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Author:  JakeLewis [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:15 am ]
Post subject:  First proper night as a successful wing

Okay so I should set the scene - my best mate is never a proper "wing" since he isn't involved in the community, but having learnt so much and wanting to try out some of the stuff I had read I decided to make a go of it for him and myself as a learning exercise. Sorry this is long, but wanted to make my field report as conclusive as possible to get the best feedback =)

So, how did we get here - at pre-drinks before a night out at university, a mutual friend who is now seeing one of my old f-buddies, brings round two girls (7/10 & 6/10), it became quite obvious to me that the 7/10 was my mates target, i definitely wasn't feeling the 6/10 not for lack of a good body, but her face just looks SO much like one of my ex's from when I was a total AFC, and so in my head she was immediately classified to "Friendzone" (Yeah that's right girls, guys can do it too haha).

Anyway, I thought I would try out some of the new stuff that i learnt from you guys and reading various articles/books etc recommended. Started by leading the frame's mood (Happy/Fun), with relaxed and leaned back body language, while the drink started flowing, throwing in a few negs inbetween general conversation with them. Stuff like - "You two are so weird together, if I didn't know better i'd say you were lesbians" & "Don't worry, it's a well known fact lesbians aren't good at this game" (Of course all while smiling etc, they responded well to these in general - HB7: "We're not gay" HB6: "Oh, break my heart HB7", Good banter.

Skipping ahead slightly, maintained frame and tried to keep check of my body language, kept having to remind myself not to lean in and to instead speak louder, which I guess will come with practice more naturally.
Luckily, the HB7 smoked as well, so we had an excuse to isolate them both throughout the night without coming off creepily.

Banter comes out while playing I have never that the HB6 is known for SQUIRTING with guys, some pokemon Squirtle banter comes out, always a laugh haha, I re-frame as i can tell this is upsetting the HB6 by saying "you know its actually kind of interesting as not many girls can do that sort of thing" [Not sure if this was correct, or if I was actually doing badly here, so let me know]. After that I moved the conversation back to drinking games, and then started to fluff - How do you know X (my friend)? blah blah blah.

When we get to the club, we split from the girls and go and talk to our friends get drinks etc, and didn't see them for the first part of the night to be honest, my friend was getting nervous since they hadn't approached us since we got back in the club, but I just told him to go find them try it on since we had to leave soon anyway due to next day work commitments.

They suddenly appear when we get back to the dance floor, and I separate HB6 from her friend so that my mate can dance with HB7, surprisingly I get along very well with her HB6, and I keep her attention on me by teaching her how to dance a little, making fun of her dancing etc and then showing her how to body pop and lock, which allows my mate to build more kino with this other girl. However, he makes a rookie mistake and makes a bet with his girl that I will kiss this HB6 with a BF of 2 years by the end of the night, no idea why.
So now I really have to work to make this HB6 more attracted and less aware of the fact I am trying to hit on her.

[side to the story - I read that hooking your thumbs in your back pockets when you walk around anywhere gives you a better posture, so tried that, definitely felt a bit more alpha but not really any visible results that I could see (IOI's from others in the club etc)]

We go for a cigarette in the smoking area, we joke about how they "abandoned" us earlier, and how hurt we are (really fake reaction while smiling). I tell HB6 (I'll call her squirtle from now on, haha) that i'm cold and low and behold kino's by hugging my arm, we end up arm in arm and i continue to neg - "Your shoes look kind of gothic"- (big heaving clumpy things which kind of looked a tiny bit like brogues but not enough to be fashionable in any sense of the word. She picks up on this and starts to work it into the conversation with stuff like "Us goths, we love being in the smoking area with you guys" etc etc.
By the end of the night she's saying stuff like "Oh i'll dress up nice for you next time, less gothic =)"

I tried a BF destroy pattern that i'd read about in Magic Bullets, (I think it was Magic Bullets), by asking about her BF, if they were happy, and then saying that "it's good that your BF gives you everything you need so you're not bored =)" - [General principle was that attacking her BF will make her defensive, but creating overestimations of how good a BF he is to her will lower her resistance to my presence and also means that she will begin to think about how he doesn't fufil the higher standard of BF that I expect him to be]. She engaged in more kino later on, kisses on cheeks and holding my face when she was talking to me in the club, so I guess it helped but I can't tell to what extent to be honest, but a good test anyway.

