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FR #2 - Never learned so much before in 1 night (tips pls)
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Author:  Coldman [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:48 am ]
Post subject:  FR #2 - Never learned so much before in 1 night (tips pls)
Hey all, this is my second field report, and I've got to say, I've never learned so much before in 1 night, I'll try to keep this one short and if you really can't be bothered for the field report you can skip to the lessons I learned, maybe it'll help you out too!

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My field report:

I wasn't even planning on working on my game tonight, so I started doing drinking games with my mates and came to the club drunk (It was weird, I was drunk, because I was forgetting stuff from short-term memory, but I didn't FEEL drunk, nor did I look drunk. Still, not a good idea, do read on as to why.

We entered the club and we came waaay too early, the dance floor was empty, and there were people on the sides of the room. After reading a field report from Ezo leader-of-men-behaviour-vt56872.html I thought I'd give his advice a try (which was to just go on the dance floor and be the leader of men).

I started dancing alone, everyone was watching and my AFC friends were laughing, I gestured to people to come to the dance floor, but no one did, until after a while this HB8 came and started dancing with me. I eagerly took the bait, put my hands on her hips and started dancing with her all close and stuff for everyone to see. After this people just started coming up one at a time. At this time my AFC friend was the biggest cockblocker I've ever experienced, while I was dancing with this girl he started grinding up to her from behind (WTF!?), anyway, she was still attracted to me and asked me if I wanted to go for a smoke so we could ditch this a-hole. She pulled her friend with her (HB4) and we all went for a smoke and I started asking stupid questions like: Do you come here often? (This is the first reason why you shouldn't be drunk when sarging), moving on, I started to qualify her:

me: "So, I know you've got guts, because you started dancing with me while no one else dared to, but what else do you have going for you besides your looks."
her (I forgot what she said, because of drunkness, but it went something like this): "Well, not much, I'm arrogant, I'm stupid, etc" (All negative stuff)
me (This took me by surprise so I didn't know what to do): "oh... haha! *laugh*"
*** WHAT I SHOULD'VE DONE: Ignore and ask her friend: "So you haven't spoken all night, what's your story?" ***
*** or: "Alright, so you don't have any other qualities besides your looks, give me one good reason why I should stay here?" ***
It went downhill from there, she ejected, but I remembered that I would never lose a set without asking for a number (MAKE THE HO SAY NO), so I walked after her and asked for the number and she rejected, NEXT.

Back on the dance floor I danced with every girl I could spot, even ones I wasn't really into, just for practise/fun. I made out with a girl (Started dancing with her, she turned around, I told her I didn't like grinding someone from behind so I pushed her shoulder and turned her around, triangular gazed and we kissed, she gave me tongue and everything). She also asked me if I wanted to go smoke (FINALLY I'M GETTING SOMEWHERE!), I was thinking to myself I would be a leader and go on ahead, but it was too crowded and I lost her. (Note to self: Grab her arm/hand and lead).

I failed alot of sets, because I was drunk, the one shittest I failed all night was:
"Do you still remember my name?" (Because of being drunk).
One time I even tried: "No, but from now on I'm calling you Snow White! :)", she looked at me funny and she ejected.

I spotted a 6-set (all girls) and I just jumped in, I didn't want to go direct on 1 girl so I spun one girl around, high fived another and just danced next to 2 other HB's, I didn't know what else to do from here, so I went in to 1 girl (mistake) and she gave me the old:
her: "My boyfriend wouldn't like this".
I tried to recover: "I don't want to be your boyfriend, I just want to dance", but to no avail.
I should've done some more fun things like telling 2 girls to hold their hands together and limbo-ing underneath it, I'm going to do that next time.

Also all night I was talking in the lounge area to 2-sets, doing the best-friends test over and over untill I became so sick of it that it showed and I got horrible responses from it.
HB: "Alright, please leave! Enough!" (After doing a series of routines, best-friends test, number between 1-4)

Sorry, I tried to keep it short, but once you start typing you just can't stop it. :)

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Self-reminders (Lessons I learned tonight):
- Being drunk sucks while sarging, your short-term memory is messed up and the most important skill a PUA has doesn't work anymore, creativity. Best is to not drink at all, but if you have too much AA then only drink 1 or 2 beers max (or 1 shot). (Just to be clear, I don't have too much AA anymore, I wasn't planning on sarging, that's why I drank)

- Routines suck, they're great to start with, but after awhile it just gets boring repeating the same shit over and over. I'm going to try and stay away from routines, I am however going to work on DHV stories to tell.

- Be willing to walk away, I stayed in set too long and kept pulling like an AFC, I'm still not using time-constraints.

- Eye contact is killer.

