PUA Forum :: My cup is empty.... here is why

Ok im new to this whole thing but ive been reading up lately and have been following the saying you miss every shoy you dont take. But I have run into failiure most times... so here is the run through as to what happened. feel free to give me any advice you think applies to this situation.

RECAP:

Night 1: My brothers 18th birthday party
So Im with my 2 cuzins at a club and I decide to approach a 2 set. I open with a female opinion opener and they respond better then expected. But a few minutes into the conversation my cuzins have both managed to secure themselves as these girls prom dates and I am left as the 5th wheel here. I have a feeling I went a bit overboard on the Negs and acted a little too carefree and distant to try and display higher value and make it seem like they need to sell themselves to me.

So my cuzins later leave the club with these two girls and i decide to approach another 2 set with a friend of mine, the only problem was....my friend was really drunk, none the less we approach the 2 set with a female opinion opener and this seemed to work well once again except this time my friend wasn't aware of how loud he was actually speaking and ended up shouting in one of the girls ears. well needless to say the vibe went completely south and i decided to pull out with what little pride I had left.

Night 2: The concert
So im outside the bathrooms waiting for my cuzin to finish up and a 7 comes up to me and says "Hey why are you out here alone? " So i explain that I am waiting for my cuzin and jump to the story of why my toe was cut and bleeding, then as my cuzin exits the bathroom she decides to leave

. then a couple of hours later im talking to a group of people two girls come skipping past and one of them spanks me as she does and they skip off into the distance. so naturally when they return i start up a convo and things seem to be going well, she offers to let me have a revenge spank and i reply with "hey im not that easy". they seem to be loosing onterest and the body language is getting a little off so i decide to play the 5 questions game and it worked they had to buy us drinks, while they were doing that a female friend comes along and wants to take a photo with my brothe and I. So naturally i assumed that was a perfect time to show higher value by accepting. the girls seemed bitter and decided to give us our drinks and leave.

Advice is needed

Author:	BobbySpitfire [ Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:	My cup is empty.... here is why
Ok im new to this whole thing but ive been reading up lately and have been following the saying you miss every shoy you dont take. But I have run into failiure most times... so here is the run through as to what happened. feel free to give me any advice you think applies to this situation. RECAP: Night 1: My brothers 18th birthday party So Im with my 2 cuzins at a club and I decide to approach a 2 set. I open with a female opinion opener and they respond better then expected. But a few minutes into the conversation my cuzins have both managed to secure themselves as these girls prom dates and I am left as the 5th wheel here. I have a feeling I went a bit overboard on the Negs and acted a little too carefree and distant to try and display higher value and make it seem like they need to sell themselves to me. So my cuzins later leave the club with these two girls and i decide to approach another 2 set with a friend of mine, the only problem was....my friend was really drunk, none the less we approach the 2 set with a female opinion opener and this seemed to work well once again except this time my friend wasn't aware of how loud he was actually speaking and ended up shouting in one of the girls ears. well needless to say the vibe went completely south and i decided to pull out with what little pride I had left. Night 2: The concert So im outside the bathrooms waiting for my cuzin to finish up and a 7 comes up to me and says "Hey why are you out here alone? " So i explain that I am waiting for my cuzin and jump to the story of why my toe was cut and bleeding, then as my cuzin exits the bathroom she decides to leave . then a couple of hours later im talking to a group of people two girls come skipping past and one of them spanks me as she does and they skip off into the distance. so naturally when they return i start up a convo and things seem to be going well, she offers to let me have a revenge spank and i reply with "hey im not that easy". they seem to be loosing onterest and the body language is getting a little off so i decide to play the 5 questions game and it worked they had to buy us drinks, while they were doing that a female friend comes along and wants to take a photo with my brothe and I. So naturally i assumed that was a perfect time to show higher value by accepting. the girls seemed bitter and decided to give us our drinks and leave. Advice is needed

Author:	Guidosaurus Wrecks [ Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:36 pm ]
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Actions speak louder than words. I think this is more a case of what your NOT doing than what your saying. You haven't mentioned any physical escalation in either of these recaps. About the girl who slapped your ass on night 2: I have a policy that whatever she does to me I'll do back to her. Once a fat girl slapped my ass, I made sure I took my revenge. Also if she jumps to that right away then you can assume your at that stage in the physical interaction and skip the "stages" of kino leading up to that. Also at venues with loud music, concerts/club I tend to rarely talk at all. It's more about the vibe you give off and how you physically approach and escalate as opposed to what your opener is.