Because I genuinely wasn't interested in this girl in a sexual way, my kino (getting her to hold my arm in smoking, hugging because it was cold etc) actually worked better, and I even negged her on her lack of eye contact and MADE her hold eye contact more saying "I'm just trying to improve your awkwardness around guys" haha, joking about by moving my eyebrows up and down and winking in the middle of it.

I realised I broke the body language a bit more during the night and started to lean in which I realise now was a mistake, but live and learn. Anyway continued to isolate Squirtle from her friend while my friend sarged HB7 and low and behold K-close for my mate, which kept happening during the night after that. I learned the importance of Isolation last night, and the importance of having a wing you can count on. As my mate definitely would not have been able to K-close if Squirtle had been around interupting them.

End of the night, I have her lipstick all over my cheeks, great social proof, and just before I left managed to squeeze a kiss on the lips out of her by making a point that she wouldn't see me again for a while.

As an endnote - I wanted to ask about something else I said - I said something to make squirtle more interested once I had enough escalation and kino like "it's a shame I didn't meet you when you were single, as you are someone i'd like to get to know better", In my head that sounded so AFC now, or was this right to do to build interest?

In all, I think I learned more as a wing than I would have if I had been sarging the HB7, I think I would have been too much in my own head if I was attracted to Squirtle. Key points i learnt : ISOLATION IS KEY, NEGS CREATE GOOD BANTER(funny conversation), and a bit more about how KINO ESCALATION can be useful.

Would really like to hear any feedback / constructive critisicm to help improve! Thanks Guys!

Jake

Author:  notreallyaPUA [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: First proper night as a successful wing

Your friend is lucky he has such a loyal wingman, congratulations! Every time I listen to stories like these it reminds me that the definite obstacle when it comes to approaching and attracting women is ourselves, noted that every single time you're hitting on a girl you're not really that attracted to they seem to dig us much more easily.

But without further sidetracking, I'd say that line you mentioned isn't really AFC material, but can be rather a subtle neg if said correctly. To me it could go along the lines of Mytery's "You remind me of a girlfriend I had in highschool, I can't talk to you right know", where he negs the target by implying that he could be attracted to her but they can't be together. I guess it comes down to HOW you say it, how you make it sound.

Again congrats on the night!

Author:  JakeLewis [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First proper night as a successful wing

Quote:
Your friend is lucky he has such a loyal wingman, congratulations! Every time I listen to stories like these it reminds me that the definite obstacle when it comes to approaching and attracting women is ourselves, noted that every single time you're hitting on a girl you're not really that attracted to they seem to dig us much more easily.

But without further sidetracking, I'd say that line you mentioned isn't really AFC material, but can be rather a subtle neg if said correctly. To me it could go along the lines of Mytery's "You remind me of a girlfriend I had in highschool, I can't talk to you right know", where he negs the target by implying that he could be attracted to her but they can't be together. I guess it comes down to HOW you say it, how you make it sound.

Again congrats on the night!

Thanks man, really appreciate the feedback, so good to get a second opinion. What did you think about the squirting re-frame before -

"you know its actually kind of interesting as not many girls can do that sort of thing" ?

Wasn't sure if I played this right when I could tell she was getting embarrassed or whether we should have just continued to neg and risk her getting annoyed?

I completely agree with the whole "we are our only obstacles" thing, especially when approaching sets, there's no such thing as a bitch - there are only mistakes we made. For example even if you caught her in a shit mood and she is verbally a bitch to you, you could have played that approach differently to work off of her mood rather than trying to push past it into your opener. Its all about how well you read her before the approach :)

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