me , a grab her hand and pull her close Me : I am going to be honest with you , you are really sexy and I want to know you. She : No thank you , sorry (and breaks away from me) #3 Woman (to make it short , she had read hair and she told me she had a boyfriend -I told her I don't want her boyfriend , i want her -the boyfriend came and saw she was speaking the truth , even if she was a little interested in me) #4 Woman (She wasn't looking for anybody to hook up) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE ABOVE APPROACHES WERE DONE TO ILLUSTRATE HOW CLUB DYNAMICS WORK. I DID NOT GET EVEN 1 IOI FROM EITHER OF THOSE WOMEN AND I PLAYED THE TRADITIONAL BOYFRIEND CARD AND I GOT REJECTED. (cold approaches) MY FRAME WAS SOLID AS ALWAYS , BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS ENVIRONMENT IS MUCH TOUGHER THAN A GLAMOUR CLUB. ( A VERY HIGH ENERGY PLACE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- After those rejections amused me and I was actually expecting those results I sit down and think about changing strategy. The clock was 2.30 by now (club was still full , I guess this is one of the most visited clubs in my city and this was my first night here) I waste some time speaking with some men about women ( what a sad life they are living) , I met an "Ex" we say hello to each other and then she quickly leaves , I went smoking , basically for and hour I did nothing. The clock was 3.30 and got my impression from this club. Those hipster women don't need prince charming , what they need is that "balls out thug". ------------------------------------------------------------------- People started to clear the dance floor and for some reason I became pissed. I am 6'1" and about 190 pounds athletic + short hair with a generic shirt , black jeans and black leather boots , but my body language and voice tonality makes me dominant. #5 Woman She was in a 3 set , she was leaning against the wall and the 2 female friends of her were standing in front of her. I go in separate the 2 female friend to get to her , place my hand on the wall near her head. Me : I am going to be honest with you , your ass is insane and I want you tonight in every position. ( intense eye contact , I am sure she got wet just by looking into my predatory eyes) She : (she stood there silent , she tried to say something but she mumbled and couldn't complete even a word) Me : This is the truth , i think you are the most attractive women in this place She : Thank you... Me : Listen , we are 2 mature people and if you don't want it there is no problem , but I will never apologize for being a man. (look her in the eye for a brief second and I leave few feet away from her) I light myself a cigarette and ignore them as I was sure they were talking about me Half way through the cigarette I walk to her place my hand behind her neck and force a kiss on her , but for some reason I lost interest in her and left and went outside. *FRIENDS ALWAYS COCKBLOCK IF THEY SENSE WEAKNESS OR PHYSICAL AGGRESSION* The key is to be aggressive but give space. I finish my cigarette and went to the upper level and to my surprise my DTF radar went through the roof. ( almost 4 am) I see "my cutie" the one as she left 3 hours ago from my place. This how my interaction with her went : Me : I am going to be honest with you , you are really sexy and I want you in all the positions for tonight. She : Hmmm , what makes me sexy ? (giving me a shit test) Me : Your tits and specially that juicy ass of yours. (looking directly in her eyes) She : You are insane ( as she cracks a smile ) Me : Think about it , I won't apologize for what I want ( and grab her ass as I leave for a few minutes) I was standing at the bar facing her back and after a few minutes I re-approach. Me : So me and you tonight ( as I grind my hand on her ass ) She : Let's see what you know... Me : you'll see ( as I work me hand between her butt cheeks and kissing her neck , grinding one against another ) A few more minutes of grinding and I invite her to my place and we walk to my car. ----------------------------------------------------------------- This is the most efficient way to get women into your bed. Late hour and direct. |
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| Author: | Stelar [ Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:03 pm ] |
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Thinking in retrospect ... my imagine and attitude last night was one of a "cad". This is why wearing a suit enables woman to see you as both boyfriend material and fuck-buddy material. There is a thread on this forum named "Suit up!" and this is exactly what you should to in order to be congruent as a BF and FB. Those rejections I got during the night were due to the fact that the "know you" variation was NOT CONGRUENT with my cad attitude. It's more suited to use a direct sexual approach since I am going for this type of image projection. |
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| Author: | debovnik [ Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:07 pm ] |
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good work once again! absolutely text book lays I agree that earlier in the night there might not be DTF signals...however where I am, I tend to find more DTF signals early on in the night for example, if I come in the club midnight ie 12, I will do one quick scan of the area. I will normally get IOI's from 5-6 different women in this time...due to my looks, body language, vibe etc. This to me gives an idea of who is DTF and what the type of person in the club is I find my best lays happening early on in the night and not later |
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| Author: | CanisCreed [ Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:13 pm ] |