Author:	BobbySpitfire [ Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:24 pm ]
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I understand the concept of what your saying but in the 2 cases(excluding the one where the girl spanked me) i dont know how to execute it without giving off a stalker vibe. so first off what was my error in the case of the girl approaching me outside the toilets? I have a feeling that i shouldnt have started complaining about my toe right off the bat and shouldve introduced myself? and secondly the vibe i give off, is this an inner game thing ? or is it a case of posture, grooming, clothing etc?

Author:	yonkfu [ Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:31 pm ]
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your forgetting some fundamental rules when you have wing men. there needs to be clarity on what girl is who's target. this will leave the target wondering which guy is going to show interest first. in a two set or more, when one girl accepts a flirt and returns one with a another guy the other girls will comply for another guy.in other words if one girl gives out her number, the other will want to give out hers. with the girl that spanked you. higher value isnt always what they are looking for. you already had them buying you guys drinks. how much higher value do you need? where you went wrong is having the photo taken. when a girl buys you a drink you need to give her attention. not to much, just enough to keep the progress going. showing compliance with other girls is not giving her the right attention. you should of just said another time please as i fell like i am about to start something meaningful. now for the girl outside the washrooms. the only thing you did wrong there is you didnt even try to close. saying something like could i get your number in case i need you administer first aid probably would of nailed the close as she already expressed interest. i hope this helped

Author:	Guidosaurus Wrecks [ Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:57 am ]
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Next time your out at the club, watch the other guys. It's a lot less creepier than you think it is. If you THINK it's creepy then according to the self-fulfilling prophecy it IS creepy. If it isn't creepy then it's NOT creepy. Funny how psychology works... Remember when you go out to show your "Best Self." I don't think a bleeding toe is your best self.... Vibe you give off is both looks and inner game. They both effect each other. If you look good, you'll have a better inner game. If you have tight inner game then you'll always look good. Its not the best answer but its real. If your smiling and having fun, it will naturally come out in your communication with others (both verbal and non-verbal). Ever listen to a teacher or presenter who really engrossed you in the subject matter? You where drawn in by their enthusiasm and genuine nature. Apply that to game.

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Author:	KingDog [ Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: My cup is empty.... here is why
Quote: Ok im new to this whole thing but ive been reading up lately and have been following the saying you miss every shoy you dont take. But I have run into failiure most times... so here is the run through as to what happened. feel free to give me any advice you think applies to this situation. RECAP: Night 1: My brothers 18th birthday party So Im with my 2 cuzins at a club and I decide to approach a 2 set. I open with a female opinion opener and they respond better then expected. But a few minutes into the conversation my cuzins have both managed to secure themselves as these girls prom dates and I am left as the 5th wheel here. I have a feeling I went a bit overboard on the Negs and acted a little too carefree and distant to try and display higher value and make it seem like they need to sell themselves to me. So my cuzins later leave the club with these two girls and i decide to approach another 2 set with a friend of mine, the only problem was....my friend was really drunk, none the less we approach the 2 set with a female opinion opener and this seemed to work well once again except this time my friend wasn't aware of how loud he was actually speaking and ended up shouting in one of the girls ears. well needless to say the vibe went completely south and i decided to pull out with what little pride I had left. Night 2: The concert So im outside the bathrooms waiting for my cuzin to finish up and a 7 comes up to me and says "Hey why are you out here alone? " So i explain that I am waiting for my cuzin and jump to the story of why my toe was cut and bleeding, then as my cuzin exits the bathroom she decides to leave . then a couple of hours later im talking to a group of people two girls come skipping past and one of them spanks me as she does and they skip off into the distance. so naturally when they return i start up a convo and things seem to be going well, she offers to let me have a revenge spank and i reply with "hey im not that easy". they seem to be loosing onterest and the body language is getting a little off so i decide to play the 5 questions game and it worked they had to buy us drinks, while they were doing that a female friend comes along and wants to take a photo with my brothe and I. So naturally i assumed that was a perfect time to show higher value by accepting. the girls seemed bitter and decided to give us our drinks and leave. Advice is needed Dude WTF are you doing? I've been browsing these forums for about a month just solidifying my game and I had to make an account when I read this. It's all about your delivery and vibe..Your Toe is bleeding??? What you needed to do was GRAB her and BE Like you wont belive this story and bla bla make something up about your TOE and then drag her to the damn dance floor by her hand. A girl smacked your ass? I would grab her ass and kiss her right there and then! You need to work on your confidence and stop giving a fuck! Do what you need to do! YOU HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVE! Just reading your post is messing with my mind. All these routines are BS and for sissies. Take what you want with power.

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