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Author:  IcingFate [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:25 am ]
Post subject:  IcingFate's PUA & Social Dynamics Journal

Hey guys! I just wanted to make a journal of sorts for myself to keep in one central place. I will report anything Ive done and noticed in field, and will write in the first person


IcingFate: 22 Male, Long Island NY



So my life started out rocky for me. My entire Middle School and High School life, and even long before that, I was always overweight. By the time sophomore year in HS came around i was 6'0 and weighed close to 270 lbs. I was a huge introvert too, I was always shy and basically the few real friends I had came from the football team I played on.

I eventually started to lose weight however, and by my senior year I was down to about 185lbs, a weight I believed I looked the best at. I was still that shy person, but I soon got into my first relationship that lasted for 1 year and 3 months. For the first time I started being liked by a girl. My life and everything I had went into her. When that ended I quickly jumped into another relationship in less than a month, and that next one lasted for 2 years and 3 months. When that one finally ended, again, just 1 month later I was in another relationship for 1 year and 1 month.

Eventually I realized what I had done. Before I had a chance to explore and experience the new me, I had jumped from relationship to relationship because I didnt want to be alone. I didnt have to be, girls liked me now simply because I looked attractive. NOTHING NEW INSIDE OF ME GREW (a point I want to touch on later). I wanted to keep feeling loved by others so much that I immediately spent nearly 4 1/2 years straight in relationships.


My last girlfriend destroyed me. Not necessarily because I loved her any more than the previous two (I loved all of my girlfriends unconditionally and in total euphoria), but because I found out she had sent pictures of herself to some guy, and had arranged plans to meet with him. That relationship ended abruptly.

Yet once again I soon found myself talking to another girl. This new girl I found myself talking to would go on to be the last girl that I have ever TRULY cared about. It has been that way for almost 9 months now. She was the last girl that I had these same feelings that I had with all my previous girlfriends. We never officially went out, but we talked every day and saw each other nearly every other day. She was, and still is to this day, probably the most gorgeous person I have ever seen. Honest to God she was an HB12, I'm getting hung up on her looks again just thinking about her. (Her personality was about a C though, looking back she didn't have much depth)

This went on for about three months and she started to turn cold on me. It slowly deteriorated and she told me she didnt really want to be with me like that (I was still an AFC needing relationships). I started reading "The Game" a few weeks before this thing with her ended and I had conflicting ways to go about things with her. My natural responses to things with her were classic AFC, and yet the game was telling me to try not do these things. Looking back I knew exactly what I was doing wrong with her. I was 22, she was 20. She was saving up for a brand new car (which she eventually got) So i would drive over to her town, about 20 minutes away, to see her. Once I was there i had no idea of anything to do in the town so left all the situations up to her

Author:  IcingFate [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:17 am ]
Post subject:  Hooking Up With #4's Friend - March 13th-ish, 2013

Things had definitely with #4 relationship-wise. She didnt want anything like that from me anymore.. But we were still in the same social circle. I was growing mad at her for being so cold to me lately, and she had become very off-putting. Eventually she had a party at her house because her parents were off on some trip oversees. The only thing I got was a fb invite and a group text from her telling me about it. When i asked if i could bring a friend along with me she replied "no." I would later find out from another one of my friends that she had said "she never even wanted me to go in the first place.. She only invited me because I was part of the group." Which is something I believe because of how turned off to me she had become


And Yet, the Night Was One of the Greatest Paybacks Ever....

(Keep in mind I had been reading about PUA for a little over a month now, and this was my first time going out with it)

As soon as I showed up to the party, I immediately went over to my small group of friends. (I said hi to her as well, but i remember her responding very cold and with no eye contact.) So I'm chatting it up with a friend and a group of dudes suddenly show up to the party with a huge stuffed teddy bear that they say they've won at the carnival. They place it right next to where me and my friend are standing and walk away. Two girls are right next to us talking about it, and i open them:

Me: That Bear needs a name, what should we name it?
Girls: blahblah blah... why what do you think we should name it?
Me: Hmm.. I think it looks like a "Jupiter", or maybe a "Saturn"
One of the girls: "OMG wow that's so deep of you..."
Me: Haha well I am a very deep person... ;)


Weirdly easy right off the bat, but i wasnt putting any pressure on myself. Im talking to these girls probably for 5-10 minutes, and I can tell the HB7 is interested in me, and looking back the HB8.5 was giving me IOIs and solid/flirtatious eye contact as well. But I eventually took off and joined the party games at the flip cup table.

