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| Author: | ChinaGuy [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | First night out sarging since joining the community |
So I just joined the community this week, out of curiosity more than anything. I'm 26 and basically have gone from 1 1.5 year ltr to the next for the last 3 years, and neither ltr really took any effort or 'game' on my part at all, they just kinda fell into my lap. Well I guess that might happen again, but I don't really want to sit back, do nothing, and wait to get lucky for a third time in a row so I decided to take matters into my own hands and work on my 'game' a little bit. After doing some basic reading I decided to try to go to a club tonight and see what I could do. Well this was my first time going to a club to actually meet girls. I have been to clubs plenty of times before, but always as a date bringing my gf with me. It was a friend's birthday party, so I knew quite a lot of people there and made sure to try to build social proof by going and talking with all the different groups of people that I already knew. But I noticed some very attractive girls sitting by themselves and decided to follow the three second rule and went and talked to them right away. I had a decent conversation but found out quickly that they were all leaving town after a week (this was confirmed by another friend who also knew them), so no potential gf material there though I wanted to keep open the possibility of a 1 night stand. Unfortunately I didn't really feel like I had a solid rapport or any decent IOIs so I moved on pretty quickly, only talked to them for about 7 minutes. Then went around and continued drinking with all the other people I knew (very slowly, made sure not to get the least bit drunk, especially since I was driving). After talking to a bunch of friends I went and danced for a while on the dance floor. I kept trying to make eye contact with various girls dancing there but they all kind of looked away from me really quickly. So I kind of pretended to ignore them and kept on doing my own thing dancing for a while, then looked back at them, same story, and over and over. I noticed a really cute chick dancing by herself on the upper level so I immediately went up to talk to her, but it turned out she was with a boyfriend and blew me off pretty quickly, though at least politely. So then I noticed another group of friends that had come in independently and I went up and talked to them, sitting around the bar for a while. As we were talking one of the guys, who's married, kind of nudged me and nodded towards a couple of cute girls sitting right beside us, and offered to talk to them for me, as they were Russian girls and he's Russian too. Well I was kind of surprised that he seemed to think I was too shy to talk to them myself so I immediately turned to them and introduced myself and started talking to them, for about 5 minutes, but once again did not seem to get any decent IOI's or decent body language. So I went back to the dance floor pretty quickly after that. Then I danced for a long time with a couple of good looking girls that were also there for the birthday party that I knew, but also not dating or fucking material as I know both of their boyfriends. I thought dancing with this pair of attractive girls would build my social proof a lot. Then things got better when a good friend of mine that's a professional boxer and huge and well known as being a serious badass came up and started trying to physically but playfully AMOG me, and with me giving up almost 60 lbs to him, you'd think that was a given, but luckily I've been training in Jiu Jitsu and MMA for over a year and didn't back down at all and gave as good as I got, I thought for sure my social proof would be through the roof at this point. BTW I realise it wasn't exactly clear what happened but basically first he tried to pick me up with kind of bear hug to show how much stronger he is than me, but I didn't let him do it and actually managed to pull his head down and make him back off awkwardly, then he kind of pretended to throw some punches at me and I blocked them and threw some back, and then he grabbed another mutual friend's hat and put it on and kind of laughed at him, but I grabbed it back and threw it back to my friend who was just kind of standing there looking at a loss for what to do. I should emphasize that this was all done very playfully and good naturedly and not the least bit drunkenly on my part, though it seemed he had had a couple of beers by that point. So yeah, basically, I felt I should be doing pretty well on the social proof here at this stage, but unfortunately I was not really getting any IOI's from any girls at all. So I decided to be a little more direct and went up and started dancing right in front of this girl, again she avoided eye contact, but didn't move away from me or give me her back, so I asked her her name and as I did so I made sure to get in some kino by holding her hand, and also putting my hand on her back to hold her close to talk to her. Unfortunately English was her second language and it was really hard to understand anything on the dance floor, so I tried to get her to come to a quieter place with me to talk but she just wanted to keep dancing more, so I danced with her for a while then left her alone. I then went and opened another 2 set of hot girls dancing together, but they gave me pretty bad body language. I decided to perservere anyways and followed one back to her table to chat her up for a while but she totally avoided eye contact, faced away from me, and gave me 1 word answers, so I got up and left after about 2 minutes. I went back and talked to the two girls that I was with, and also a couple of other guys that are good friends, and we started playing truth or dare and did some mildly funny stuff, like making one of the girls walk around the entire bar doing a chicken walk. It was almost 4 am at this point so I finished up with a little more dancing with that girl I was talking with before, but once again couldn't really talk to her. Finally as I was leaving the club with a couple of friends to call it a night I noticed her outside the club by herself and I kind of wanted to talk to her but I felt it would be kind of lame to just leave my two friends standing there waiting for me when they were kind of counting on me for a ride. The dumbest thing is that I could tell that this girl would be mildly impressed that I have a car, as there are only two white people in this whole city that drive a car, and I'm one of them, so that makes me kind of notable even though I've basically had a girlfriend for the entire time that I've