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Looking forward to the updates, I'm in Canada too, also a big university town, new to the game, much to learn

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I really have moved away from a lot of the material that I've read about in the past. What I have really focused on is just trying to be the best version of me that I can. I feel that you have to work on yourself first. I think that 'inner game' is so important, because you need confidence and a strong belief in yourself to be successful not only in pickup, but life in general. That's not to say that a lot of the PUA stuff has no value, it's just that I just know what works for me and what feels right and natural for me personally.

This is quite true I found the same for me. Once I built up my inner game I could apply PUA theory a lot more easily and "naturally".

What's the best ways you found to develop your inner game?

I can relate, sometimes I also pass up opportunity because I was in my head, over analyzing everything.
And so what I learned that made everything alot easier was to follow the '3 second rule', when I follow that, I find myself less nervous &more confident.
Great stuff!

Thanks for sharing, learned quite a few things from these posts!
Sometimes I miss the opportunity at first, and I feel a little awkward when I open sets(after like 2-5 minutes), any idea how I can improve?

Author:	VV Cephei [ Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:53 pm ]
Post subject:	VV Cephei's Journal - University Day Game
I decided to come back and start another journal. I had an old journal that was a few pages long, but it's long buried and forgotten about now, so I figured I'd just start fresh. Most of my game will be day game taking place on a University Campus in Canada. I may go out for a bit of night game here and there, but I don't drink and am not really into clubbing/bars all that much. A brief background about me: I consider myself to be a good conversationalist, even though I've never been a really outgoing guy, and certainly not the 'life of the party' type of person. But, with one-on-one interactions or small groups, I have no problems talking to people. I used to be a very shy person, so approaching a girl during the day at school is something that I would never even consider. As I've gotten older, I've come out of my shell much more. But there are certainly more improvements that I can make to myself, and my game in general. I was training in muay thai, but all the cardio and endurance training got me on the skinny side, so for the last several months I've modified my diet and been training very hard lifting weights. I've made some excellent gains in the gym, and have a pretty good body now. By most people's standards, I'd be considered a good looking guy. I'm also very fortunate in that I look very young for my age. I do have a pretty high lay count, however, at the time of writing my last journal, I had a self-imposed sort of dry spell where I hadn't been laid in a few years. I gave up drinking etc and just sort of took myself out of the scene for awhile and didn't bother with chicks. Thanks to plenty of fish, I got a few lays over the summer, and that's helped to regain some confidence and get things rolling in the right direction. So now I'm bigger and in the best shape I've been in since a long time, a few recent lays under my belt with some renewed confidence, and now I'm ready to keep things moving in a positive direction at school. I've been recently inspired by reading Daniel Balboa's journal, and that's given me the motivation to start journalling here again. I've also found that journalling my diet and workouts has made a night and day difference with my training, so I know there is a benefit in doing this. I do need to work on being a bit more aggressive and making my intentions known when I first meet a girl. I do a great job at being a cool, polite, friendly guy, but I could see how some girls could be left wondering if I like them, or I'm just a friendly dude that's chatting them up. Once I'm at the point of the first kiss, I have no problems with escalation from there. My game is pretty laid back and casual. I open using situational things, or some casual friendly conversation. I'll also occasionally open with other indirect things like asking about an event, directions, or something school related. I'm fairly selective on who I open, because it's at school and I don't want to be 'that guy' that's seen running around hitting on every chick. So, in summary, I'm heading back to University for some day game! And here's a tl;dr summary: The good: I'm a good looking guy that works out and is in good shape. I have a pretty high lay count and am pretty good at talking with people. I generally don't get nervous when talking or interacting with chicks. The bad: I do still get approach anxiety sometimes, and as a result, I sometimes let opportunities slip by that I should have acted on. I need to be a bit more aggressive and make my intentions known. The ugly: I'm in my thirties! lol Recent 'gaming' School has started a week and a half ago. Each of the first two days, I made a few simple approaches and had a brief conversation but didn't get any phone numbers. On the third day, I approached this really hot blonde girl. She seemed into me right away, and we talked for about 15 minutes until she had to go to class. I suggested that we meet up for a drink, so she offered her number and on Tuesday of this past week we met up on campus. About 20 minutes after meeting up with her, I found out that she has a boyfriend that lives in a different country - she's from overseas too. I must say, hearing that took a bit of the wind out of my sails, and we hung out for about an hour and a half, but I didn't feel that there was much there unfortunately. I had high hopes after how good our initial 15 minute conversation went, but things seemed to have fizzled out. I've texted her since then, but odds aren't looking too good that I'll be seeing her again. Oh well. Looking back, I probably should have ignored that fact that she had a boyfriend, made my own intentions more clear, and perhaps been a little more flirty or sexual with my conversation and actions. As it was, we basically just talked about boring fluff talk for most of the time. It may or may not have mattered, who knows, but live and learn. I have another girl on the go from Plenty of fish that likes me, but she's a 6 or 7 at best, wants a relationship, and lives an hour away. So I'm not too sure if anything will end up coming out of that. I'm looking forward to making things happen this week at school. I'll probably end up doing daily updates for this journal. Stay tuned!

