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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:03 am 
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... attended the bootcamp on 7/8 february as a complete novice to all this. All I can say is that in the bootcamp all the instructors blew my mind with advice and tips that I at first did not believe would work and then was forced to use to great effect.
Thanks for that report DJ303. I also enjoyed RR's reports and posts regarding PUAT BCs. Everything about the BCs I've read are either really good or really crap. It seems that one's experience depends a lot on which trainers you get. I'm still quite interested in attending one of the London BCs but would love to hear more reports from past BC students. It seems that there is a 100% money back guarantee on the BC...anyone out there so dissatisfied that they've resorted to seeking a refund?


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 Post subject: 27th June 2009 Bootcamp
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Hey all, I thought I'd update this thread with my own experiences.
I did the PUA Training bootcamp a couple of weeks ago, and overall had a lot of fun!

The majority of the talks were done by Gulliver and Dharam, with guest talks from Gambler on Text game, Matt H. on confidence and Matthias, though I actually missed that last one. I should say that I just read "the Game" a couple of months ago, and I've been doing a lot of research since then, but really I'd classify myself as a newbie, since I really don't have a lot of experience talking to girls.

The talks were pretty good, especially some of the stuff Gulliver showed us on basic dance moves. The best bit of the bootcamp for me was the practical stuff, and there was a lot of that. I went daygaming with a jaw-droppingly hot Latvian woman called Diane, who gave me some great advice, and the second day was with Andy (Yosha) who specialises in direct approach. I really like this approach since there is no pussy-footing around.

Then for the Saturday evening, I was paired with a guy called Stephen, who also did a great job, since I rarely go to clubs and was feeling pretty uncomfortable - normally I wouldn't have spoken to anyone in that environment. There were other trainers and students also at the club, so that provided other moral support. One of the best things about the weekend was actually seeing the other students, many of whom were really getting results, so I could see the material would work if you went for it.

Pros:
Gulliver and Dharam did a great job, both were really keen, approachable and knowledgeable.
All the staff were very friendly and encouraging. Someone above disparagingly compared Matt to Tony Robbins, and obviously the subject matter is similar, but it really helped and I found his upbeat manner really charismatic and inspiring.
There was a lot of material packed in to the course and I was glad I had taken the following day off to absorb it all and relax.

Cons:
There were a lot of staff I had thought I would meet who were absent, I guess the company is quite big and it's not as if they advertise the bootcamp and being with any particular person.
More follow-up afterwards would have been nice, on the other hand I haven't been pestered with any marketing material as some other posts have suggested.

So overall, I'd recommend the course and think it was good value for money and good fun. I was outside of my comfort zone, and I've definitely improved my game...

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I was also on a recent PUAT boot camp from a few weeks back (Sean - I think you were on the same one as me actually :))

I can't remember the specifics of everything as they cram a lot into 23 hours worth of work and it was a bit of a blur, and I'm deliberatly not going into too much specifics about exactly what they taught as its unfair to them - you should try it yourself if you really want to see what its like.

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Day One - Saturday.

We met in a venue not far from Picadilly circus, and Gulliver started the introduction. We then went through areas such as body language, stance, gesturing and eye contact. He did this very slowly and in good laymans terms, and it was pretty easy to understand and remember. This was interactive as well as we were made to carry out exercises with each other which were good fun. On day 2 he also spoke about dance floor game, and a bit about forcing IOI's - 2 tricks you can use for each that I won't detail here that were both pretty awesome...and very easy and natural to do. I should add he was very polite throughout the whole weekend, really nice guy and very helpful.

Next (I think - just going through my notes and trying to remember, all of this might not be totally in order) Dhareem spoke about kino-ing, gesturing, vibe, personality, conversation etc. Hes a really energetic guy, very positive and easy to get along with and I dont think I've ever seen someone smile so much in my life - its pretty damn obvious hes good with woman. Again, we had interactive conversational sessions with each other and he and Gulliver have good ways of showing you how to keep a convo going. One area I struggle with is eye contact/trying to amp it up to aim for a kiss.....he really took the time out to help me with it and then made me do it in front of the rest of the students to make sure I understood it - something I won't forget!

