PUA Forum :: Shit Test Theory- need help

I've been doing some research on this topic(still doing research) but I don't know exactly how to get over shit tests 100% of the time. Let me just clarify what I mean by a shit test. It's not when a girl is rude to you, it is not when a girl is insulting you, or telling you to leave, all of which are IODs. A shit test, in my mind, is a subtle IOI that requires you to respond in a non-needy, non-aggressive way, basically you shouldn't be bothered by her comment; that is old basic knowledge. I read somewhere that as long as you know she is testing you, and you amplify the frame by stealing her frame. This is a better formula but I feel this could be improved. I feel like you have to imbed your frame or push a different frame other than hers. Sort of like whatever you do, do not accept her frame.

Here is an example of what happened to me the other day and I got lost in the interaction:

(3 set)I opened well got some early IOIs all the girls were laughing, shit was going good until I got to a certain part of the interaction and the gist of it went like this:

Me: Where are you guys from?
one of the HBs: Reno
Me: Omg I love Reno, so many prostitues
HB: lol I know, but were strippers
(They were hot but I dont think they were strippers, they seemed too nice)
Me: What? Are you serious? do you guys really strip?
HB: Yea we like to take our clothes off(I really think they were fucking with me)
Me: That is so cool, I used to date a stripper, so do I get a free show?
HB: hell no, we don't do anything for free
Me: (this is where I need help) damn, you won't give a friend a free lapdance, you guys are cheap(with a smile) (PS I felt stupid doing that-I knew I was doing something wrong)
HB: you're not our friend, where expensive you know
Me: (at this point I just felt crushed and like an idiot, so I kinda awkwardly said ok it was nice to meet you guys and left) I don't really want a particular line I could use I just sorta want to develop a theory of what to say. A mad lib!

I need help figuring out her frame(quantifying it in words), and I need a frame to replace that with(my frame). I need to figure out how to be witty.

Author:	Tyler13 [ Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:24 am ]
Post subject:	Shit Test Theory- need help
I've been doing some research on this topic(still doing research) but I don't know exactly how to get over shit tests 100% of the time. Let me just clarify what I mean by a shit test. It's not when a girl is rude to you, it is not when a girl is insulting you, or telling you to leave, all of which are IODs. A shit test, in my mind, is a subtle IOI that requires you to respond in a non-needy, non-aggressive way, basically you shouldn't be bothered by her comment; that is old basic knowledge. I read somewhere that as long as you know she is testing you, and you amplify the frame by stealing her frame. This is a better formula but I feel this could be improved. I feel like you have to imbed your frame or push a different frame other than hers. Sort of like whatever you do, do not accept her frame. Here is an example of what happened to me the other day and I got lost in the interaction: (3 set)I opened well got some early IOIs all the girls were laughing, shit was going good until I got to a certain part of the interaction and the gist of it went like this: Me: Where are you guys from? one of the HBs: Reno Me: Omg I love Reno, so many prostitues HB: lol I know, but were strippers (They were hot but I dont think they were strippers, they seemed too nice) Me: What? Are you serious? do you guys really strip? HB: Yea we like to take our clothes off(I really think they were fucking with me) Me: That is so cool, I used to date a stripper, so do I get a free show? HB: hell no, we don't do anything for free Me: (this is where I need help) damn, you won't give a friend a free lapdance, you guys are cheap(with a smile) (PS I felt stupid doing that-I knew I was doing something wrong) HB: you're not our friend, where expensive you know Me: (at this point I just felt crushed and like an idiot, so I kinda awkwardly said ok it was nice to meet you guys and left) I don't really want a particular line I could use I just sorta want to develop a theory of what to say. A mad lib! I need help figuring out her frame(quantifying it in words), and I need a frame to replace that with(my frame). I need to figure out how to be witty.

Author:	worldrunner [ Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Shit Test Theory- need help
When girls start talking about sex just right away, they are just playing with you... The same way you play with a cat using a string, they want to see how naive and stupid guys become when some sexual topic is mentioned. Change topics HB: lol I know, but were strippers GUY: Ohh no you are exactly the type of women my mother warned me about!! anyway if you were to have a super power would you be a super hero or super villain?

