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| Author: | Ecudes17 [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:30 am ] |
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I was rereading the mystery method today and I got to the chapter explaining a3 (male to female interest) the concept is that, you have won the girl over demonstrating higher value, you have recieved ioi's from her and now you have to return the ioi's. Before returning ioi's however, you have to bait her into giving you a REASON to ioi her. You cant show interest just because she showed interest first. Thats a great concept and I understand that. However, he talks about asking questions from a screening frame. "did you go to school, do you have more going for you than meets the eye" etc. My question is this. Do you think it would be benificial or detrement to iod after any of her answers? example: you: "did you go to school" her: "no, I could never really focus that well" you: "mhm" silence.....disinterested body language or you: "do you like animals" her: "omg, I hate them" you: "wow, we tottaly cant talk anymore, my dog screens all my gf's" could you iod and disqualify in that manner as long as you keep baiting her untill you find something that you can legitimately ioi on? or should you ioi based off of any information she gives you in A3? thank you. |
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| Author: | Slip n Slide [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:42 am ] |
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IODs that late can sound like rejection. There's no reason to do that to her, the point is the keep the good feelings flowing. The second example seemed fun and flirty (even though I can't see many girls saying that) so I'm not opposed to it, necessarily. The first I would definitely align myself with her values and say "Yeah you seemed like more of a partier. I like that, you know how to have fun!" Even those things that seem like obvious DLV in response to your screening questions can be made positive. To IOD there would break rapport, there's no reason for that. |
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| Author: | pumpington [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:17 pm ] |
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those are not qualifiers, you are looking to bait qualitys out of her, you want her to demonstrate qualities that *QUALIFY* her to be with you, at that point you show interest in her for possesing that quality, and then you dis-qualify her it is not the act you are trying to get her to qualify on it is the quality the act requires bait - hook -real -release you:blah blah blah (insert story laced with dhv about standing up for friends), you ever have a good friend that you just know you can trust? (bait) her: YEAH BLAH BLAH BLAH (whole buncha crap about a friend) (hook) you:wow you must be a really good friend for that, it is so hard to find girls like you these days (reel-aka qualify) , too bad your blah blah (disqualify-aka release) but to disagree with the above poster, i would say, if she will not qualify you are right to break rapport, just tease her , or give her a back turn and seem disinterested in her response, then back into attraction building type shit if your going pure MM if she does not hook then she is not qualifying for you and you have more attraction work to be done, also understand that there are different levels of qualification that require different levels of investment, for example a girl is more likely to easily answer, do you like fun? more so then, what do you have going on for you more then your looks? (this question is standard MM after 3 ioi's) if you have 3 ioi's, big hoop qualifier, and you break rapport completely and she re-initiates, you got your kiss close attempt right there |
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| Author: | g2k [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:44 am ] |
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Just on that - I kc'ed a girl last night and after the conversation dried up a little I asked her to give me 3 reasons other than she tasted good, that I would want to stay here kissing her - her answers were 1 im beautiful, - 2 im beautiful, after that I dropped my face (as in a real look of disgust!!) and nearly, (unknowns to myself) stood up, she nearly went ballistic, It was truly an amazing reaction, the girl wasnt needy or anything, she just couldnt fathom why I would leave, she grabbed me and pulled me into her and we started kissing again. After that I knew i had dhv to an extent i needed to do no more, and she then was like a puppy to me begging for attention. It was the first real sign that good game / push - pull / dhv were powerful tools. I only started reading back into this stuff a week ago. Bring on next weekend I say! (oh and I plan on calling her wednesday for a fc, i'll let you know how that goes.) |
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