Author:	HBU [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:16 am ]
Post subject:	Awesome
Looking forward to the updates, I'm in Canada too, also a big university town, new to the game, much to learn

Author:	VV Cephei [ Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:17 am ]
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Quote: Looking forward to the updates, I'm in Canada too, also a big university town, new to the game, much to learn Well I hope to have some interesting things to write about! I thought I'd make a post about my thoughts on game and a little about my recent history with it. I first discovered this PUA community in November of last year. At first I read quite a lot of material. I read "The Game" by Neil Strauss, I read up on mystery method and watched several videos on youtube as well as read a lot of information on this site as well as a few others. I filled up a notebook with quotes, paragraphs, and various tidbits of information that I found useful or inspirational. Like I mentioned in my first post, I had a dry spell for quite awhile where I didn't even bother getting out there trying to score chicks. I found out that being away from the game for awhile really set me back, and as a result, the first few approaches I did in the early winter I felt like a stuttering, scared shitless schoolboy all over again. I really have moved away from a lot of the material that I've read about in the past. What I have really focused on is just trying to be the best version of me that I can. I feel that you have to work on yourself first. I think that 'inner game' is so important, because you need confidence and a strong belief in yourself to be successful not only in pickup, but life in general. That's not to say that a lot of the PUA stuff has no value, it's just that I just know what works for me and what feels right and natural for me personally. When I first discovered the site, I had all these things written down like small routines, one-liners, and a sort of structured order in how I wanted to take an interaction. But what I found was that after I got through the first handful of shaky openers and brief nervous conversations, I sort of settled into my own natural ability to hold a conversation. So as time went on and I began talking with more girls, I seemed to rely less and less on my 'notes' because at least for me personally, the hardest part was just getting over the initial fear or approach anxiety and doing it. I found that when I opened a girl, as long as I focused on talking slowly, enunciating my words and being clear and confident, the rest of it went fairly smoothly. I'm only saying what has seemed to work for me and what feels natural. Even though I've been laid a lot in the past, most of it has come from days gone by when I used to drink and go to bars etc. I racked up a few new notches in the summer, and that has certainly helped my confidence after my long dry spell. This day game is still an entirely new thing for me, and I'm still in the learning curve stages of getting better as I get more practice. I only really began to get moderately comfortable with approaching during the final few weeks of school last year in the spring. As I mentioned before, I am pretty selective on who I open at school as I don't want to be known as 'that guy', or even worse, 'that old guy' that's seen running around hitting on all the chicks. But thankfully I still look like a twenty-something so I'm still able to blend in fairly well so it's really not that big of a deal. I usually will only approach girls who are by themselves sitting around, and usually in places where there is a little bit of space so there is not a person sitting two feet away listening in on what I'm saying. That's just the way that I've been comfortable doing it so far. As I get even more experience and confidence at day game, I'd like to expand a little and try opening girls that are with a friend or two as well as moving targets so that I can increase my chances so I spend less time sitting around and waiting for the 'perfect opportunities' that I sometimes wait for now. I'd even like to start to move into being direct shortly after I open. For example, I'd tell a girl that I think she's cute or attractive shortly after I open with a situational opener so that at that point she knows my intentions and there is no confusion or guessing as to what I'm after. I say this because I've felt that one of my weak points with the conversations that I have is that I might come across as just a friendly guy, so I'd like to be a bit more assertive in that regard. I like opening with situational openers or somewhat indirect stuff because it allows me to gauge the girls interest in talking to me. A lot of the reason why I like that is because it allows me to bail on a chick that shows little interest in talking to me and I can still get away from the interaction without it appearing like I've been hitting on her. It just lowers the 'rejection' that I feel, and for me keeping positive thoughts and avoiding rude rejections will keep my confidence up and my head in the right place. But overall, I'm very happy with my progress, because now it isn't really a big deal to me if I casually open a girl, whereas last winter my heart would have been in my throat and I would have been ten times as nervous as I am now. Well, tomorrow is the start of a new week, and I think that at least for now, I'll probably be doing daily updates for the most part.