- Things are starting to fall into place, but day-game still feels kinda weird, I can say hi to people easily and do some small talk, direct still feels weird, I'll do it soon, I know I will, because I learned that AA is all in the head: "I don't have the time", "She'll think I'm weird", "I don't know what to say" are all excuses, how do I know this? I'll quote a post by Braddock I read a while ago:
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Stop bitching about other people!!! "If only I had a wing. If only I this or that."
Fuck excuses. They are just things you are choosing not to overcome, because you don't want your goal bad enough. If I said go open 20 sets or I'll blow your mom's fucking head off!!!! Would you say, "Well, Braddock, I would like to do that. I mean I love my mom and I want to really really bad! But, I don't have a good wing." Fuck no! You would open 20 sets in 10 min to save your mom, but you won't open 20 in a week to develop the lifestyle you fucking want and deserve??????????
In short: When you make up excuses in your head think about this: "Does this excuse I have still stand if someone put a gun to my mom's head?"
- I don't have the time!
* MAKE TIME! YOUR MOM'S HEAD IS GONNA GET BLOWN OFF
- I don't know what to say!
* FUCK IT! SAY SOMETHING! YOUR MOM IS GONNA DIE FFS!

Now thinking about it, I think all MPUA's became great, because their desire to be better with woman was bigger than their fear of rejection. Think about it, didn't almost ALL MPUA's have zero social skills? And weren't most of them virgins until they got into pickup in their 20's?
So next time when you come up with some lame excuse think to yourself: "If I don't do this, I'll never become good with woman and I'll either die alone or end up in a relationship where I'm not fully happy, but it's the best I can get."

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For the next couple of days/weeks I'm going to approach HB's and perfect my cold-reading skills,
I'm going to approach girls and tell them "I'm working on my people skills and I'll need their help/opinion real quick, I got an intuition about them and I'm wondering if it's true".
I'm going to be thinking about their:
* Ambitions (What they study or want to be when they finish school)
* Passions (Hobbies)
* Personality (Introvert or extrovert, kind or bitchy (though I won't say that, I'll say: It takes a while to really get to know you)
Not only do I think this is a great cold-reading opener if guessed correctly, but it will help me develop cold-reading skills as I do this more often.



Also a mates GF is throwing a party next weekend, she's a model and her model friends are coming, I'm not going to drink and work on my social skills/game, house parties are awesome, because there is no AA, you HAVE to introduce yourself to everyone, it's good manners.

I'll let you guys know how it went. :)
Author:  P_Bateman [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:42 pm ]
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thats still sounds like a fun night mate and thats the main thing for me when i go out.

anyways, you said your not creative enough when your drunk, im the opposite, i find when im sober i think things over to much but when im drunk they just blurt out of me lol. each to their own eh.

i know what you meen about day game, it just doesnt seem right to me, however if im at a bus stop or road crossing i can chat to HBs then.
Author:  TheJ [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:38 pm ]
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Good job going out there and learning. I like your 'my mom has a gun to her head' motivation exercise :P
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I'm going to approach girls and tell them "I'm working on my people skills and I'll need their help/opinion real quick, I got an intuition about them and I'm wondering if it's true".
Quick comment on the above that's all good, but I would remove/reword the bold part. Saying that you are working on your social skills imply you have none or little. What I like to do is spot someone or a couple and walk over to a different gilr and comment on them/her. "Hey I need a women's opinion to confirm my intuition about those two over there. Hey don't star at them it's not polite! Ok, How long would you say they have been going out?" etc.. Then walk over and ask them (you can play around with your first target that she should go and ask, she will almost always be too shy to go and you show guts by going). Chat them a bit and come back to your target. It doesn't necessarly have to be a couple, it could be a second target. " Hey guys *ftc,intro,intuition blablalba* see that girl over there? I'm thinking she's a toursist because of xyz. What do you think? Where do you think she's from?"... then do the same. Go chat her up. You can even bring them back in the first group depending how receptive they where. You can place a bet with the group. Go to the target and even if she isn't tell her to lie for you (make it fun).

Anyhow, just some twist on what you want to try...

Cheers!

So
Author:  Coldman [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:10 pm ]
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thats still sounds like a fun night mate and thats the main thing for me when i go out.

anyways, you said your not creative enough when your drunk, im the opposite, i find when im sober i think things over to much but when im drunk they just blurt out of me lol. each to their own eh.

i know what you meen about day game, it just doesnt seem right to me, however if im at a bus stop or road crossing i can chat to HBs then.
Yeah, I guess what your saying is true, for me being drunk was kinda like being on auto-pilot, no creativity whatsoever and I couldn't calibrate AT ALL. Which is still something I'm developing SPAM.

Being drunk is fun and cool with your friends, but when you're out sarging it'll cripple your game. (And I mean DRUNK, not having a few drinks, which is actually useful because they surpress AA, but they are still crutches, it's better to not drink at all).
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Good job going out there and learning. I like your 'my mom has a gun to her head' motivation exercise :P
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I'm going to approach girls and tell them "I'm working on my people skills and I'll need their help/opinion real quick, I got an intuition about them and I'm wondering if it's true".
Quick comment on the above that's all good, but I would remove/reword the bold part. Saying that you are working on your social skills imply you have none or little. What I like to do is spot someone or a couple and walk over to a different gilr and comment on them/her. "Hey I need a women's opinion to confirm my intuition about those two over there. Hey don't star at them it's not polite! Ok, How long would you say they have been going out?" etc.. Then walk over and ask them (you can play around with your first target that she should go and ask, she will almost always be too shy to go and you show guts by going). Chat them a bit and come back to your target. It doesn't necessarly have to be a couple, it could be a second target. " Hey guys *ftc,intro,intuition blablalba* see that girl over there? I'm thinking she's a toursist because of xyz. What do you think? Where do you think she's from?"... then do the same. Go chat her up. You can even bring them back in the first group depending how receptive they where. You can place a bet with the group. Go to the target and even if she isn't tell her to lie for you (make it fun).

