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FR: Cinn’s New Opener
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Author:  Cinnamon Spice [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  FR: Cinn’s New Opener
So I’m in HUB, my university mall and I decide to test my new Opener.
I used this line on three different boys in three different places.
Cinnamon: Hi there.
Boy: Hi (Internal systems on Red alert! Pretty girl is talking to me!)
Cinn: I have a question for you. See my friend and I have been...we've been having words about this issue. Who would win in a fight Superman or SPAM?
So these are the responses I got.
Earring: Totally Superman.
Cinn: See that’s what he says, but SPAM has the kryptonite ring.
Ear: He has a ring?
Cinn: Yeah. After Superman went Rouge the first time he gave SPAM a kryptonite ring.
Ear: Okay. In that case SPAM would win.
Cinn: Yeah that’s what I say. SPAM’s actually got a list or the entire Justice League’s weaknesses.
Ear: Yeah?
Cinn: Yeah. He’s basically their moral compass.
Ear: Well that makes sense. Cause those guys are all super heros so they have a responsibility. SPAM’s just a regular person so it makes sense
I then went on to explain how I’m a total nerd and this is my thing.
We chatted for a while and when I figured that it wasn’t really going to go anywhere I told him it was nice talking to him and left.
I think my problem here was not escalating. I thought of a few lines I could have used to take it beyond there but they never occurred to me.
The next few boys were all sitting and I was standing.
So as if a pretty girl isn’t intimidating enough, now she’s looming over you.
I got a lot of “yeah…” from both of those sets and no real opinions.
I would have locked-in and sat down if I could have, but again I had nothing to transition with that I could also use to lock-in with.

So that’s how my new Opener went. Any opinions?

Cinnamon
Author:  sfpsb10 [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:16 pm ]
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sorry babe i had too
Author:  sfpsb10 [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:19 pm ]
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idk, ur a grl do its totally different for u, and ur using techniques that were made for men, i think, be flirting fun cool, throw iois,

IMO, kino escalating would be HORRIBLE, u would cum off as the biggest skeet,

and not every guy is a pua, but it should be pretty easy too see if there trying to spit game back,

did u get any ioi's?
Author:  Cinnamon Spice [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:36 pm ]
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sorry babe i had too
Holy Crap!
That's the artist of Uzumaki!
Just seeing the expression gave me jitters.

Sorry, was there anything aside from the art? I geeked out too fast to notice.
Author:  Cinnamon Spice [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:42 pm ]
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idk, ur a grl do its totally different for u, and ur using techniques that were made for men, i think, be flirting fun cool, throw iois,

IMO, kino escalating would be HORRIBLE, u would cum off as the biggest skeet,

and not every guy is a pua, but it should be pretty easy too see if there trying to spit game back,

did u get any ioi's?
Okay, first off I didn't mean Kino escalation. Just a way to take the conversation from SPAM to my phone number.

I did gt one big IOI from Earrings. When I mentioned I was a nerd.
Ear: Oh yeah. I have friends who are definatlly into that.
Cinn: Well now you can quiz them.
Ear: Yeah definatlly.

The biggest challenge to Female PU is to avoid looking skanky. It's rough.

Cinnamon
Author:  Mithos [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:16 pm ]
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sorry babe i had too
LMAO!!

Ok... taking this from a guys point of view.. yes it is awesome that a girl did the approaching for once :roll:

But where you went wrong here is talking about SUPERHEROS. Come on.. your in college.. Not that many people are gonna be that enthusiastic about comic book heros (talking from experiance). So your gonna come off as one of those dorky comic book girls.

IMO what you should use is the who do you think lies more guy or girls opener(yes I know its been done over and over, but it works) and tie it in to a person experiance you had. Then to lock in say somthing like "I was gonna go to the library/lunchroom but i dont wanna go alone, you wanna come along?"
Author:  R.G. [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:07 pm ]
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Wow, totally disagree with the above post^^.

The opener is a good one, I use a very similar variation with spiderman involved. Transitioning usually 'happens' with me, I don't think about it. But, a recommendation of mine is to ask them which superhero they would be, then ask them why and start getting them to qualify. You could even integrate kino by feeling their muscle and saying it's mediocre, then transition into asking them if they go to the gym and they will almost definately qualify to you of some sort then.

If you don't want to ask questions too much, just say which superhero you would be, and he will either say which one he'd be or make a comment about you which you can use to your advantage.

Gaming for a girl is so different. If I'm honest I think you'd have to give an SOI at some point if you're sarging AFC's. Otherwise most would just be too scared to ask for your number, assuming you're HB7+. This is assuming you want them to ask. You'd have to make them invest a lot.