We also went through a standard opener and some other stuff also, and again were made to interactively practise this, as well as how to street approach and stop moving targets.

We then went out for an hour of day game and me and another student were paired with Darren. I found this quite hard initially as no one would stop for me which Darren though was a combination of me not smiling, approaching too closely and aggresively and looking like I was trying to sell something (not uncommon in London).

Things then got a lot easier after I tried Darrens advice, I've never had AA but I've never tried approaching in the street either. I did get told to fuck off at least twice, once by a girls boyfriend....but it wasn't so bad and kind of funny. I think I had around 5 good long conversations and managed to get the number of a Chinese girl, and an Australian girl who coincidentally was staying at the same place as me (who I would keep texting throughout the weekend although we never met up!). It wasn't really all that bad, but then I don't think I'm a day game person. 1 of the other students got on so well in 1 interaction he got led all the way to the underground by 1 girl and we couldn't find him for ages!

I actually meant to write this up the week after I came back from it, but I was unfortunatly whisked off to the beautiful (not) climate of Angola where I've been the last month and thus couldnt, so I'm afraid I can't remember a lot of the stuff in great detail...

The day 1 night game session was awesome, I don't think I've ever approached so much woman in my life and I found this 10 times easier then day game! 2 set, one of whom liked me so much she tried to take me to a Soho gay bar with her (hmm!), at least 3 hen parties, one of which I got a number close from, a married woman who I spoke with for ages, another random girl whom I got another number from, a short cutie blonde who was only visiting London for the weekend and turned out was from the same city as me (unfortunatly had a boyfriend)...

The best 2 had to be a French girl who barely spoke English but had the most awesome tattoo on her back, and despite the language difficulty we managed to speak for about half an hour. I didn't get anywhere but thought it was still pretty damn good I managed to stay with her for that long despite the language barrier:)

The best by far was when I went to sit with a table of 2 which actually turned out to be 7 (oops!) The hottest one in the group kicked a chair out for me, and after a while her mates turned to have their own conversation and left us to it, although she kept dragging them back into the convo to talk to them about me which can only be a good thing. She was easily the hottest girl I've ever chatted up in my life and she loved my Scottish accent and i was a bit cheeky with her as well and the IOI's were flying out like hell...deffo won't forget the way she licked her lips and flicked her hair. I took her to a different club and we were sat at the bar until i was told it was time to go, i never managed to get her number, I guess I just bottled it but leter one of the instructors told me I could have easily K-closed her. After i told her I was leaving she looked pretty gutted which was nice....only for her to find me 10 minutes later (we hadn't quite left yet) talkign to another girl and not looking too happy (which was also nice!)

Day 2 is a lot more relaxed - a lot mroe stuff on conversation, banter and holding yourself in a set. Gambler came in and did a bit on text game and day 2's which I have to say I didn't find totally over-interesting as most of it seemed pretty obvious to me, although he did answer a question I had pretty well and I was pleased with the response.

Matt H then did a brief bit on inner game/confidence bulding - thats all I will say about that except THAT IF YOU DO GO ON A BOOTCAMP AND DO 1 THING OVER THE WHOLE WEEKEND, LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY! Mindblowing and definitly stuff I will use - it was worth the fee for the whole weekend alone, the exercises we did were brilliant and just thinking about them now makes me smile and laugh. Andy R did a brief bit on direct and day game which was good (I spoke to him for quite a bit toward the end of the 2nd day night game and hes a really decent guy, spoke away and very friendly), some other dude did a brief bit on charisma, Will spoke on extraction and SML's (I spent a lot of time with him over the weekend and he was really sound - so cool in fact I was still out with him at 2am on the Sunday even though the night game session finished at 11pm, which was really good - that was his own time). There was also theory on winging.