I eventually befriended the entire table that was filled all with people I've never met before (They were mostly guys and maybe 3 girls including the HB7 who was into me). I was dominating in flip-cup-wise and was carrying myself well in keeping up with everyone in terms of conversation and input.

Eventually this one guy enters the party with a group of 3 or 4 guy friends behind him. He was taller than me by about 3 or 4 inches, with a bigger, stockier and more muscular build. The dude took up space, and was such a stereotypical AMOG. His AMOG like appearance and attitude was something to stop and look at. He joins the table and you can literally feel him start to control it. But i keep up well and eventually we become friendly. Not enough to be buddies afterwards, but enough for girl #4 (who had been ignoring me the entire night, except for the time when she came up to me telling me to stop changing the music on the stereo), to come up to me and say:

Her: Do you know who that is...?
Me: No, who..?
Her: That is my exboyfriend.. (She looks straight into my eyes gauging my response)
Me: (I reply calmly) oh haha... cool (While remaining unphased)
She then walks away without saying anything as I return to playing

I proceed to party into the night until i met this other Gorgeous girl, an HB9.9, she was adorable in a cute way with a nice body and long silky brunette hair. She was tall, maybe 5-8, but she didnt have that super-twig, stereotypical-model look to her. She had the body type you would expect to see on a healthy girl, with nice curves but a little more tone to it, and a nice filled face. Her looks DEFINITELY competed with #4, and she was probably the second hottest girl there. We bonded over playing with the dog inside by ourselves for about 15 minutes, joking about who the dog liked more. Eventually the guy she came with came in and interrupted us. However me and the girl were visible through the sliding door that led to the back the entire time, we couldnt have done anything even if we wanted to. The dude looked dorky. She later assured me that they werent dating, although I assumed he was probably either a desperate Ex or a desperate friend. I would go on to get her phone number when she was leaving. She lived upstate a couple hours away and was only down for the weekend, so i texted her the next day, "Hey its IcingFate, it was nice to meet you last night! =]", unfortunately i did not get a response. Had i known all the things from the Game that I know now i would have built more of a connection with her at the party and then when i texted her made it something witty.. Maybe planted an inside joke during the party that i would be able to turn to.


Lets Rap it up! (It gets interesting!)

So the party is winding down, but theres still probably 20 people or so. I break off with the HB7 from earlier on in the party. Shes obviously drunk by now, and says:

Her: "I cant do anything with you... I want to but I cant..."
Me: You cant? Why is that?
Her: Im not supposed to tell you..., #4 will get mad at me...
Me: Tell me what?
Her: #4 Told us we cant talk to you because youre bad... You'll hook up with anyone
Me: She told you what???
Her: Yeah she told all of the girls here at the party


So the host of the party, who over a month previously told me she didnt want to be with me, told all the girls at the party not to do anything with me. When she saw me at the party, she actually started telling all of the girls behind my back "Hey, do not get with that guy, he will **** anything" A mutual friend in our group confirmed this and even saw it happening. (The mutual friend was her best friend, we were the merging of two groups and were on opposite sides, but she came clean about it with me) The entire time I had no idea....


So Me and HB7 eventually walk out the front yard, and continue:
Her (By now shes struggling not to do anything): I cant im really not supposed to... I cant.... But wait..
We begin to make out for about a minute.

Suddenly some guy from the backyard comes to the front and asks us:
"Hey do you guys know where IcingFate is? #4 Is looking for him..."

I joking reply, "Nah.. I have no idea who that is" and me and the girl share a laugh
Him: (Believing me) Oh, someone told me he went out to the front but i dont know what he looks like, but she's looking for him.
Me: Im just kidding, its me, ill go talk to her...

I go to #4, who is sitting down and cant even make eye contact with me, and ask her "Do you want me to leave..?" She wont even look up or reply, and she only shakes her head yes

I reply "So ill leave, its your house Im not going to start any trouble here.. have a good night." I say goodbye to her brother, whom I had been bonding with also during the night, and leave.


...And as im leaving HB7 is still waiting for me in the front and we make out again before I leave =]



First Newbie Results:
2 Numbers (Both wound up being flakes)
1 Hook-up
1 Awesome time and story!

Author:  IcingFate [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IcingFate's PUA & Social Dynamics Journal

I started this journal because I wanted to share this piece of knowledge that I learned recently and put to good use. I will probably edit this post later and repost it after a few more stories before this because I want to go in order. But this past few weeks, I have been to two parties at the same house, with very similar people. This is how i used my knowledge to my advantage, in the most PRFOUND and AWESOME way possible.


