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Author:  indie24 [ Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:45 pm ]
Post subject:  My first HB10 approach
So I went out today and attempted Chief's newbie exercise, so that I can improve my game and improve my approach anxiety.

So I ended up taking a break at a very busy coffee shop in the mall and had a cup of coffee whilst sitting with my back to the cash register in the smoking section, as this was the only spot that was open. (Which later turned into a calamari starter and a glass of wine). And in comes this stunning HB10 with her (Im presuming her mother) and they grabbed a seat in front of me with a table that had just cleared out.

So she (The hottie, not her mother lol) starts glancing towards me every now and then, and just sending me TONS of IOI's, we eventually started smiling at each other. Unfortunately approaching her and joining her table was out of the question as it would look very awkward in a crowded restaurant, plus I was scared her mom would start screaming at me to stop undressing her daughter with my eyes, haha! So I did the next best thing, I asked the waitress for the bill, a pen and a napkin to write on.

I wrote the following on it:

"So I saw you looking at me and either you are interested in me or you are looking to rob the cash till behind me?

You seem interesting. What have you got going for you more than your looks?

>my cel number
Author:  indie24 [ Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:48 pm ]
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(CONT) --->

(I figured we were already in A3 as she was giving me so much interest)

I collected my nuts, downed the last of my wine, walked up to them and said hi. She turned around (she didnt look surprised at all, and with a really big smile said hi) After sharing some eye contact that was loaded with sexual tension and a smile, I then gave her the note and walked away.

I felt REALLY awesome for doing that as I suffer from major AA. Please criticise this guys and give me some suggestions that might increase my chances for next time.

Thanks!
Author:  indie24 [ Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:11 pm ]
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Thanks for the reply Hobbit,

But help me out here, I am trying to learn, what would you have done different?

I followed the model to a tee, and her response was positive, so I'm not sure what I need to improve on or change?
Author:  Melodical [ Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My first HB10 approach
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You seem interesting. What have you got going for you more than your looks?

I can see where you're coming from in setting a screening frame but the "What have you got going for you more than your looks?" is a bit too challenging considering you hadn't even spoke to her. "Are you the sort of woman I should get to know" would have been better.
Author:  indie24 [ Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:34 pm ]
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Thanks Melodical,

I feel really crap now because I used the material correctly but apparently there is context I am missing.

Luckily for me it seems as if I am cruising by on my looks as she just replied and she seems really interested :)

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.

Peace
Author:  indie24 [ Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:19 pm ]
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Will do. We have a date set up for next weekend. I'll report what happened in detail so that others can learn from this.

Again, thanks.
Author:  indie24 [ Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:00 am ]
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Ok.. So I promised to report back on what happened this weekend with the HB10. I am not really excited about it but hopefully this information can help someone else from making the same mistakes I made;

The date was a complete and utter cluster fuck.

She invited me to come to a horse show that she was helping out with (admin and shit). I later realized that this was my first and biggest mistake. The reason for this is that the show was very far away, and as a result I failed a possible shit test, telegraphed too much interest and gave away too much power and value.

After arriving she asked me to come sit at her table and there were a bunch of people sitting around it (family and friends). She would then run away every now and then to go announce some shit or do paperwork. I tried making connection with the people around me and made some friends, but her presence was too inconsistant for that to matter. Getting her alone was really difficult and she ended up showing me around and explaining everything. I never had the chance to DHV much because every now and then she would just start announcing something out of the blue into this fucking mike she had strapped to her head and this would just kill the conversations momentum entirely. She shit tested me continiously and I called her out on it many times, which made her smile, but the fact that I had to follow her around just killed the little value I could display. I now realise that I should never have gone to a venue where she had all the power. I mean these chicks were just blabbering on about horses leaving me with a blank and stupid expression on my face most of the time, asking questions.

I eventually just told the HB that I was just not making a connection with her and that I am leaving. This is where she apologised and said that we could go for coffee sometime, this is where I told her no thanks (I was slightly pissed at this stage because I made her promise the day before that she would be entertaining as I didnt want to end up shoveling hay for her, I am not her stable boy. This got a laugh, but it seems like I just ended up taking her shit anyway)

Well, that is my report. I felt like such a low value guy afterwards, but so you learn. I should have had her chasing ME around at MY choice of venue. I am glad this happened, because now I know what to do if it should ever happen again.

NEXT
Author:  The Mountain [ Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:27 am ]
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I agree with the above. Both of the lines would have worked better if they were spoken out loud. Written down they are worth shit.

You also wont get over your AA if you only write it down. You really have to use your balls a couple of times before you get over it.

The first one could be quite a funny opener, but you have to bring it with a smile and look her in the eyes when using it.

The second one is a good one, it follows the same principe I always try to use when opening someone, namely making her qualify herself and giving her the possibility to tell something about herself.