been here and so did not do the nightlife that often for the last 2 years or so so not that many people who do know me personally. So yeah, that was basically my night. I ended up opening 5 different sets of girls (out of a total of maybe 8 or 9 in the club, including one that came with me, and none of the other sets had any girls I was attracted to anyways), and I did so confidently and without the slightest bit of hesitation. One of the sets of girls didn't give me good IOI's and were leaving the city very soon anyways, so I abandoned them. The second set were all with boys there, and though not exactly rude it would be fair to say I got blown off. The third was much the same as the first; polite, but certainly not blowing me away with IOIs. The fourth girl didn't seem interested in talking, but did seem to like dancing with me. The fifth set was the most disappointing; the target was completely indifferent to the point of rudeness to my talking to her, and I walked away from her very quickly. So all in all I have to say it wasn't a good night for my ego. 5 approaches and I got nothing for it. Talking to one of my friends that gave me a ride home, he suggested I change my glasses style, which is fair enough, I got these glasses a long fucking time ago, but that seems like a pretty small thing to get blown out 5 times in a row over. I mean I guess I have some excuse for some of the blowouts but I still feel like a good PUA wouldn't have gotten blown out at all by any of those sets for any reason, including having lame glasses, girls leaving town very quickly, being there with boyfriends, or whatever. I felt like I was pretty confident, lively, had good social proof, I dance alright, I wasn't AMOG'd by anyone and to some extent even kind of AMOG'd the boxer. I was friendly and talked to and danced with almost everyone. If I hadn't gone in there with the intention of sarging and at least getting a #close on at least 1 set, I would have had a great time, and I was having a great time all the way up until about 5 minutes before I left, which is when I realised that it was 4 am and I was tired and had completely failed to #close anyone. So that's my first field report. Very detailed and very boring lol. Any advice or comments from the peanut gallery would be very appreciated of course! |
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| Author: | Exerio [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:35 am ] |
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Heya ChinaGuy! I think you did a great job if this was the first attempt in-field you've had. And in most cases it is certainly an eye-opener. You managed to open all of these sets this night out, which isn't bad. You also showed an ability to leave which is a characteristic you should develop. What I believe you need to do in order to further progress your game is paying attention to the transition after opening, as this is where you screwed up. Read some books, write down some experiences that you can make a story out of, and learn something interesting. For some people this is illusions (simple coin tricks), palm reading, mind reading and in general things that make curiosity. If you manage to get a girl curious about you then you will start seeing IOI's. Hope this helps!:) - Exerio |
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| Author: | ChinaGuy [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:35 pm ] |
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Quote: Heya ChinaGuy!
Yeah after thinking about it for another day definitely the problem I had was that I was totally unable to get a decent conversation going. For one thing, this place was basically a disco/dance club, so the music was ridiculously loud. For another thing, every girl I talked to was non-English speaking or broken ESL at best. Half the sets I opened were Russians (professional dancers, rowr serious 8-10 action there) that had decent English, but not good enough that they'd be able to understand if I'm joking with them, so I avoided negging or really telling any jokes at all, and avoided innuendo too of course, so the conversation was very bland obviously and fizzled out quickly. I think I'll take more risks conversationally next time--if I offend someone by accident, so be it, that's the risk I'll have to take. The other sets were Chinese girls and I opened and talked to them in Chinese, but once again the music being so loud it was very hard to get a good conversation going, and also the Chinese sets were the sets that all came with boys, so even if the music was quiet there's no guarantee I'd have been able to do anything.I think you did a great job if this was the first attempt in-field you've had. And in most cases it is certainly an eye-opener. You managed to open all of these sets this night out, which isn't bad. You also showed an ability to leave which is a characteristic you should develop. What I believe you need to do in order to further progress your game is paying attention to the transition after opening, as this is where you screwed up. Read some books, write down some experiences that you can make a story out of, and learn something interesting. For some people this is illusions (simple coin tricks), palm reading, mind reading and in general things that make curiosity. If you manage to get a girl curious about you then you will start seeing IOI's. Hope this helps!:) - Exerio However I do know how to talk to Chinese girls... I'm having different friends setting me up on dates on a pretty regular basis and managed to impress every girl I've been out with so far, and even had one girl taking the iniative to call me and try to set up a day 2, which is practically unheard of in this country. Another girl I met for professional reasons (interviewing her for a job as a manager of some university classes) ended up telling me straight up that she'd call up her boyfriend right now and dump him right in front of me if I wanted her to... that was wierd.... Unfortunately, none of the girls I've met on these set ups recently have impressed me much, needless to say. Today I daytime sarged very briefly, but was under time constraints. I got up a great conversation with a megamilf in a McDonald's while I was waiting for a friend by opening her cute toddler son and making him laugh and whatnot, but then her husband showed up and escorted her away from me lol. I wasn't going to do anything with her anyways obviously, just wanted to get in some practice. Tomorrow I might get in a little bit of daytime sarging too, we'll see if I have time. Thanks a bunch for the comment Exerio, I'll let you know what happens next. |
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