Author:	WarlockTim [ Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:33 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Awesome
Quote: Quote: I really have moved away from a lot of the material that I've read about in the past. What I have really focused on is just trying to be the best version of me that I can. I feel that you have to work on yourself first. I think that 'inner game' is so important, because you need confidence and a strong belief in yourself to be successful not only in pickup, but life in general. That's not to say that a lot of the PUA stuff has no value, it's just that I just know what works for me and what feels right and natural for me personally. This is quite true I found the same for me. Once I built up my inner game I could apply PUA theory a lot more easily and "naturally". What's the best ways you found to develop your inner game? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shy College Student Loses His Virginity: http://track.spam.php?c=10&k ... itydaygame

Author:	VV Cephei [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:29 pm ]
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Quote: This is quite true I found the same for me. Once I built up my inner game I could apply PUA theory a lot more easily and "naturally". What's the best ways you found to develop your inner game? I would say it's about looking in the mirror, taking an objective look at yourself and improve all the areas that you can. Working out and getting in the best shape you can is always going to boost your self esteem and give you added confidence. For some people it can mean going shopping and updating your wardrobe, getting a new more stylish haircut if you're lacking in that area. And I would rather spend 15 minutes out there talking to a girl than 15 hours reading about it in front of the computer. That's not to say reading isn't good, because it is, but sometimes people don't spend enough time out there actually doing it vs reading about it. I used an analogy to a friend of mine recently. I said it's like watching youtube videos to learn how to ride a bike. Sure you'll get some good information and tips, but the real progress is made when you get out there and actually sit on one and start to pedal. Watching videos or reading about it alone won't make you a good rider. But in a nutshell, it's just about self improvement, and everyone will have different areas or different things that they can and should work on. I believe in never ending self improvement, because no matter how old you are, or how 'good' you become, there will always be things that you can do to expand and grow as a person.

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Author:	VV Cephei [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:42 pm ]
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Monday I missed a few opportunities today that I should have acted on. I briefly opened a girl last week, and had a very short conversation with her by just commenting on something that was going on at the school. I saw her sitting down on a ledge, I passed by her and stopped and sat down near her. I sort of messed up because I stopped and sat down too far from her, I kept walking past her too far before I sat down. From where I was at that point, it was kind of far to sort of yell over, and I felt kind of weird about shuffling over closer. Anyways, she left a few moments later. Another one I missed was first thing in the morning as I was walking in. A cute brunette was sitting by herself, but I just kept walking. My excuse at the time was that it was 8:30 in the morning and I was on my way to get a tea and was still pretty tired. Still, it's an opportunity that I passed up. That's about it for the day, and I did leave somewhat disappointed in myself. One of my areas that I'd like to improve is that I'll often sit down beside or near a girl that I'm going to talk to but wait too long until I actually open. I'd like to appear a bit more spontaneous and say something much sooner or right away. There have been times where I've caught myself looking over at her several times before I finally say something. I'm not like that all the time, but that's one thing that I need to be mindful of. In the past, I used to have that problem a lot. I'd make eye contact with a girl, but I'd do nothing. And a few minutes later we'd make eye contact again, but still I'd do nothing. So after that I'd keep looking over trying to see if she'd look again, but often by that point she'd given up. I need to just say fuck it more often and just do it. Anyways, I can't realistically expect to pick up every day, a guy my age is probably lucky to pick up at all at school! lol. But seriously, I need to step up my daygame a bit more. I'm still a little rusty as it's the beginning of the year, but I'll see what I can do for the rest of the week.