But once again, it doesnt really work when written down, both questions are usefull to lead to a conversation.

For instance, when she answers the second one with: Im a fun and social person'', you will have to build on the conversation from her answer. So writing that question to her isnt going to do much, they are conversation starters after all.


You mentioned that you have AA, I am proud to tell that I havent felt that for the past year or something. Not that my game has improved much in the attraction phase, but here is something that might help you out while opening.

I lost AA because of my job as on door marketeer. Everyday I approached like 100 people to try and sell them stuff. What I learned during the year I did this job is the following:

Do NOT take the person you approach seriously. If you do that you start feeling down everytime they dont buy your stuff. Or everytime you get rejected in your case.

And if you know you will feel down you start feeling AA.

But when you have a mindset like this:

Screw it, was worth a try, next time it will work out better. You start feeling less and less AA.

So my advise is the following. When approaching, dont think about the results and dont take the person you approach seriously. Dont even think about how to approach. A simple ''Hey, how u doing '' is more than enough. Of course the first 10x you get rejected will still hurt, but after some time you really stop taking it personal and the pain stops as well.


Fun part is, after you dont feel AA anymore, you can start working on the more important parts of the game like Im doing now. Then you can work on building sexual tension and actually try to seduce the women. And those are the more difficult parts of game


edit: On your last post, your mistake was not that you came to the horse show. Its no problem if you telegraph interest. You made another mistake.

Following her around all night made you seem desperate. If you saw that she didnt want to make time for you, you should have started a conversation with another ramdom chick. Or her famely or whatever. You had to telegraph to her that you didnt need her to have a fun time but you were there because you wanted to give it a try. And she was fucking it up by not spending enough time with you.
Author:  indie24 [ Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:11 am ]
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@The mountain

Thanks for sharing the knowledge man, that is some really good advice. I'll be applying that from now on. I think I should have just tried to make friends with another hottie and waited for her to come to me. I was in the wrong mindset; I was looking for something instead of just having fun and leaning back.
Author:  Cheyenne [ Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:58 am ]
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Well at least you have done well by rejecting her purpose of hanging. Now just wait and see if she's contracting you. If she is, then it means she's interested in you. If she won't contact you, don't worry, there are many HB to be approached.
PS: Hey could you upload a photo of you please?
Author:  indie24 [ Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:12 pm ]
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@The mountain

Thanks for sharing the knowledge man, that is some really good advice. I'll be applying that from now on. I think I should have just tried to make friends with another hottie and waited for her to come to me. I was in the wrong mindset; I was looking for something instead of just having fun and leaning back.
This is still the wrong mindset. It's always better for the self esteem to blame external forces -- but from what I see, you took a great opportunity and blew it trying to be the alpha male baboon boy.
You have to remember that a lot of people on this forum are trying to learn Hobbit. There is no question I failed, I did, but I am new and I am trying to improve. I am here to learn and calling me an alpha male baboon boy is a bit childish and doesnt help anyone. You've given great advice in the past and Im a bit surprised by this, why the condescending reply?
Author:  indie24 [ Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:42 pm ]
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Quote:
Well at least you have done well by rejecting her purpose of hanging. Now just wait and see if she's contracting you. If she is, then it means she's interested in you. If she won't contact you, don't worry, there are many HB to be approached.
PS: Hey could you upload a photo of you please?
She already did, but I think I need to improve on my inner game a bit first. I'll obviously go for coffee with her, if she remains interrested, but Im not going to try anything with this girl. I think I may have some calibration issues to sort out first. In my understanding, natural game is preferrable, and this weekend I was not natural, just intimidated by a beautiful girl. The lack of coherence showed. So we learn...

Cheyenne, I'll try and upload a photo this weekend. Why do you ask?
Author:  Streetfighter [ Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:22 pm ]
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sounds like you're coming along well man. Nice post!

also coffee date with your house nearby? could turn into a potential fuck!
Author:  Sebo [ Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:33 am ]
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I agree with Hobbit actually (although calling people baboons isn't necessary).

What I see is that she wanted to know what their friends and family thought of you, and you should have definitely acted more patiently. What were your expectations from this? k-close? f-close? What about after you got there, did your expectations change?

Sometimes playing it slow and waiting for an opportune moment is a better alternative. Try looking into other methods, so you get different views of what may be happening.

Also, think about her expressions and her reactions to things you said, learn from it.

Calling her and apologizing (tell her that you have to apologize to her in person, nice way to get a date) is definitely an option.
Author:  xXcruxXx [ Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:28 am ]
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Your day 2 was not the best. But like you said, at least you learned from it. I agree with the statement above where someone said that if she was busy you should have talked to another hottie or at least to some random people and just have fun. This would've demonstrated social proof which is always good. However, hopefully you can isolate the girl next time too. Next time make sure you choose the venue~!

Good to know. As I have yet to get a day 2. Thanks for your report :)
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