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| Author: | ConstantTraveller [ Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | FR - A3 Stumble |
THE BEGINING Three friends that are girls, one of their boyfriends and I walk down brick lane and get to a bar. We walk in and I’m already scoping targets and using the boyfriend to get hi 5s and build social proof. After we get drinks I decide I need some practice sets to get swinging. I turn to a mixed 2 set nearby. *Think* Over the shoulder, smiling, low tone, slow, project voice, lean back – I don’t need anything from them. “OMG! Did you guys see the fight outside?!” The girls on the phone and leaves the venue. However, casual conversation soon reveals that this girl is not his gf. This is good news, I may have something here. Sure enough she returns and is a solid HB8.5 and I quickly merge groups and get names. The guy (EP) from my ‘home set’ comes up and takes over the conversation. “This has to change,” I think “take control or you’ll fade into the background. You can choose to be a PUA in training now or remain an AFC for life.” THINGS GO WELL I cut EP off and take control by way of a DHV story and EP drops away and starts to distract the obstacle. HB8.5 is giving IOIs, I’m teasing her and getting her to talk about herself. We’re isolated - the rest of the home-set have absorbed the obstacle and they’ve closed off on us. HB8.5 isn’t checking the obstacle for safety and remaining with me. 1. ESP The routine works for 1-4 but fails on 1-10 and 1-50. I got compliance when I moved her hands around and now she is flirting heavily, responding to kino, and I’m receiving eye contact with dilated pupils. 2. Run the 5 questions game . She’s gutted as she’s just told me she’s an excellent liar. 3. 'Lets take Photos!' picture routine 4. I move to the first level of closing. “You know what?! You’re pretty cool, we should hang out some time,” I say, pulling out my phone, “What’s you’re number?” She types it in but numbers are only IOIs and not a result, so I decide to move into comfort. “So tell me about you. Who are you? What do you do?” She’s a HR Manager for air France and working here in London. She tells me she is a lesbian and that her girlfriend and that’s the only reason its ok for her to have the obstacle round to visit. Bullshit. She’s decided that lying to me all the time is the new game. Things start to get rocky from here on. ERRORS START I’ve never run a kiss close gambit. I try to improvise with escalating kino but it doesn’t work. I receive IOIs again and ask her if she wants to kiss me – No, she doesn’t. WTF? Where’s this going? EP comes over and starts to AMOG me while taking pictures of us. “I want you to look upset. He’s just been hitting on you and said something stupid. He’s tried to kiss you and you’re angry. Constant I want you to look upset” WTF man, you are the social equivalent of a nuke! I AMOG back by kino-ing him with pats on the shoulders and give him a nuggie while she takes pictures. We play fight and then I turn to the HB8.5 “I’m going to hit the bar so I’ll catch up with you some other time” The goal now is to open new sets in the vicinity. Up my social proof and wait for HB8.5 to approach me. I take control of the home-set again and do social glass clinking along with some dancing. I open the two set behind me (HB6s) with the same opener and immediately start to stack. After a physical FTC by body rocking towards my friends. 1. You guys have known each other for more than a year at least – you have similar facial expressions. 2. Let’s see you’re the bad girl and you’re the good girl. 3. ESP (lock-in) 4. Photo routine (which photos should I keep and put on facebook?) 5. Verbal DHV about taking a friend somewhere. 6. Fluff talk. EP has joined the group and providing mild winging. At least he’s not AMOG-ing me in front of this set! Suddenly I feel a tap on my shoulder. HB8.5 has turned to tap me and then returns to the home-set. I glance over and then continue working the set for 5 minutes. Although I reached hook point I’m not moving forward. One of the girls looks at her phone and says to the other “we should get going”. *warning bells in myhead* I don’t want to loose social proof in the room and immediately eject by saying EP and I need to return to our friends. Double kisses on their cheeks and return to the home-set. Problem: how to re-initiate conversation with HB8.5 without appearing needy. I don’t come up with a solution. I approach her and the obstacle “hey, have I told you this amazing story about when I took some friends to Africa? It went down like this…” EP wants a drink and I owe him for a few. Friends are the most important thing – more important than this set and definitely more important than this girl. So I tell them to stay here while I get some drinks. 3 SHIT TESTS HB8.5 shit tests me for a drink and I tell her that I will – once she buys me one first. She wants me to tell her the story now – you can hear it when I come back from buying my friends a round it’s my turn and that’s how we roll. She says she won’t be here when I get back – I laugh and smile at her “Yes. You will.” When I get back she’s where I told her to be and I lean against a table while telling her the DHV about being chased by an African elephant (true). She’s between my legs. She’s leaning in. Her pupils are dilated. There’s eye contact. I move her to a sitting position on a bench and we talk but I can’t figure out the k-close gambit I try one and she mentions she has a bf and this time it’s true. THE LAST ATTEMPT I have no bf destroyer patterns but I try to continue. She’s still talking still giving me IOIs her hand grazes my leg – I stay leaned back and made her lean in to talk to me. I try a Mystery Method K-close. “OMG, I’m trying so hard not to kiss you right now. Why am I thinking about that?! I’m not even in that headspace right now” She negs me and I ask her if she wants to kiss me. She laughs and says no but then says that that’s a lie. I go in, failed. Fuck this, time to eject. She's already told me that i'll leave now I know that she has a bf and I've defied that by sticking around for another 10 min - I'm just not into playing mind games anymore. ANALYSIS All in all, the French girl did my head in. The signals were strong so I’m analysing my mistakes. Here’s how I see it: 1. I bypassed A3, or didn’t spend enough time trying to get her to qualify. After re-reading the mystery method handbook/bible I realise that attraction was there but I failed to get her to invest. I distinctly remember having a good gambit set up for her to do but something distracted me to forget it as I spoke to her. 2. I need to be more detached in field. Problem 1 is a symptom of 2. I should have had the voice in my head saying “Have you reached hook point?”, “Have you received IOIs?” and “Have you demonstrated your interest?”. 3. Recognise when a target is giving false IOIs. I know that this will come with experience but I’m wondering if all I did was flatter her ego and that my attention was just a game. 4. Eject after trying 3 times. There were other sets and new targets I could have opened but I was comfortable. Instead I will begin demonstrating my willingness to walk away. |
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| Author: | kcdclan [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:35 am ] |
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LoL nice dude.You should have not asked her and just read her better. Alot of girls hate being asked to kiss. Your way is straight up text book stuff.be glad she is a blond lol doent know the mm. You should throw your style on it. Like hey i heard your a good kisser or somthing that isnt in the books. |
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