Author:	VV Cephei [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:12 am ]
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Tuesday A better day than yesterday, but no real success to report. The two 'approaches' that I made today were done in the library. This is actually a pretty good area to meet girls, and I think I'll spend more time in this particular section. Not only will it give me a chance to do some reading etc which I need to do, but it also puts me in a position to meet girls. There are a lot of tables in this section, and there are usually 4 seats to a table. The library is always packed, so if you can squeeze in on a table, people come and go a lot, so there is always a fresh person who will come and ask you if i'ts ok if they sit down. Sometimes you can get lucky and a cute girl will sit right at your table, then at that point, it's very easy to open, because usually she'll be the one that 'opens' you by asking if she can sit down. Girl 1 I walked into the section I was just talking about, and began to look around for empty spots. In the distance I spot a girl sitting by herself at a four person table. Perfect, just the type of opportunity I've been waiting for. I walk up and ask her if anyone's sitting there, she says no, so I sit down. Now people are generally there to read or study, even though I'm in the 'conversation' section where you don't have to be quiet, but I'm somewhat cautious about busting into conversation right away as I don't want to bother someone the moment I take a seat. I'd rather ease into it and 'test the waters' a bit with a word or two as I sit down. Well this time after I made a short comment or two when I initially sat down about how busy the library was, I opened my books and did my own thing for the next five minutes. Unfortunately, I notice her packing up her stuff to leave. So I said a few words to her as she was packing up. She seemed friendly, but I didn't get any real strong vibes that she was into me, so I just said see you later as she left. Girl 2 After I had some lunch, I went back up to the library to try my luck again. This time I see an empty table of four, so I went over to it and got my stuff out and was looking over my notes. About five minutes later, a blonde chick comes up and asks if she can sit down. Again I started by commenting how busy the library is and how it's hard to get a seat, and we went back and forth with a little small talk for a minute or two before I got back into what I was reading. I initiated conversation a couple more times over the course of the next twenty minutes and found out the basics of what she's doing there, and a bit of other random small talk but nothing too significant. She was quite friendly and seemed into talking, so it was going ok so far. She got a call on her phone, and a guy came up to meet her and sat down at our table. It seemed he was just a friend, but I was still effectively cock blocked at that point. She wasn't really exceptionally hot or anything, and her face was just ok, but her body was fairly good. The guy ended up leaving, and we talked a little bit more. I had to go, and by that point I had decided that I wasn't going to bother with trying for a number because I got that feeling that there wasn't much there. But that's ok, because she really wasn't the type I normally go for anyways. As I was leaving, I just said see you later after I got her name, and that was it. Girl 3 This is one that I let slip by me. The situation wasn't the greatest to open her, but I still let it pass. She was sitting on a bench, and a few people were talking to her about something going on at the school. There was only a space to sit down on the next bench, so I sat down. When those people who were talking to her got up and left, I was kind of far away from her to just yell over to her. I could have, but I felt funny because there was someone sitting right next to me on the bench that I was sitting on. And like yesterday, I would have felt a little funny standing up and shuffling over to her after I was already sitting down. Nothing was stopping me, but I just didn't feel comfortable doing it. Not long after, someone else came and sat between us on her bench, so it was over at that point. I got up and left a few minutes later. All things considered it wasn't a bad day at all, even though I came away without getting any numbers or new contacts. But hey, if I can talk to two new girls everyday like I did today, things will be good. So in the grand scheme of things, I have no complaints after a day like today.

