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Author:  Kylec599 [ Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:36 am ]
Post subject:  Good come back to bitch shield blow out??
I approached these two girls sitting alone at a table towards the back of a local club, said hey can i join ya's?? and one of the chicks piped up kinda aggressively and said where not interested.. I kept my cool responded straight away with "Hey i just wanted to say hi, so whatever" and left, but its played on my mind a few times, hows the best way to handle these situations???
Author:  AdamThomas [ Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:34 am ]
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Just leave, who cares? You can't turn it around. No need to make excuses to the girls either.
Author:  Ay-Jay [ Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:30 pm ]
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Don't know if it's a good thing to say or not but I tend to just reply with 'Oh sorry I thought you were friendly'.

Trying to guilt trip them a bit.
Author:  Savlon [ Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:33 pm ]
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you're approaching it all wrong! thats like saying "omg you're so beautiful can i buy you a drink?"!!!
look at it from their perspective ok...

you're sitting there with your friend at a table... having a really good conversation... and then this fat bush pig looking chick walks over and says "hey i really like you guys, can i sit here with you two with an awkward vibe between us all and we can talk about the usual stuff like what you 2 do for jobs and what your favourite colour is?" think about it... what would you do in this situation?
i'd be thinking to myself "who the fuck is this chick and why the fuck does she want to sit down with me? she must be of such low value that she wants to hang around high value people..."

thats what i'd be thinking lol... so you need to be an attraction... you have to make them want you to stay rather then leave... change your approach and remember to throw in false time constraints so they feel more comfortable and your game will improve :)
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:17 pm ]
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Your opener wasn't great. Depends on a lot of body language, tonality issues, but in general asking to immediately join them is a high-risk strategy. They don't really know you yet, and you haven't displayed anything particularly attractive to make them want to spend time with you. You're not immediately offering any value, and so their natural reaction is to not be interested.

A better approach is to open when you're having a really awesome time and are clearly bringing the party with you. If I'm having a fun time with friends and I see a set nearby, I might open with "Hey! Are you guys fun?!" By saying no, they're saying "we're not fun" so why would I want to hang out with them? If yes, then we can start having an interaction. As it progresses, I can then slide into the chair next to them, or integrate myself into the group correctly, not by asking, but by PRESUMING that they want to hang out with me, because I'm the one bringing value to the table because I'm having a fucking awesome time.

Just the other day, I opened a 2-set in a coffee shop. As we were talking, they were sitting and I was standing (NOT a good way to lock into a set). I noticed people behind me leaving, so whilst I kept talking, I just slid the newly empty chair over and sat down as if it was the most natural thing in the world. The hottie of the two actually said "oh yeah, I was gonna say please sit down," actually APOLOGISING for not inviting me to sit with them. This was because I was bringing value and providing them with stimulating conversation. I showed the confidence that they would want me to stay, and that allowed me to lock into a much more natural position that I was in initially.
Author:  Crazy Jester [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:20 pm ]
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Worst opener ever, have you even done any research?
That's fucking standard shit, you should know better if you've even know about a forum like this.

Don't ask for permission to talk to them.
Don't buy them a drink, ever.

They are my only 2 rules.
Author:  Kylec599 [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:42 am ]
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Yea well i am extremely new to this, I was doing it as more of a anxiety thing.. I have said it quite abit and got a few numbers, and hooked up a couple of times. And i was having a pretty good time.
Author:  Adam_Steal [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:02 am ]
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Just remember man, it is better to ask forgiveness than permission. If you ask someone if you can have a conversation with them you leave them the option to say no. Instead you just have to figure out how to engage them in a stimulating conversation. When you asked them for permission to sit down you conveyed to them that you were just like every other AFC out there who wants to talk about their sign and what kinds of pets they have. These subjects are not stimulating to most people and they most likely have had that conversation 1000 times. You have to set your frame first that you are a fun and interesting person, then you have to show her within the first 5 seconds that your frame matches your conversation. I hope that helps.
Author:  Melodical [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:13 pm ]
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You miscalibrated the set thats all, seated two sets in conversation are probably one of the most difficult to open yet you did, and a cold approach as well, somehow I think AA is something you won't have to worry about in the future!
There are subtle clues that tip you off how it might go if your going to approach a 2+ set.

1/ Are the girls in good rapport and matching each others body language? Red light!

2/ Are the girls making a lot of exchanged eye contact? Another red light!

3/ Is one of the girls looking around her environment to see whats happening? Green light. (This is also a major "tell" of when a girl is looking to find a man at the time, Just look for the girls in a group who are more concerned about whats going on around them than their friends conversation, they're scanning the bar, club etc to see which men are there.

4/ Are the girls legs or one of her feet pointing away from her friend? Green light!This is subconscious leakage of wanting to be somewhere else. Make eye contact with her and stick your tongue out or something equally immature, if she looks back again approach.
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