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Learned the most from this report. Why? Because of the mistakes I’m seeing that I’m making. What were the non-DTF signs you saw? I’ve been feeling frustrated lately but im to blame. I need to pick venues that have DTF girls, not just girls that are hot. That place seemed a bit tough considering they rejected on the spot and were not interested. Funny thing with my area is that girls may show initial interest or talk for a bit but they won’t put out lol. The typical way they work OR the girls may show good interest but not be DTF. I think in those places, def going for the BF strategy might be ill nill cuz I think women in general think most guys are full of it when they try to put the “I want a relationship card” Still got flakes lol. I’m pretty surprised you were pissed since you usually have a non reactive frame. But it comes to show, even guys who get lots of success will be irritated from time to time. I got a question, you mention: *FRIENDS ALWAYS COCKBLOCK IF THEY SENSE WEAKNESS OR PHYSICAL AGGRESSION* The key is to be aggressive but give space.’ Can you explain this one in more in depth? With some 2 sets, this happens. I twirl the girl I like towards me as she’s half assed dancing but then her friend starts to try to cockblock. How would I go about being aggressive but giving space at the same time? I’ve developed a pseudo strategy by attempting to twirl her too and that sometimes works BUT also sometimes they don’t relent lol. Quote:
I finish my cigarette and went to the upper level and to my surprise my DTF radar went through the roof. ( almost 4 am)
Was this woman all by herself or was she with friends when you approached her? I see "my cutie" the one as she left 3 hours ago from my place. This how my interaction with her went : Me : I am going to be honest with you , you are really sexy and I want you in all the positions for tonight. She : Hmmm , what makes me sexy ? (giving me a shit test) Me : Your tits and specially that juicy ass of yours. (looking directly in her eyes) She : You are insane ( as she cracks a smile ) Me : Think about it , I won't apologize for what I want ( and grab her ass as I leave for a few minutes) I was standing at the bar facing her back and after a few minutes I re-approach. Me : So me and you tonight ( as I grind my hand on her ass ) She : Let's see what you know... Me : you'll see ( as I work me hand between her butt cheeks and kissing her neck , grinding one against another ) A few more minutes of grinding and I invite her to my place and we walk to my car. @Spice...around later in the night...in your area....are guys hunting as well or do most guys not approach? Later in the night might be worse depending on the venue as you may see more DTF chicks earlier in the night and then you can reopen them later since chicks seem to want to stay at the venue for a while. |
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| Author: | debovnik [ Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:20 pm ] |
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Quote: around later in the night...in your area....are guys hunting as well or do most guys not approach? Later in the night might be worse depending on the venue as you may see more DTF chicks earlier in the night and then you can reopen them later since chicks seem to want to stay at the venue for a while.
I have no idea what other guys are doing...I dont really pay attention to that to be honest...I would guess that if they cant approach at the start, they wont approach later onIf a chick is up for it, she is up for it from the start. DTF happens from the start of the night...it is just that some people only TAKE ADVANTAGE at the end of the night You will always get DTF at the start. Dont forget that some chicks specifically go out for sex. They dont want to waste 3 hours dancing, when it could be 3 hours of fucking..... btw, dont beat yourself up on fuckups man...Im detecting that from the way you wrote it...I used to do that as well but now Im indifferent. Never feel bad about a bad night out. Always see it as a lesson and that your improving, and leave the club with a smile.. law of attraction: what you think about, you bring about |
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| Author: | JACKAL RONIN J000 [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Hi |
Hi Stelar why have you become the "I want to know u guy". Do not doubt yourself, the old u is unique. The old u matches who u r. If I do indirect now, I sound incongruent. |
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| Author: | Stelar [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:32 am ] |
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@ CanisCreed , yes she was a lone wolf. - Cockblocking if her friends spot neediness or the "target" becomes uncomfortable. I rarely get cockblocked , because many of her female friends treat me with respect , it's something that has do to with you and the way you are. I am going to give you a suggestion. Next time you are in a club and you see a hot woman passing by or standing just grab her hand and hold it as you walk away so you can pull her from that spot. It doesn't matter if she is facing you or not , brag her and pull. After you pull her a feet or 2 place your right hand on her waist and your left arm on the back of her neck and deliver the same direct opener. IF YOU STILL GET COCKBLOKED , THEN HANDLE IT BY SAYING TO HER FRIEND " WE LIKE EACH OTHER , LEAVE US ALONE " -------------------------------------------------------------- @ Spice Spoting DTF women depends on the venue , sometimes early , but most times later and it's easier because of the lone wolfs. 9's and 10's standing in spandex pants alone on the dancefloor. ------------------------------------------------------------- @ Jackal I did it to illustrate typical rejections and how everything changes depending on frame and intentions. From now on I'll drop the "know you" because it doesn't suit my purposes. |
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