Author:	VV Cephei [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:47 am ]
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Wednesday Today was a pretty good day even though I didn't get any new numbers, although I could have with the last girl I talked to. Girl 1 I was standing in line getting something to eat in one of the cafeteria areas on campus. There was a girl in front of me that wasn't too bad, so I decided to talk to her to see how it went. I asked her something about an event of sorts that took place on campus today. She was really friendly, and was quite talkative for the few brief minutes I got to talk to her. I was hoping our orders were going to be ready at the same time so we could have waited in the cashier line up together and continued to talk. My stuff was ready first, so I just said see you later and went and paid for my lunch. It was a good interaction and she definitely seemed into talking to me. Girl 2 To save some money, and also just for a change, I decided to take the bus this year instead of driving to school. It's actually also been a good idea for meeting girls too, as there is always chances at the bus stop, and you get to see a variety of girls that take the same bus depending on which times I get on. I saw this girl last Wednesday taking the same bus at the same time, and sure enough she was there again today. I was waiting near the stop, and I saw that she walked up close by and was waiting too. So I gradually moved a little closer, and then opened her by asking about the same event that took place on campus as I did to the girl in the cafeteria line up. Like the other one, she was very friendly and seemed quite interested in talking to me, so that was a good sign. We talked for about 5 minutes until the bus came, then we both got on and grabbed a seat next to each other. Unfortunately, ten minutes into our conversation I found out she has a boyfriend, but we had a great conversation for the whole 35 minute ride home. I'm sure I could have got her number if I asked, because she said it was really nice to meet me not once but two separate times. As long as I take the same bus, I'll be seeing her every Wednesday at the same time, so I thought why push for the number today when I already know she's taken. I'll just play this one out a bit and try and see if anything could still come of it. I didn't think there was a need to push for her number when I'll be seeing her every week, there's plenty of time for that considering the fact that she has a boyfriend. Girl 3 I let this one pass unfortunately. She was sitting by herself on one of the benches, and as I walked by I noticed that there was a spot on the next bench pretty close to her. So I sat down, and just chilled there for a few minutes. This is one of those times where I paid the price by sitting there screwing around and waiting before I opened, because after a few minutes of me sitting there, 3 of her friends came and started talking to her for the next 10 or so minutes, and by that time I had to go and catch my bus, and that's where I ran into the 'Girl 2' that I wrote about above. Again, I was happy about today even though I didn't get any numbers, but I did gain a 'contact' or friend and who knows, maybe even more, with the girl on the bus. We'll see how that one plays out. She seems like a really nice girl and a good person from what I gathered from her from our conversation on the ride home. Like I said yesterday, if I can keep up this pace of talking to at least a couple new girls each day, I can't help but get some results. So I'm pretty happy overall, so far so good!

Author:	HBU [ Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Nice
I can relate, sometimes I also pass up opportunity because I was in my head, over analyzing everything. And so what I learned that made everything alot easier was to follow the '3 second rule', when I follow that, I find myself less nervous &more confident. Great stuff!

Author:	VV Cephei [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:24 pm ]
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Thursday A slow day - not much to report. I did run into a girl that I picked up last year in the last week of school. She ended up living quite far away, but we kept in touch texting over the summer. I ran into her on her way to class, so I just walked with her the rest of the way and talked a bit. After I picked her up last year, through text I ended up finding out she was single, but she says that she wanted a relationship, and that she spends a long time being friends with someone before she even gets into a relationship and takes things very slowly. She seemed like a really nice girl, with good values etc, so I decided to just be friends with her. Other than that, I really didn't have any great opportunities today, it was just one of those days.