When I'm sarging girls who're sitting down I sit down asap, basically if it's an opinion opener, approach, once they give their consent or their first thoughts, respond by starting to talk whilst sitting down with them. You have to match body language asap or you'll have no chance, especially with such a stark difference.
Author:  sfpsb10 [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:17 pm ]
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u woulda known if the super hero thing was a bad idea or not, i didnt sound like it was

so is ur goal to fuck as many guys as possible or hook up with the most desirable ppl possible?

if u just wana fcuk alot i can tell u the tactics these grls use, but wen ur trying to attract guys i feel its totally different from the way guys do it

try doing ur own thing, u dont gotta forget about openers but im pretty sure u gotta try and invent ur own thing,

looks are super important, and personality is worth its weight in gold, so as long as ur kinda cool u should be fine
Author:  sfpsb10 [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:18 pm ]
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oh and btw, if u look great u can just hand a guy ur number on a piece of paper and walk away, thats wat this grl did to me,

i thought it was bold and super cool
Author:  Kalel [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:12 am ]
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It occurs to me that perhaps direct game would be better suited for a woman. I use to have a female friend who would just get up and sit next to guys who were eating alone and start talking to them, not at like a lunch room or anything, like at restaurants and kick back spots after clubbing.

What you may not be realizing is that guys aren't as used to getting picked-up as women are. Good looking women never just approach us for no reason. We immediately assume your trying to sell us something or get us to take a survey or something like that. You need to make your intentions somewhat clear, otherwise most normal guys (and nerds especially) will misunderstand the interaction.

Another thing I noticed was that you were looking for iois. Just because your using game doesn't mean you have to look for iois and not send them yourself. Without iois (the more obvious the better for nerds) guys will not know how to respond to you. If you want any of these techniques to work you must be flirtatious in your actions and speech. Look up info on iois on this forum and figure out which ones are congruent to your personality and implement them.

If you really want to become good at this I suggest you take some time to simply practice the non-verbal aspects of game. Locking eyes, smilely coyly, laughing femininely at unfunny jokes, the forearm pat, bedroom eyes (you master this look and you can get any guy you want), the awkward silence with deep stare, leaning in to listen, standing slightly uncomfortably close. These are things I look for to see if a woman is into me.

Then once you've got them interested, let them chase you (that's what the best puas do). The great part is that at the end, they will think they gamed you not the other way around.
Author:  _Manna_ [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:26 pm ]
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sorry babe i had too
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Author:  R.G. [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:51 pm ]
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I field tested the opener today (I told myself I wouldn't be sarging this month as it's very busy for me, but saw a couple of very hot girls today so couldn't help it) on three different girls in daygame, cold approaches.

I found that it worked well in generating initial interest, but the need to multithread and transition fast and well is so essential in this opener. I don't think of transitions, I let them happen. I noticed in my first approach (was waiting for HB9 to come out the gym with an AFC friend), I approached well, non-verbal communication on the dot, opener was decently-enough executed, but it my 'this-conversation-is-going-nowhere' radar was flashing red pretty damn soon.

Basically It went like this:

Rafiel: "Hey, maybe this girl can help us!" (moving her arm gently to turn her around)
"Well, me and my mate were discussing (paying no attention to girl and looking at friend)...hold on a second, you are a nice person aren't you? Because I only talk to nice people." (If you elicit this state she will conform to it)

HB: "Erm, yeah, I'd like to think so..."

Rafiel: "Excellent. So this is a life and death question...(build tension with pause...)who would win out of SPAM and superman?"

I think it would be worth changing 'you are a nice person aren't you?' to 'you are a creative person' because that would generate better responses to the main opener.

When I sensed the conversation might go stale I just went in with a "What's your name by the way?" (Handshake) "Cool my name's Rafiel, (at this point I make a C&F comment about her handshake or her name. All three times I transitioned with one of those two, don't really know why it just felt right.
Author:  jurupa [ Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:30 am ]
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The opener is fine. You just need to escalate things and actually let the guy know your into him and not let the conversation go into the friend zone.
Author:  The Big Bad Wolf [ Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:44 pm ]
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It's good..

I have to admit.. I'd be stunned to be opened that way by a girl.
I'd love her. I'd want to adopt her and keep her around to say cute stuff.


But that's me.

The opener is kinda direct, which I believe would confound most guys.
But you'll quickly establish what kids would like your games and who wouldn't, and at the same time, it's not so direct that it'd scare people off.

Are you going to continue using it, based on your experiences thus far ?
Author:  Cinnamon Spice [ Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:54 pm ]
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I think I'll keep using it, but as a stacker rather than a straight opener.

"Say while I'm talking to you I need your help on this. It's like, a life-altering question here and I desperately need your help...(Insert opener here)"

That'll make it funnier too. Give them a laugh and show the pretty girl isn't scary at all. Major comfort boost and I could probably nclose right after that too.

"Okay, see I told him! Can I get your number so I can call you if I need you to back me up?"

Then I'd need to transition into sexier topics, and try and build some more attraction.

Cinnamon
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