Let me first say that I now FIRMLY believe that Social Proofing is the first thing you should do as SOON as you enter a room. You do this through body language, which I have been studying very recently. I highly highly highly recommend studying body lagnuage because not only can you fix the unconscious signals you are giving off, but you can also begin to read other people.. and that is when it becomes awesome...


At the end of this, I will have had:
The most attractive girl at the party seeking me
A friend of mine's girlfriend asking me if Im single (Im assuming she was asking for her friend that she was there with) Her friend stayed within proximity with me while i was playing BP, but I didnt approach because she was maybe a 6, and she seemed turned off to the party going on around her/maybe scared or tense would be the right words. Maybe I should have but the end result made no impact on my game that night


Anyway, Part 1 of the Series: I make mistakes in my game

I show up to the party, things are going good. I know maybe 30% of the people there so i begin talking to the people I know. There are people from highs chool I know but were never really friends with, and we stay a part from each other. Me and an old friend of mine (whom I hadnt seen probably in over a year, I had no idea he was coming and we were never really that close) begin to fancy one girl in particular. I personally think she looks strikingly similar to the mother in How I Met Your Mother, shes not your traditional, stereotypical looking hot chick, but she has something about her that makes her look unique and attractive. Me and this friend know what the other is thinking, and we agree to the terms:

"May the Best Man Win, and Whoever Does, Congratulations to Them"

Im pretty sure we literally shook hands at this haha, and so it began. She was with her best girl friend that night, the two appeared to be lifelong friends. They were both nice, and the obstacle was very open and receptive to me. Whil i did this he did what EVERY OTHER SINGLE GUY was doing to her that night, coming up to her, talking to her and trying to impress her. This first party had a bad ratio of guys-to-girls, so it was very competitive. Yet all the guys seemed to be doing the same thing to her. I was hell-bent on not becoming one of those same guys that just went up to her, because I was sure somebdoy else would come along minutes later and i would blend in from them. Probably the best strategy right?

Ehh..

My friend kept staying close to her the whole night, touching her as much as he could and talking to her as much as possible. I think he had saw it as a competition and was more inclined to be more assertive with her. He has no experience in PUA and has no idea that I am aware of it. I did have a SUPER SECRET way to blow up someones game that i learned very recently and i was contemplating using on my friend, but I held off on using it (that is until the second party...) Anyway he basically hogged her the whole night, and i stayed back because I didnt want to come off as the same way, when shes on high-alert from all of the other guys coming after her. Instead i stay sociable with the friend (and at this point in time I hope it wasnt too much, but more on that later) and try to be in with her.

The day ends with no success. through asking around about 4 people got her phone number (including my friend) and the next day I see like 7 of my guy friends that were at the party add her on facebook. (I on the other hand, trying to be different, do not). But i take note of it.


Part 2 of the Series: I Play the Game, Hard

Fast-forward to last weekend. I had been studying game harder than normal again recently, specifically topics on body language. I wanted to go into this party right off the bat STRONG and build a strong social proof. I am going to be THE party, and all of the topics I've learned are going to be testes. I see on the facebook event that the girl and her friend are going, so i need to bring my A-Game. It is the hosts birthday party.

I prepare by going out and updating my wardrobe, starting with new shoes, new pants, and a new shirt all for the party (I needed new clothes anyway). I complimented it with a nice faux leather jacket i got earlier in the week that i had already gotten a few compliment on, and my trademark Dinosaur Necklace.

Im Prepared.

I listen to pump up music in my car outside the house preparing for an awesome night (something Gambler's book talks about, about getting in "The Zone". I walk up to the house with a small bottle of expensive Ciroc Red Berry Vodka (The host told me it was his favorite vodka last party when he was piss drunk). I walk up to everybody at the party and hand it to him in a gift bag. He opens it and makes a scene:

Him: No way! Ciroc Red Berry this is my favorite! How Did you know?!
Me: I asked you last week, but I waited till you were already drunk so youd forget
Him: Oh wow, I can believe you got me my favorite vodka! You got me a birthday present!
Me: Yeah haha, the only thing is we need to take a shot off it together right now
Him: Yeah definitely! We go up to the kitchen and he gathers a few people on the way and makes me, him and a couple other people some drinks. (Note to Everbody: Ciroc Red Berry is DELICIOUS! Especially mixed with Redbull)


Boom. Instead acceptance from the head authority figure. Me and him instantly become best friends for the night. I open up a couple of girls saying have you tried this drink? Its delicious, Ciroc red Berry and Vodka, (the host) made it for me

Ontop if this i make grand entrances and encounters with everybody I even remotely know, and i act like were old best friends who havent seen eachother in years. I do this to probably 6 people and spend about 20 seconds with them atleast each. Im opening up the entire party

I see the hot chick from last party in the kitchen talking to her girlfriend, and I immediately open them with a genuine smile and a hug for each.

