As I wrote this (long) post I realised the main points that I was having issues with. The points that I would LOVE help on are at the bottom of the post (also in red).

Thanks!

I was in Budapest for the weekend for a family trip and spent a lot of time in bars with my nephew (4 years younger than me and a Homie). We charged about the girls and had a bunch of fun - but I wasted a great opportunity with a French HB8 and her Hungarian HB6.5 friend and I think my mind got in the way of the opportunity - and I want know if / where my thinking is broken.

Met her at a bar. Started talking. HB8 was my focus and very open to me. HB6.5 was shit testing a TONNE - telling me I was weird, my jumper was weird, etc... - but my frame was strong and eventually HB8 turned to her friend and said 'your're being weird!'.

I tell HB8 that I think she is beautiful and I'd love to get together with her the next day for a coffee.

This 'next day for a coffee' thing seems to be automatic for me when I tell a girl she is beautiful. I haven't told many girls this - so I think it is a nervous reaction. Maybe telling her she is beautiful and shutting up is better? As the coffee is me ejecting myself?

She tells me she has a BF. I tell her that's fine. She can meet me as a friend. Friends are aloud.

She swaps a whole bunch of contact details with me and calls herself from my phone - she has my #.

I chat a little longer and eject to find my nephew.

*** Next Day ***

We text in the day and she tells me (un asked) where she is going to hang out tonight - and asks me if I know it.

Our plan happens to run into theirs. So I text her and we arrange to say hello.

We meet at the bar - she is their with her 5 friends - we sit down and begin to get to know each other.

With her friends there I go into MAJOR hands off mode. I don't want to get physical with her friends around if she has a BF (even though he is not here). Looking back there were options for me to feel her leg when she was sitting next to me and no one could have seen.

1) Is this thought process of keeping it cool in front of her friends sensible for girls with BFs?
1.b) for girls without? (I think I end up doing this for most girls)

2) Should I have jumped at any opportunity for real secret kino? (Hand on thigh under the table)

We get on well. Her friends want to go to another bar and she tells me they are going there and says maybe see you later and says 'hopefully' to me - in a quiet voice so that only I can hear.

Me and my fam (two cousins, my sister and my nephew) then head to the next bar (where she is) and we text each other and arrange a place to meet.

It's really busy and we find each other, she asks if I want to go and dance with her and her friends, I do (and my nephew comes with). We get split up. And as well as asking my nephew where I am she texts me to ask me.

So many fucking clear signs that make me feel like an idiot now - I think I needed to take control more and isolate her. I was 'waiting for it to happen' instead of making it happen - when there were enough clear signs that she wanted it to happen.

To cut a long story short - my self and her friends HB8, HB6.5 and another dude ended up outside a cafe - and I never isolated HB8 - so ended up heavy kinoing HB6.5 because she was sitting next to me and I could kino her without anyone knowing. We didn't kiss or anything (again because I couldn't isolate).

So in summary - there were a few things there were a few areas where I was unsure:

1) Do I need to isolate a chick with a bf to kiss/heavy kino her? (If friends are not bf connected).
2) Do I need to isolate a chick without a bf to kiss/heavy kino her?
3) Does one need to take control to isolate? And when is the best time to do this? After intentional kino?

Sorry for this rambling post. Any thoughts on / around these specific topics would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much for any help.