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Author:  prefix [ Fri May 15, 2009 1:55 am ]
Post subject:  FR: A very uncomfortable moment at the bus
I was sitting at the bus going to a friend's house. The chair next to me was empty, and some HB7 jumped in into the vehicle. It was the only empty seat at the moment so I knew she was going to sit next to me. I started to fell nervous and my own mind started to play it on me, "Should I open or not? Yes! Open... No wait... What if..." but I didn't care and opened her while she was seating down (3 seconds rule in action. I'm impressed of how much I can panic in just 3 seconds).

I go: "Hey, quick question. Who lies more, men or women?" and she looks me with that look like "WTF? Why are you asking me this?" and says "I don't know". So I start telling a story but I notice she's not interested at all, so I start to slow down until I finally shut myself up in the middle of the story. There are like 3 minutes of total silence, very uncomfortable silence. Then somebody gets out of the bus and she simply moves to that seat.

Even now I think of it and feel embarrassed. I know how stupid and ridiculous I looked to her and all the people that were listening to us.

What I learned: It's important to plan an ejection in case you need it. Opening on "no-escape" situations might get bad both for you and for the girl.
Author:  Clozer [ Fri May 15, 2009 3:14 am ]
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Hey Prefix,

Man, seriously, don't sweat this at all my friend. I have been with many, many women, but I have also gotten rejected TONS of times. The point is YOUR TRIED. And congrats on opening in 3 seconds. See, you are better than an AFC because you made an attempt to do something.

There are two factors that may have gotten you this reaction:

#1. How did you feel when you opened? Where you 100% confident? Did you believe in your mind that you are the shit and any woman should be blessed to have a piece of you? I have opened chicks and gotten similar reactions to the girl you described. In those cases, when I looked back on it I realized it was because I didn't feel 100% confident. When you don't feel 100% confident, that ambiance of unconfidence exudes from you in subtle ways that you may not even be aware of.

#2. Some chicks just don't know what time of day it is. Some girls just can't deal with a guy approaching them. And that's probably cause they never get approached and therefore lack the confidence or experience to deal with the situation.

Look, you can't close EVERY girl. So don't worry about it. It's all a numbers game. If you open X amount of times your going to number close Y amount of times, and F-close Z amount of times. X is always going to be greater than Y and Y is always going to be greater than Z.

One more piece of advice: If you fail at a pickup keep picking up until you at least get a number close so that you can finish the day with a positive feeling.
Author:  RuleBreaker [ Fri May 15, 2009 5:25 am ]
Post subject:  Bus
In this situation, since it was a completely casual, day game setting, I would have probably opened her in a less flashy way. I would have simply struck up conversation with a "Hi there." It's not a canned opener, but then again this is day game, and instead of getting a "wtf" response, you'll get a "hello!" From there I would probably use a few funtional or situational openers to get a conversation going and THEN start dropping some game on her, that way she won't wonder wtf you're talking about, instead it will make sense in context. Even if it doesn't make sense, not being a creeper and dropping some game first will build the first steps of positive rapport.

Just my two cents, but then again I'm an under the radar kinda guy.

Breaker
Author:  Cock_roach [ Fri May 15, 2009 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: FR: A very uncomfortable moment at the bus
Hey, prefix. Shit just happens. I had a similar situatiuon recently. Well, in a crowded bus (really crowded, overcrowded) I decided to open the girl (HB7,5) It was in the morning, I was out of ideas, so I simply asked:" Do you think a woman can slap a male in a face?" :D she responded: "Yes, well, if he deserves it" here I felt a chance and said: "I got fired from home because my girlfriend accused me of betrayal. I got punch in the face and has to serach for my shoes outide her doors. But I could betray her once more, especially with a hot babe met for example n a bus" ;) she turned red and got out on the next station. Everyoby was looking at me, but i thought: Fuck you all and did nothing. Well, bad expeirnce, but still an experience.

Man, you're still learning, as I'm doing. Maybe a piece of advice from another newbie:
1) keep doing what you're doing, it's all about training and training
2) don't be bothered by the opinion of others, there is nly one place where you should have their opinion. I Poland we say, a place "where the sunshine can't come" or "where your back loses its noble name".
Author:  Clozer [ Sat May 16, 2009 6:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: FR: A very uncomfortable moment at the bus
Quote:
" Do you think a woman can slap a male in a face?" :D she responded: "Yes, well, if he deserves it" here I felt a chance and said..."
Yeah bro, props to you for having the balls to open that girl while everyone was staring at you. Although when you compliment a girl like that you pretty much are just giving her all the power and the upper hand. She walks away with a bigger ego and you walk away embarrassed with no phone number.

Your opener, however, did inspire me. Here's how I would play it out

Me: "Do you think a woman can slap a man in the face?"
Her: "No, I don't think that's right."
Me: "Then allow me to charm you with my candor by saying that I would love to eat your pussy."

Naw, I'm just messing around. I agree with RuleBreaker. If you had started that pickup with some more socially "acceptable" conversation like, "Hi There", or "Does this bus stop at xxxx", that would have been a good segway into your game lines.
Author:  xibuz [ Sat May 16, 2009 7:34 am ]
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I take 4-8 buses a day so I know the feeling. I get on at the beginning of the line, sit by the window, stretch my legs in front of the other seat until the bus arrives at a stop where its gonna get packed and seats will double up. Usually a person I would rather not have sit there takes the seat. Better luck next time...
When I start college next month its bound 2 happen more.

Im not feeling an opinion opener on the bus or train. Thats more like for a bar/club/party I feel. I don't feel like myself using any canned opener on the bus.

This is where natural game is key. Being casual, spontaneous, in the moment, and fun, making it like you just happen to notice something about the target or group thats worth mentioning. Being able to spontaneously generate a situational opener within a few secs or the moment I look up from the book/phone is a skill I will teach myself.

I would strongly discourage opening with complimenting or stating the obvious. You=boring, her= umm...thanks....
Also unless she is bringing something with her indicative of such, dont ask a random person where theyre going. When a stranger asks me where Im going I even ignore them and shut them out, cuz I dunno if theyre a stalker or just trying too hard to force conversation.
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