Author:	Tyler13 [ Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:50 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Shit Test Theory- need help
Quote: When girls start talking about sex just right away, they are just playing with you... The same way you play with a cat using a string, they want to see how naive and stupid guys become when some sexual topic is mentioned. Change topics HB: lol I know, but were strippers GUY: Ohh no you are exactly the type of women my mother warned me about!! anyway if you were to have a super power would you be a super hero or super villain? Quote: When girls start talking about sex just right away, they are just playing with you... The same way you play with a cat using a string, they want to see how naive and stupid guys become when some sexual topic is mentioned. Change topics HB: lol I know, but were strippers GUY: Ohh no you are exactly the type of women my mother warned me about!! anyway if you were to have a super power would you be a super hero or super villain? Yes that is very true and perhaps I should have, but suppose you would have taken the same line I took. What would have been a good frame/response to have after: HB: Hell no, we don't do anything for free I was thinking just brushing off the issue: Me: awww that's too bad I would have loved a lap dance... or exaggerating being devastated/pouty almost like they crushed my dream: Me: fuckkk!, I would have loved a lap dance so bad!!, my night is ruined... puppy dog sad face I read somewhere that talking about sex early isn't a bad thing you just have to be comfortable doing it. There has to be a way of handling shit tests better than avoiding them.

Author:	_Lothario_ [ Wed May 01, 2013 9:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Shit Test Theory- need help
Quote: I've been doing some research on this topic(still doing research) but I don't know exactly how to get over shit tests 100% of the time. Let me just clarify what I mean by a shit test. It's not when a girl is rude to you, it is not when a girl is insulting you, or telling you to leave, all of which are IODs. A shit test, in my mind, is a subtle IOI that requires you to respond in a non-needy, non-aggressive way, basically you shouldn't be bothered by her comment; that is old basic knowledge. I read somewhere that as long as you know she is testing you, and you amplify the frame by stealing her frame. This is a better formula but I feel this could be improved. I feel like you have to imbed your frame or push a different frame other than hers. Sort of like whatever you do, do not accept her frame. Here is an example of what happened to me the other day and I got lost in the interaction: (3 set)I opened well got some early IOIs all the girls were laughing, shit was going good until I got to a certain part of the interaction and the gist of it went like this: Me: Where are you guys from? one of the HBs: Reno Me: Omg I love Reno, so many prostitues HB: lol I know, but were strippers (They were hot but I dont think they were strippers, they seemed too nice) Me: What? Are you serious? do you guys really strip? HB: Yea we like to take our clothes off(I really think they were fucking with me) Me: That is so cool, I used to date a stripper, so do I get a free show? HB: hell no, we don't do anything for free Me: (this is where I need help) damn, you won't give a friend a free lapdance, you guys are cheap(with a smile) (PS I felt stupid doing that-I knew I was doing something wrong) HB: you're not our friend, where expensive you know Me: (at this point I just felt crushed and like an idiot, so I kinda awkwardly said ok it was nice to meet you guys and left) I don't really want a particular line I could use I just sorta want to develop a theory of what to say. A mad lib! I need help figuring out her frame(quantifying it in words), and I need a frame to replace that with(my frame). I need to figure out how to be witty. You are being needy. You are feeding right into their bate by acting interested in what is obviously a joke. Forget about plowing through shit tests. The best way to get through a shit test is to flip it around. Shit test them. Make them qualify for you. The good part of this is...if she buys into the shit test, then she has given you power and you can move forward right away with escalation. Example: If instead of saying "you're really strippers?" You could've said something like "Oh so you're prostitutes in the closet then? I guess I could deal with that but I only pay afterward." If they buy into it, she's saying its okay to make a move and she will play into you. If they don't and they continue with the roll play, you can break the roll play after a while of baiting and counter-baiting, and switch into qualification on account of her display of confidence.

Author:	Testicles [ Wed May 01, 2013 10:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Shit Test Theory- need help
"It's not when a girl is rude to you, it is not when a girl is insulting you, or telling you to leave, all of which are IODs." Depending on their mood, the shit tests can come from literally everything. Even what is mentioned above. I'm still learning to mow through them one at a time, and I've began to look for these things. I treat every question and comment they make as if they're my annoying little sister. Except for the sexual stuff, of course. As for your questions, the interaction was kinda meh, so there's nothing much to add to it. "What? Are you serious? do you guys really strip?" This kind of attitude and responses should not exist in your playbook. Not even in the exaggerated sarcasm category. From what I gather you're a tad too enthusiastic about everything with the "omg and so cool". Drop those words from your vocabulary. I can bet a hundred that you were talking fast as well. And you were nervous. Slow down. Breathe the moment. Make everything longer, but not too long. And always have a non reacting, indifferent attitude.

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