I do remember my second day game completely bombed and I couldn't get anyone to stop, although on both occasions the instructor or my wing opened and brought me in it was easy from there on in. We got the number of a French and Australian girl who also kept texting us later on the evening to meet up :)

The final night game session was fairly relaxed - unfortunatly London was pretty dead on the Sunday night and we probably spent about 70% of the time just trying to find somewhere with woman actually in them. We just spoke between us a lot in general and i didnt mind as I was completely knackered, then met up with everyone in O'Neils. We sat with a 3 set for the good part of an hour and had some good banter before leaving them and meeting up with them later in the night, 1 guy in particualr in the group not taking a no for an answer, which was class. We said out goodbyes and I stayed out with Will for a while before getting food and hitting the hay.

Overall I would definitly say its worth it, I'm glad I did it and would feel I would have missed out on something if I hadn't. The instructors are all great - they feel more like friends then teachers, polite, energetic friendly and they know what they are talking about. Dhareem, Gulliver, Will, Andy Y, Darren, Matt - all a brilliant help.

The only one I wasn't too happy with was Ollie the model who gives a brief meeting on fasion advice; he basically told me my shoes, jeans and top had to go (but at least my hair was okay!). Now in fairness I could do with a new pair of shoes so fair do's, but the jeans were brand new and its one of my best tops which I've had mutiple compliments on so despite him being a big model I'll have to diagree with his comments and attitude, although in fairness i suppose hes just doing his job.

The only thing I perhaps wanted to see more of was a bit more along the theory of not jumping through hoops/playing hard to get/not complying or passing "shit tests" as this is something I'm not very good at. The one negative part for me really was on the brochure it states that you get 1-1 training with female instructors which I was really looking forward to as I've ALWAYS wanted a womans opinion on this stuff and thought it would have been quite helpful. I was pretty disapointed this never happened (plus Kezia looks quite hot in her pics :D). I also felt Richard could have spoken a bit more being that hes the main man, but I think they have a lot of instructors and they had a residential on at the same time,so it wasn;t really that much of a big deal.

But like I said - your only going to know if you try it, it was definitly worth it and I would recommend this. I never had AA before, I just never knew what to say or what to do. I'm not going to start going out during the day delibaratly to do this, but if I see someone I like whilst I'm out doing my thing at least i can be more confident about speaking to them. I can definitly see now there is nothing to be scared of and its all really about being relaxed, confident and taking the iniative.

After this weekend its clear to see women do really like to be approached (Why the fuck else do they wear the clothes that they wear and spend 18 hours getting ready?), that they don't all tell you to fuck off, theres nothing to be scared of and you can have a good time doing it. All I need to do now is keep up what I;ve learned; unfortunatly I havn;t had the chance yet having been in Angola for the better part of the last 3 weeks and the only woman here are prostitutes or riddled with disease, but even on my way back through the airport I found myself wanting to have conversations with/approach women and even managed to bag myself free food from the stewardess's on the flight back (must be the charm....). Also got on well with an American girl back at my hotel at like 3am, she loved my accent but did't like the fact I took the piss out of hers and kept calling her Canadian...:P

Give this a go - i really don't see how you can be disapointed, especially with a 100% money back guarentee, how can you lose?


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i agree wit u all the way man


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i agree wit u all the way man


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i agree wit u all the way man


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Give this a go - i really don't see how you can be disapointed, especially with a 100% money back guarentee, how can you lose?
Never tried the bootcamp, but since this thread deals with PUA Training I thought I'd mention my own experience with them for your own information:

1st I took advantage of a special offer on their website which included the "Unstoppable Attraction" dvd + a few others. Got all the promised material delivered promptly and was fully satisfied, so I signed up for Matt Hussey's "Effortless Attraction" seminar last July. Couldn't attend due to unforeseen circumstances (had to be taken to the hospital), so asked them for a refund. I also asked for some info about Dharam's daygame bootcamp, which I was interested in. I was told they would refund the money and asked to send them my number; they said one of their trainers would contact me about Dharam's event. I complied.

