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Author:  IndyPUA [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Mystery's company threatens former student
This didn't happen to me. I am just passing this on from other forums, where there is a campaign to delete and suppress this info.

Original Post:


Guys i'm very worried I'm being blackmailed and extorted by the CEO of Venusian Arts. I'm contemplating going to the police. Basically I paid for a bootcamp and foolishy bought into their coach program and a 1-1 for a fine £9000 of which I've paid all but £1000. with a £10,000 loan which I'm now paying back.

Here is the correspondence. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Hi Chris,

Sadly I have not left messages, voicemails 6 times to get you to contact me to pay the £1000 you owe.

I am a reasonable man and could have worked out a payment plan or something - but can not tolerate what I effectively see as stealing! Yes, stealing. I view this as your actions indicate you have no intention of paying and you have taken a service, then not paid i.e. stealing.

I will be treating it as such. An ex Army friend of mine owns a Debt Collection Company, specialising in personal and Door collections. I am torn by having to resort to such actions because you were meant to be working towards joining our team.

some things you should consider.

1. the address I have on file I believe is your parent's address and how do you think they will feel having Debt Collectors turn up on their door in the evening?

2. You emails/texts I am advised are sufficient proof that you accept you owe the money and were struggling to pay - now you have just ignored my contact giving me grounds to use an efficient Personal Collection Service.

3. you will be liable for all agency costs I use to pursue the debt (Debt Collectors (£280 per day), Legal correspondence @£220 per hour for services used.

4. I will wait 7 days and if I have not heard from you the following will happen:

a. you will be removed from all our forums, team affiliations and there will be no-recourse on this thereafter as we must treat this instance as dishonest behaviour.

b. within 3 days from now a legal letter will be sent to you and your parents warning of imminent Debt Collector Visits, who will plan visits within 5 days to both your home and your place of work!

c. the Debt Collection Agency at optional request from us, will also send a notice to your employers regarding both the nature of the services you received and the refusal to make payment.

YOUR choice Chris! I am disappointed it has come to this.


19 Apr 2011, at 09:53, Christopher Flack wrote:

Sean

I think this has got a bit out of hand all you need to do is take me to a small claims court.

Do not threaten me anymore you don't even know where I work by all means send all the correspondence to my parents as you wish you will only cause me embarrassment.

I do not wish to speak to you further regarding this matter. You have stolen over £9,000 from me as far as I'm concerned.

Please remove me from your forums I want nothing further to do with your organisation and it's mercenaries.

I have attached a correspondence address I do not live at this address so please don't send your army there as you won't find me. I look forward to your summons from any county court.

From: discovery
Subject: Re: Final Request - FORMAL NOTIFICATION
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:54:25 +0100

amazing what details the Anglo Irish Bank will give out when you are to benefit from official visits - you might want to speak to them about giving out your forwarding address!

Shaun-Michael Adams aka Discovery
CEO & National Coaching Director
The Venusian Arts
+1 (213) 270 1191 (USA)
+44 (0) 788 555 3000 (UK cell/mobile)
+44 (0) 115 714 0865 (UK)
+61 (02) 8007 5552 (AUS)



On 19 Apr 2011, Christopher Flack

Anglo Irish Bank eh?
may I be so spineless and enquire where you acquired that information from?

I don't owe you a penny let's take this matter to court once and for all. I'll send you a summons first if that's what u want and you can counter sue I've done 3 law modules at university I know the system. I think we are both wasting our time.

Send my parents everything waste your time I think the only repricussion will be the pain from the financial loss.

What's your next move then?

5:20 PM (5 hours ago)
Christopher Flack
to me

show details 5:20 PM (5 hours ago)


Subject: Re: Final Request - FORMAL NOTIFICATION
From: discovery

Chris,

Your tone and attitude in Lying to me about the £1000 you owe me personally + £45 accommodation is beyond my wanting to pursue you in court - as it's personal - it will be personally collected - you had your chance. Oh and those collecting will be wanting reimbursed for their time and it's not coming out of my slice - do will let you plead your case to them face to face.