Author:	VV Cephei [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nice
Quote: I can relate, sometimes I also pass up opportunity because I was in my head, over analyzing everything. And so what I learned that made everything alot easier was to follow the '3 second rule', when I follow that, I find myself less nervous &more confident. Great stuff! Hey, thanks for following along! Yeah, that was one of those times where I should have acted sooner, no doubt. In certain situations, like the library for example, I actually like to wait a little bit before I open, so sometimes it depends on the situation whether I want to open right away or not. But those times where I've decided I should open and there's no sense in waiting, I should just do it instead of just sitting there. I pay the price for waiting sometimes, but things are improving which is good!

Author:	VV Cephei [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:53 pm ]
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Friday Today was a pretty good day. I made a couple of approaches and got a phone number. Girl 1 Soon after I got to the school this morning, I was waiting for my first class to start sitting on one of the benches just outside of the library. A brunette chick comes up and sits on the bench right beside me. A moment or two later, I notice that she has the same textbook as I do, so I know she's taking the same class. It's a huge class with a few hundred people in it. So I opened her by saying, "so you're in xxxx class too". She was friendly and interested in talking for sure, so we talked sitting on the benches for the next 15 minutes until it was time to head over to the other building for class. We walked over together, and grabbed a seat beside each other in the lecture hall. Things went well, and after lecture I walked her out to where she was catching the bus. Before her bus came, I got her number and said that I'll see her on Monday. I'm not really sure what, if anything, will come out of this one. She does seem into me, but she's ok looking but not really my type. I prefer skinny/slim girls, and some guys would say the type of chick I'm into is 'too skinny', or 'not enough ass' etc. I really don't like the 'thick' girls or ones with the 'big booty' etc. I prefer them slim. Anyways, this chick is a little thick, but still cute. She's also quite conservative, as she says she doesn't drink or smoke, and hates partying or clubbing. So I can't judge her completely based on that, but I'd be surprised if she turns out to be the type that's just into having a little fun. I'm not out for a serious relationship, unless a really special chick came along that I really clicked with. So with her being physically not my ideal type and being ultra conservative-sounding, I have some doubts of this going anywhere, but we'll see. Girl 2 This one came right at the end of the day as I was waiting for the bus outside. I saw a cute Indian girl sitting on some concrete steps near the bus loop, so I went over and sat fairly close to her. I opened her a minute or two after I sat down by commenting/asking her about how Fridays on campus aren't as busy as the other days during the week. She was friendly, but perhaps a little shy. I really wasn't overly interested in her at that point, but I figured if she was really into talking to me or showed a lot of interest, I'd continue. But, she basically talked a little bit, and didn't show any great effort nor real interest in continuing the conversation, so I just left it alone. It was the end of the day, and I was a little tired, and I generally don't ever do this, but I looked at that interaction as 'practice', so I just talked to her for the hell of it. Girl 3 and 4 I let both of these pass by, as they ended up sitting on either side of me on the bench! At first, the one on my right sat down, and she was pretty cute. But I often hesitate or don't even bother opening ones who appear to be looking around a lot like they're waiting for someone, because usually I've found within a minute or two their friend or boyfriend comes and they take off. Well the one on my right was looking around a bit, and while I was deciding on whether I should say anything, another girl sat on the other side of me. Now I mentioned before that I really don't like opening when someone is right beside me and can hear what I'm saying, so in this situation with a girl on each side of me, I felt a bit awkward about opening, so I didn't bother. It was just as well in this case, because they both were looking around, and within two or three minutes both of them got up and left as their friend showed up to meet them. And, that's it for the week! All in all, it wasn't a bad week. I did several approaches, met a really nice girl on the bus, and got a number today from a girl in my lecture hall. So that's not too bad, and if I can keep up this pace each week, I can't help but see some results pretty soon. But, there is definitely room for improvement in my game, even though I ended the week on a happy, positive note! I'd like to work on opening a little more, I'd like to have less of these missed opportunities, and I'd like to cut down on the amount of times where I'm hesitant about opening. I should just make up my mind and do it. And slowly but surely, I want to become a little more direct, and/or a little more flirty or sexual with the girls I meet. There is nothing wrong with my conversations now, but the times where I get the vibe that a girl is into me, then those are the times that I need to step things up a little and be a bit more flirty or sexual with them. Well, since I generally don't really go out on weekends to bars/clubs, I doubt I'll have any updates until Monday night after school.