I never got the money back despite further emails sent to them about it. None of their trainers ever contacted me either.

After my emails about the refund went unanswered, I thought I might still be able to make use of the money I had spent and sign up for Matt H's seminar at a later date. I emailed them about that, and this time got an immediate reply: "Nina" told me I had been signed up for the upcoming seminar on the 17th of October.

I showed up at the scheduled date and time at the Bloomsbury Holiday Inn in London (had come from Oxford specially for that). I asked at the reception and was told there was no such seminar on that day. Had a look around both in and outside the hotel and found nothing. Called the mobile number mentioned on their website and was greeted by a voicemail service. Left a message; haven't heard from them since. I concluded they had cancelled the event without notifying me.

As far as I'm concerned this is unprofessional, not to say downright dishonest service. I guess PUA Training might be more conscientious with their BC customers since they pay much more than a miserable £10 like me, but given my own experience I would think twice before trusting their money back guarantee, or anything else they proclaim on their website. Would you really be willing to take legal action against them if necessary?


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lots of good info here, thanks.


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Most of the info here sounds fake. The only true info seems the negative one. The positive info looks suspicious as most of the posters only have made 1 post since their registration !!! Instead of creating these fictive posts maybe the PUAtraining guys should deal seriously with the complaints and make their bootcamps better. Why aren't they hiring the best instructors anymore ? Why aren't the new instructors properly helping the students ? These bootcamps cost a lot of money. Many people even have to take a plane and a hotel. At least you are obliged to do the best you can for them. It is a moral obligation. If PUAtraining would listen and improve, people would only give positive reviews. If I would be in charge I would feel much better if I make money while at the same time my customers leave home happy.


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Hi Don, I do take all comments on the bootcamps very seriously and it is a constant process of refining and improving the bootcamps as well as making sure the trainers are solid.

For your information, I have the power to delete this entire thread or any negative posts but I don't. This forum is moderated but not censored or biased in any way - as you can see. I also have never solicited reviews from happy customers, you might see these guys on my facebook etc and and I don't tell them to go write reviews. It's not honest and not a good use of my time.

Rest assured that I take any criticism of us very seriously, just as much as I enjoy hearing the good things. Sometimes there are some guys that are:
-sent by competition
-mad

and I discount those, but of course, over the past 4 years or so of training guys I've made a lot of improvements based on customer feedback.


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Hi Gambler, thank you for the reply. I appreciate that you don't remove the negative posts. I also understand that not everyone will be happy. Maybe some people have too high expectations from a bootcamp. Besides having read negative reviews I also read a lot of positive reviews concerning your bootcamps. The only problem I have is that I read 2 positive posts at the end of the thread from 2 posters that only have posted once in this forum. So I don't think it is abnormal that I, as well as many others, have doubts about the integrity of those 2 posts. I don't think people are going to make an account with as only purpose to give positive feedback about one of the bootcamps they took.

It is good to hear that you take the feedback of the customers seriously. That is how it should be. A company has to improve or loses their costumers. I have no doubt you are doing a great job there and helping many people with their problems. Keep up the good work !


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Be less commercial.


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I notice that Beckster has left PUATraining and I believe works elsewhere. he was one of the best there, as was Jabba, Reflex, and Cardenas. :
I'm still alive :wink:
Yes I dont work for puatraining currenty haven't for about 6 months and only did a couple of hours there for the 6 months before that, maybe I'll make products for them in the future but at the moment really working on my own seminars, bootcamps etc

Pete is new on puatraining a freind of mine and very good, adam is great too we worked together when adam first first 3.5-4 yrs ago in school of seduction old company was a wicked laugh there.
I did see Gambler kiss close too

But anyway back to me lol

I will start posting on this forum now as i'm back in the game 8)

Beckster

p.s feel free to ask any questions i'll try my best to reply, i will log in one a week at least.

LOL... back are you? log in once a week? where are you? you havent been through here in years


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