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| Author: | drewuggz [ Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | wtf happened? field report ... a failed one that is |
hi im new to this community and i recently read the game by neil strauss and decided to check these forums out. so ill begin wit the field report so a buddy of mine brought an hb10 over to my apt and planned to go out to a club and stuff. i already knew the hb10 from school n stuff but never got anywhere, so when we got tot the club she constantly grinded on me and took my hat and wore it and showed many IOI's and even tried to bring me to the corner of the club away from my buddy who is oppsessed with her. i think he showed too many signs of clingyness even tho he barely knows her. shes also 18 and im 20 so shes still in highschool. shes very outgoing and flirtatious... ofcourse ...shes an hb10... anyways i didnt kiss her atall that night cuz bros over ho's but she slept over that night with my buddy. she asked to cuddle but i went to bed instead. later that week i asked her for her number on fb even tho we already exchanged numbers a long time ago, i wanted to see if she still had my number which she did. we had a good fb conversation and she even suggested comin to my apt again and chillin. she texted me the following: hb10: me: aha im dumb i had ur number already hb10: haha sillyy me: whos silly? im not the one fallin in clubs hb10: touche, hahaha actually i did that again last week! blah blah blah me: u wud... did they all laugh at the little drunk girl? hb10: hahaha idk but it helped that i was drunkkk... it wasnt as embarassing me: blah blah blah hb10: giggle giggle laugh laugh thats how it was .. i just text gamed her pretty gud. we made plans to chill the upcoming weekend and she agreed. i wud then do a freeze out until a day or two before the planned date and i started small talk. she told me she had strep and i thought she wud use it as an excuse to get out of chillin but she said its ok im not contagious i can drink and party on my meds to which i replied "nice" thats all i said, i was kinda pissed... can someone translate to me what she is doin??? leading me on??? |
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| Author: | Jits138 [ Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:16 pm ] |
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shit test. She wanted to see if it was important for you to see her and if you would sack up about it. Gotta find a nice way to demand that she follows through on her commitment without coming off as try-hard... or GFTOW... either way |
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| Author: | IOWA [ Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:49 pm ] |
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i dont see a fail in this FR. she seems like the kinda vivacious slut that we all love. you should make your own club at your house get a bottle and sit at the kitchen table get drunk and chill shell be back. |
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| Author: | drewuggz [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:10 am ] |
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wow thanks a lot... i knew it was a shit test... heres more conv of that night that make it more informative i manipulated her into telling me that she was sick to which i replied "that sucks" hb10: welll no its okayyyy im not contagious and i took my medsss i can partyy so after that the next day when we were supposed to chill i texted her me: hey u get better? me: the weather iss bangginnnn lets go bird watching lol *joke of course hb10: yeaaaa i feel much better noww and hahhaa yea the weathers soo good me: so wen u comin over hb10: uhmm i think im comin into the city my friends boy has a bottle at juliets me: nice thats it.... she never texted me back like wtf???? was i supposed to ask her to come over after she went out??? i dont get it??? did i come off clingy?? i barely texted her... and she was the one offering to come over and chill wit me.... did i fail the shit test??? how do i reinitiate a conversation ..... i kno i can easily fuck her by just goin to a club and gettin her drunk takin her back to my place but i want to kinda get her to love me... like i need a gf ive been fucking too many random girls /// please help me u guys are sooooo proooo |
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| Author: | drewuggz [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:38 am ] |
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she just texted me hb10: heyyyy im in msg letss smoke a blunt me: ahaha what tt u doin there?? ...... what do i say next??? ahhh |
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| Author: | drewuggz [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:50 am ] |
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more info!!! hb10: seeing *concert* haha me: hahaha niceee hb10: wher u att me: im wit maaa boys blazzin wer u at? hb10: *concert* i wanna smoke me:yo too far away girl hb10: me: (. )( .) hb10: lmaooo no way drewuggz ignored her cuz i was too tired to chill is that a good freeze out slash tell her she is not the only girl on ma mind? |
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| Author: | drewuggz [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:05 pm ] |
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bump. |
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| Author: | Jits138 [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:38 pm ] |
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hmm when she said "I wanna smoke" you should have said "well come on then, but bring your own shit mooch" As far as moving forward goes, I am not sure that you are on her mind yet so a freeze out might not be perfect. Gotta get in her head first which means neg neg neg dhv dhv dhv neg dhv... you know the drill. |
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| Author: | drewuggz [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:57 am ] |
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hmm gonna try that, very informative. im guna make fun of her for going to this concert etc make fun of somethin iunno... i guess ill just text game her a lil. but wen do i make the notion to have her over? |
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| Author: | Jits138 [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:31 am ] |
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you still owe her a freeze out. just get in her head first. |