Author:	VV Cephei [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:09 am ]
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Monday Today was an ok day. I approached one girl in my class, as well as talked with the other girl I got the phone number from on Friday. Girl 1 I saw this girl in the lecture hall two weeks ago. One day she sat near me, and when class was over and she got up, we made eye contact and smiled at each other. I didn't see her last week. Well this morning I was there early, and I see her come into the lecture hall. She was walking up to the seats near me, and she came into my row and ended up sitting two seats away from me in the same row. As she passed me to get to the seat, she said 'excuse me', but no eye contact. I just said something like "no prob, it's all good' and she passed by me and took the seat two seats down. I probably should have opened her once she sat down, but there were other people around and I felt a little funny about doing it. Class started around five minutes later. So yea, she's sitting two seats away from me and I sat there for about five minutes not speaking to her waiting for class to start. Not good. My plan was that as class finished I was going to say something to her as we stood up and started to walk out. Well, when class was over, I timed it so that I packed up my stuff and stood up around the same time she did so we could walk out together, but when I looked over at her she didn't look at me which surprised me a bit considering we smiled at each other the last time I saw her. Who knows, maybe she thought I was going to talk to her when she sat down at the beginning. Anyway, since she didn't look, I had a split moment to decide, so I just walked to the end of the row and started walking down the stairs. She was behind me, so I knew I had to do it then or she'd be lost in a sea of people trying to get out. So I turned around, which was kind of awkward because we were going down the stairs, and I opened her asking a question about an assignment for class, but I wasn't as smooth or confident as I normally might be. It was tough to open because she was walking, and it was a packed class with everyone filing out of there at the same time. I ended up talking very briefly with her until we got outside the door, and I saw that she started to walk in the opposite direction that I was going. So we just stopped outside the door for a brief moment, and I said see you later because she seemed like she was on her way to go somewhere. All in all, I didn't get the most friendly reaction out of her. She was nice and polite, but I was hoping she'd be a bit more smiley and happy-looking, which she wasn't. I don't know whether that had something to do with my less-than-smooth delivery or she was 'mad' at me for not speaking to her when she sat down almost beside me, or she just wasn't all that interested in the first place. Well, I suppose I'll find out soon enough if she comes to that same section to sit, or she moves across to the other side of the lecture hall! Girl from my other class that I got the number from on Friday As I was walking out of my first class, I ended up seeing her in the hallway, so we hung out for about 45 minutes until it was time to go to class. After class, instead of leaving like she normally does, she stayed for another 30 minutes or so to hang out with me some more. I really don't know just yet how I'm going to handle this one. Like I said before, she seems to come from a very conservative background, and it sounds like she's never had a boyfriend before, and she's 20. She says that she's stayed away from most guys because they're players etc, but it's sort of funny why she seems to like me, because I probably look like a stereotypical player sort of guy. To further complicate things, she asks how old I am, and she guessed that I was 24! Man, she's so far off the mark it's not even funny. It's turned into somewhat of an issue of morals, because I didn't tell her my real age, and I really don't know if I'd go through with this considering she may very well be a virgin. I've told her a bit about my past in terms of alcohol/drugs and she knows I have a tattoo and a few piercings. She texts me and calls me 'bad boy'. So it seems that she's attracted to my image, but she thinks I'm all reformed now and much younger than I really am. If this chick was more my type, she'd be wife material by the sounds of it. Anyways, I'll have to give this some thought.... Other than that, nothing much else went on as far as approaches. I just caught my bus, then went to the gym. If I was a bit more aggressive with my approaches, there wouldn't be an excuse not to have a few approaches a day. After all, I go to a fairly large university, and the place is literally crawling with chicks. I'm doing ok so far, but I could still use to step shit up a little bit.