Anyhow, just some twist on what you want to try...

Cheers!

So
Haha, great stuff, I just wanted to train my cold-reading skills, but your idea is much better, thx for the advice :)
Author:  TheJ [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:48 pm ]
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Haha, great stuff, I just wanted to train my cold-reading skills, but your idea is much better, thx for the advice :)
Well try your way too. It will be great traning for sure. I was just pointing out another way that I like doing. I find people are a lot more receptive to talk about other people. A lot of girls are 'gossipy' and it plays on that. Also by talking about someone else, you kind of bypass some of the ackwardness and 'interview' type questions that typicaly come when meeting new people. I find it a lot of fun.
Author:  Karas [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:26 pm ]
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I'd wing with you any day man good luck.
Author:  Coldman [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:09 pm ]
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Haha, great stuff, I just wanted to train my cold-reading skills, but your idea is much better, thx for the advice :)
Well try your way too. It will be great traning for sure. I was just pointing out another way that I like doing. I find people are a lot more receptive to talk about other people. A lot of girls are 'gossipy' and it plays on that. Also by talking about someone else, you kind of bypass some of the ackwardness and 'interview' type questions that typicaly come when meeting new people. I find it a lot of fun.
Yeah, I'm gonna try both ways, see what works, thx for the tips
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I'd wing with you any day man good luck.
Thx man, good to know, makes me feel like I'm on the right track :P
I'm still looking for a wing, seeing as my AFC friends will only cockblock me :?

I was also trying to help my AFC friends; when I was dancing with a girl, and her friend was being all lonely and stuff I told my friend to go and dance with her friend, but he had too much AA to actually do it... :S Then the friend got pulled away and I lost my set too. Obviously I could've done something else, but it's just to show that I can't rely on my friends when it comes to pickup.
Author:  SpeXXX [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:29 am ]
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I totally agree about the drinking subject. I adopted myself a non-drinking habit which allows me to be 100% in game, and I'm actually having much more fun then i used too.

About those 2 girls in the lounge:
You probably conveyed to much interest in the interaction.
"Its not what you say (Routines), its how you say it (FTC's, body rocking, takeaways, etc)"

What i basically learn about my game, that fluffing and routines won't get you anywhere far.
Of course this good material to have when you run out of things to say, but what is your main goal here?
Is it to fuck her, or is it talking till you fuck her brain's out? You gotta first put her in a sexual state in order to fuck her.
Think about it.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:59 am ]
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Im feeling TheJ's 1st. suggestion of day-game opinion opener. Now to the topic at hand. Really,I dont see why the HB rejected you for calling her snow White;thats a classic fuccing neg that I've used a million times(except wit other names) without error. Well,I guess you werent congruent with it.
Author:  Coldman [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:38 pm ]
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I totally agree about the drinking subject. I adopted myself a non-drinking habit which allows me to be 100% in game, and I'm actually having much more fun then i used too.

About those 2 girls in the lounge:
You probably conveyed to much interest in the interaction.
"Its not what you say (Routines), its how you say it (FTC's, body rocking, takeaways, etc)"

What i basically learn about my game, that fluffing and routines won't get you anywhere far.
Of course this good material to have when you run out of things to say, but what is your main goal here?
Is it to fuck her, or is it talking till you fuck her brain's out? You gotta first put her in a sexual state in order to fuck her.
Think about it.
Well, the fact that I was dancing earlier with her real close might have conveyed too much interest, or the dumb boring afc questions whilst walking to the lounge.

And could you emphasise on the getting her in a sexual state for me? Like kino, eye contact, that sorta stuff? Because I should do that while talking anyway, else you'll just end up in the friendszone.
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Im feeling TheJ's 1st. suggestion of day-game opinion opener. Now to the topic at hand. Really,I dont see why the HB rejected you for calling her snow White;thats a classic fuccing neg that I've used a million times(except wit other names) without error. Well,I guess you werent congruent with it.
Yeah probably, I was at a party yesterday and tried it again, she said: "Why?!", I said: "I dunno, you just somehow remind me of her", didn't really get a positive response. I'll write the field report of this night soon, but right now I'm going for a shower and getting ready for tonight, just came back from the party
Author:  SpeXXX [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:51 am ]
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You should first read Chief's sticky about Sexual attraction: sexual-attraction-explained-in-depth-vt40419.html

The 2nd thing I suggest you to do is read Twotimer's (aka in10se) "Speed Rapport".
Author:  Strobes [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:31 am ]
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wow these posts have been really helpful thanks!
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