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| Author: | drewuggz [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:55 pm ] |
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so i texted her yesterday the following me: how was the concert loserrr (makin fun of the concert she went to cuz it really is a gay ass concert) hb10: loser?? it was insanee the concert was crazy me: neg hb10: yaa i know right?? me: im kiddin im sure it was sickk no response me: did u score any free drugs lol hb10: hahahaha noo but me n my friends drank beforee me: wordd who u go wit? hb10: me and my 6 girlfriends it wuz her bday i never responded, that is my freeze out... wondering how much longer i shud wait before proceeding, and am i gettin in her head? or just annoying her.... iunno how to proceed lol i have other girls so i have no prob waiting for her. |
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| Author: | TheFuckingItalian [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:18 pm ] |
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Please write in english, I can't follow you. Also, it looks to me you're way too clingy. Freeze her out for days and let her INITIATE the chat. If she still refuse to see you, tease her in a cocky funny way implying that you're busy and you're not going to see her any time soon... Above all, start sarging other girls. If by any chance she sees you with other girls, it will turn on as the best move you've done... Try to spend time in places she usually goes, like a party or something and sarge other girls there, without paying attention to her (at firsts)... |
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| Author: | drewuggz [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:41 pm ] |
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Quote: Please write in english, I can't follow you.
Thanks, but sorry i don't spend a lot of time to check up on my grammar but i do believe the language I'm using is english. But i guess your right, i sometimes seem to get clingy with the hb 9's and 10's so i didnt realize but since you pointed it out its pretty clear. The problem is however, she's younger than me so i dont regularly hang out with her, she is also a bigggg flirt/slut. Im thinking if i freeze her out she will just move on.... then again if i try to talk to her it comes off clingy. This may seem a little oneitis but its because out of all the girls i'm talking to, she is the hottest... and i dont like losing hahahaha
Also, it looks to me you're way too clingy. Freeze her out for days and let her INITIATE the chat. If she still refuse to see you, tease her in a cocky funny way implying that you're busy and you're not going to see her any time soon... Above all, start sarging other girls. If by any chance she sees you with other girls, it will turn on as the best move you've done... Try to spend time in places she usually goes, like a party or something and sarge other girls there, without paying attention to her (at firsts)... |
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| Author: | mickeyjackson21 [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:12 pm ] |
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from what i have read, you havent created enough impact with this girl. even though she is in to you, you're making yourself too accessible to her and too clingy. you havent really created attraction and havent made her work or qualify herself to you. you are a guy with high standards who has other girls, she should be chasing you. you havent negged or teased her in the right way and not enough. the neg you used calling her a loser wasnt cool. looking at you're texting, there's absolutely no impact or substance, just small talk. you were asking way too many closed ended questions to meaningless topics. you didnt escalate the conversations to anything that has deep emotional content. i mostly agree with TheFuckingItalian except the part about the freeze out. if you freeze her out too much then you're more likely to lose her completely. A guy should NEVER RELY ON THE CHICK TO INITIATE CONTACT. girls are unreliable, lazy and think that they are way too busy to send a short reply. You make the contact. you need to change the way you interact and communicate with this chick. use the notes which TheFuckingItalian has said and the posts which i wrote. i'll post them again below. women like men who are observant and situational. notice things about ur target, what she is wear (clothes, jewelry etc). so if u notice something about her (do not comment on how beautiful she is) tell her about it e.g. u notice her bracelet, when talking to her, take hold of her wrist gently and say "wow this is an interesting bracelet, whats the story behind it?", there's always a background story behind women\s accessories. be situational about the environment you are in, whats happening, what do you see, make a statement about it or ask her opinion on it. being situational is much better than scripted material. here are some of my other posts about building attraction and rapport with a girl. one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys. building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well. in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point. and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want. another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages. after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future. the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her. so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting. dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game. Hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude |
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| Author: | drewuggz [ Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:26 pm ] |
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ahhh thank you so much for your input. couple questions though. the girl and i dont see each other during the week cause im in the city and she is in the suburbs. i go to school in the city and have an apt. she is a senior in highschool. so clearly she isnt going to come into the city just to "hang out" the only time she came over was on the weekend we went clubbin.. i dont wanna freeze her out but i dont wanna text her either... like i know its gonna end up sounding clingy. i need a more in depth guide , i already number closed her, i just need her not to flake on me and be more interested in me. thanks |
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