Suggestion - don't be all brave behind emails Chris - it won't last Long.



Right after my post on VA's Board here is what discovery came back with via text:
(I tried to attach two screenshot photos of the texts)

13/07/2011 06:06
Chris, what started out as you genuinely owing me some money personally - has now become an international stink - and because of yr direct actions (including false accusations, exaggerations etc) my reputation both personally and professionally has been tarnished. The offer was there to sort this out amicably, now everyone's else has taken the slander- libel - and it's gone global. Remember under slander rules - every claim you have made you must prove. So again, being reasonable I am offering this one last chance for you to retract your public statements or I am advised I must sue legally to clear all of the false accusations woven into ur claims (like you say "I stole £9000 from you") - totally false, but now all over the Internet which you are responsible for!. this is simply out of hand!

My response – 13/07/2011 08:01 (I was at work couldn’t give it my full attention)
Well I can't delete the post. I won't post it anywhere else if I can have my money back.

I was always for win win Chris, but now a whole team affected by what has been said and it is they, now pushing for the legal. The posts CAN be taken down, in fact because they contain comments about ME supposedly stealing £9000 from you, once you point out there are numerous inaccuracies THEY have to take it down or they get hit legally. re money back.. Don't forget it was you who owed money to Me for a personal program (nothing to do with VA or the coach program). Again all said and done, we are both now in damage limitation as now others are being affected financially. AND I do want you to be able to walk away peaceful in Your mind so there is no resentment fuelling further need to circulate the posts, personal details or accusations, so am sure as always in life there is a win win. But now time is against us and my colleagues wish to act and fund a legal case in UK as they fear it has spiralled out of control. I suggest we meet amicably and you have a sounding board to vent any frustrations at me and I will diligently listen, return my side and we can agree a way forward with a Gentlemen's shake of
the hand and an inner peace - the alternative. (already mentioned above). I trust as already mentioned there is a win win way forward.


…A few minutes ago
Well could you define sounding board? I have posted on PUA hate to make it unambiguous that you did not steal from me. I have no interest in slander or defamation of one another. I apologise for the threats earlier I will hold off sending it to Love Systems or RSD I doubt they would care either way. I do however intend to go on posting on until I have some form of refund as I think it is a bit unfair to spend £8416 and be left with nothing on my end except a few blog postings on pua hate. I would reiterate I have tried and asked for the posts to be removed in the past...heads up this has all been posted on pua hate as a defensive measure I have tried to be objective. I hope we can bring this to a swift deserved close. I would rather discuss this over text and not meet up (no offense)


So a number of things:
1.The mod on this site has to come back saying they would be happy to face any legal action Discovery is going to bring forth i.e slander, just a head's up. Otherwise there is no point me writing this if its all going to the recycle bin shortly. The only thing he seems to mention is this £9000 business.

2I want to make this unambiguous DISCOVERY DID NOT STEAL FROM ME. I gave the money willingly. £9000 consisting of £5666 for a Coaching program £1750 for a bootcamp and £1000 for a one on one. I was meant to pay £2000 for an extremely cheap one to one. I spent £8416 in total but I rounded it up to £9000 cos I also spent a lot of money on the camp tickets to Vegas one on one Avatar creation. Expenses in Vegas, cost of several strip clubs etc etc so I looked on it as £9000 infact it is £8000 if we want to round to the nearest thousand. Still a lot of money I am still paying off a £10,000 loan from my bank. My quarrel with Venusian arts is the fact that one of their representatives tried to manipulate me in an extremely malicious manner. As a result of this I consider my investment in VA to be the most foolish act of my lifetime. Discovery initiated the threats after I refused to pay the additional £1000 I most certainly will not do in light of his multitude of reactions.

3 think the fact it was deleted (as I predicted) so swiftly is demonstration that discovery did send the e-mails so no one can dispute the legitimacy of this thread. It shows they are not an open forum happy to detail information from unhappy customers.
Author:  Fvckitimout [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:48 pm ]
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I bet your parents are thinking they shouldv used a condom.

Its funny you are even proud to state you know all this previously because someone else already pursued you for your debts.