I go off to play some beer pong in the kitchen and the girl (Well call her HB9, even though I dont see her as a HB, I see her as a genuine heartfelt person, and not someone to just sleep with. My inferences tell me this.) along with her friend stand near me and the party host (who is now my BP partner because weve become best friends for the night) I talk to them as i play beer pong when HB9 comments on my Dinosaur necklace

Her: Is that a Dinosaur on your neck?
Me: Why yes it is, thank you for noticing ;)
Her: Haha why do you have a dinosaur?
Me: Because it symbolizes the evolution of not just the human race, but of ourselves....
Her: ohh...
Me: Nah im just kidding haha, dinosaurs are awesome as ****!
Her: Oh haha
Me: Yea, (She has a necklace on as well) what is that... is that a... a moon? (As i grab it and lean in for a closer look
Her: Yeah haha
Me: What does that symbolize?
Her: Nothing haha, just moon
Me: We should switch necklaces for the night, do you want to? I need mine back though please dont steal it. its VERY important to me
Her: (Some snide remark about how oh yeah a dinosaur must be real important to you)


I put the necklace on her myself and her friend helps me with mine.

Boom, a lock-in prop.


My old friend from story 1 comes in and asks her about the dinosaur necklace she has on, and she says its mine and that we switched. He looks up and says "Oh" and it was the most awkward, yet one of the most memorable moments of the night haha

The rest of the night im jumping from group to group because Ive opened all of them early on, and whenever i look over i catch her looking at my so many more times than before. I believe the lock-in prop was huge. Something i did well in the last party was switch groups often and have people calling for me, being socially "in-demand", but this time she noticed it. I see my old friend keeping close proximity with her, chatting her up every so often at the party. When he goes away for a bit, I decide to launch something I learned from Adam Lyons (Youtube Metaphysics, this part starts around 9:30min)

I approach her with a big goofy smile..
Me: So, you and (old friend), huh...??? ;) speaking with huge enthusiasm
Her: (looking confused) huh? what do you mean?
Me: Come on! Its obvious! (as I keep a big smile and speak with big exagerration) you two, like that?? yes or no?
Her: With a weird look on her face, shakes her head no and says "No, we're just friends"


Another Boom. I think she already knew he liked her, but if she didnt i had just blown up his spot. Even if maybe by some off chance she was, her saying that aloud would be affirming it in her own mind that they were just friends (psychology is awesome)


I spent the rest of night getting enjoying myself and playing BP against her and her friend. Eventually we got off on a "Who has prettier eyes contest", in which i dragged her around and asked nearly every single person at the party "who has prettier eyes, MEEE? (eccentuating it) or her (downplaying my tone)? Many people of whom i didnt even know before said me. One guy who chose me was like "Bro i dont know who you are but good luck man shes gorgeous haha", he was trying to help me out. Another person, who i think was a stranger, pushed us back together when we were drifting off and said "you two are the most attractive people here" To which the girl smiled.

Anyway that ended and i opened her the next day with:

Me:"There is no way you actually beat me in our most attractiveness competition... I was obviously the most attractive man at that party."
Her: "lol well I definitely won but lets leave it as you were the most attractive man and I was the most attractive girl"

I opened her on facebook because I hadnt gone for the phone number (like i should have, i honestly cant remember why i didnt, i guess i didnt think it was the right time... amateur-ish) But we got into a pretty deep conversation and then i told her i was at work and was returning to break, and she should text me at _______. The next day she did with a hey whats up :) . The conversation has ended over text about three times now and each time I would bring it back up and we would again have deep conversations. This is a girl i would like to possibly date because of how genuine she appears to be. A book that has helped me to be more aware and make better inferences on people, along with her body language, tell me that she is a genuine, caring family oriented person. Shes in school to be a elementary teacher and was a teachers aid at an elementary this past semester (caring for kids which infers a family orientation) Her body language at the party seemed almost like she was out of place, nervous, and a little scared in that area, like she wasnt a hard partyer.. Just an honest girl looking to have a fun time with friends.

I will update this story more later as it develops :!:

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