Author:	HBU [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:14 am ]
Post subject:	Thanks
Thanks for sharing, learned quite a few things from these posts! Sometimes I miss the opportunity at first, and I feel a little awkward when I open sets(after like 2-5 minutes), any idea how I can improve?

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Author:	VV Cephei [ Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Thanks
Quote: Thanks for sharing, learned quite a few things from these posts! Sometimes I miss the opportunity at first, and I feel a little awkward when I open sets(after like 2-5 minutes), any idea how I can improve? Hey, well glad some of this has helped, for sure! I certainly still have more to learn and I also need more practice with day game myself, but I'll tell you what has helped me and some of my general thoughts on how to improve. I really believe that the only way to get better is just by practice, you'll just have to keep talking to more girls and eventually you'll build up a certain amount of natural confidence from your own personal experience. I know that may not be what you or I want to hear or believe sometimes, but it's really the truth. Nothing will give you confidence more than the feeling of your own success, and that will come with more experience with girls. But just as important, I think it's crucial to analyse your own game, and objectively look at the types of reactions you get when you open, and every other aspect of your game right up until you're at the point where you're getting her naked. If you notice some sticking points, or certain areas where you seem to fail often, then you have to recognize those things and make adjustments in your game and try to improve. Practice is great, but it's not so good if you keep making the same errors over and over again. So a lot of it will be up to you to be the judge of how things are going with your game and make adjustments as necessary. At least for me, as far as opening and getting phone numbers go, the things that helped me the most were making sure I appeared as calm, confident, as smooth as I could when I opened a girl and said my first sentence. First impressions are important, so if you appear nervous, talk too quickly etc, she'll pick up on that. I'll often know what I'm going to say a moment or two before I say it, and I"ll always make a point of trying to just slow it down and speak loud, clear and slow right at first. For me, that set the tone for the entire interaction. If I start off smooth and confident, it's easy for me to keep going. But if I started off shaky or nervous, it was much harder to get things back on track after that. If you've waited a few minutes before opening, and I've done this too, I'll try to make it seem like whatever I open with was just a random thought, like it just came to me. The last thing you want to do is make whatever you say sound rehearsed, then she may get the impression you've been sitting there the whole time just waiting to get the balls to spit out your sentence. And if you are going to wait a bit before you open, you definitely don't want to keep looking over at her several times during those few minutes, because she'll notice that too. So if I find myself in that position where I know there's a chick beside me that I want to open, I'll make a point of even looking in the opposite direction, or looking straight ahead and almost make it seem like I don't even know she's there. Because then when I do open her, I'll just sort of look over, like I just noticed her, then say whatever it is that I was thinking of saying. But in general, unless there's a reason to wait, I've always found that the sooner I just talk to her, the better and more natural it feels and usually the rest of it will go smoother. The only time, at least in my situations, where I like to wait a bit before I start to talk is when I'm in the library and sit at a girl's table, or she sits down to my table. Even though I sit in the 'conversation' area, some people still prefer to be left alone because they are there to read/study etc. So I just don't want to bust into conversation right away the moment I sit down in case I end up bothering her. Instead, what I've done is said a few polite friendly words or comments as she sits down, judge her reaction based on that, then if she's really into it, then I"ll continue to talk, or I'll do my own thing for five minutes or so, then make some sort of comment to see if she's very talkative or not. But usually, in general, if you see a girl that you want to talk to, and the situation is one where your'e able to talk to her, then its best to just do it right then instead of waiting. Also, if you read the entry that I'm going to make after this post about the girl today on the bench, that was the same sort of thing. I was sitting there for a few minutes before I opened her. It didn't go anywhere, but that had nothing to do with the fact that I waited, but it's another way to break the ice, or initiate conversation with someone after you've been just sitting there for a few minutes not saying anything.