You remind me of that fat lady yelling at a rent-a-cop at Walmart.

PS. Its pretty obvious its you.
Author:  Chai [ Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:28 pm ]
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Yeah dude honestly you're not fooling anyone. Just pay VA what
you owe rightly to them so the matter can be sorted
accordingly. If you enroll for a service then you
pay for it just like everyone else, no If's or
but's about it.
Author:  The Wave [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:45 am ]
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Pretty pathetic.
Author:  dlightmen [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:39 pm ]
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Yeah... Dude needs to pay his bills. I wouldn't pay that much, with even Mystery. But he did. So he owes.

Using the ex-army guy thing was kinda dumb, tho.
Author:  DeRaNgEd LuNaTiC [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:25 pm ]
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First and foremost...THIS IS A BUSINESS!!
Author:  DeRaNgEd LuNaTiC [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery's company threatens former student
Quote:
This didn't happen to me. I am just passing this on from other forums, where there is a campaign to delete and suppress this info.

Original Post:


Guys i'm very worried I'm being blackmailed and extorted by the CEO of Venusian Arts. I'm contemplating going to the police. Basically I paid for a bootcamp and foolishy bought into their coach program and a 1-1 for a fine £9000 of which I've paid all but £1000. with a £10,000 loan which I'm now paying back.

Here is the correspondence. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Stupid guy...Huge waste of cash on an investment...but hey some people fail to see the obvious!!!

For a £10,000 loan this moron could have had a blast in Thailand that would have lasted him months instead of days in a controlled environment boot camp setting.

Here's why...a friend sent me this from his travels in Thailand...
Quote:
The most impressive thing about Thailand was the tranquility and genuiness niceness of the people - everyone is so happy and playful - there is almost no crime - never felt so safe in such a Mardi Gras environment - I think it's because it's a Budhist societ and they believe whatever they do will come back to you in Karma - these girls go temple for fun and talk with Budha - I know because I went and Monk cast good vibes on me (got to find those pics) - everyday this week I get an email like this
__________________________________________________ ___________

hello my darling I hope everyting is make u OK baby . I miss u somuch I don't no why all the tame all the day and all the night I jus ting abow u darling x x x maby I'm Crasy abow u tomuch . and now I with MAMA maby ufter 3-4 day I go back bangkok and do everytng abow paper for my scool . I will study and wat for only for u in thailand. no moer BOOM BOOM ater man for me I naver brake promiss and I hope u will coll me if u have tame or u not so busy abow your verking . if u busy frome your verking is OK I understan u darling noproplame. I jus want u know that I miss u a lot and I will wat for u baby x x x kisssssssssssss
How many baht fo' Fucky Sucky? 1 Thai baht = 0.032394 U.S. dollars

So do the math...It would be around $15-30 dollars and up in the major cities.

This poor schmuck could have gone to Thailand...had a travelers experience in a new culture....seen new things...made some new friends...experienced new tastes...fucked like a champion...and all this for considerably less than he spent on a Venusian Arts Boot camp.

Instead he opted to take out a loan to pay for a PUA course which he DID NOT research thoroughly

My hats off to the team at Venusian Arts...Bravo!!! The kid got what he deserved!!
Author:  juan47 [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:10 pm ]
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epic fail sir...im sorry but epic fail...
Author:  T Zennor [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:18 pm ]
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You should just prepare your self for war. I would if they threatend my parents. I would round up a bunch of pals and wait for them. Thats just my way of dealing with it.
Author:  Kieran Black [ Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:17 am ]
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Lol I love it when these big PUA companies threaten to sue people for slander.

Sorry boys, if you are going to make promises to guys that you can make them shit gold and piss rainbows then you had better make damn sure you can live up to your word because unless they are complete chumps, they will want to warn your other potential customers that you are full of shit.

I would estimate that out of all the thousands of 'slander lawsuits' that have been threatened in this community, exactly ZERO have come to fruition. Wankers.
Author:  Lionel [ Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:11 pm ]
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Well, most of the companies have a "not happy, money back" guarantee. If VA has it, I think VA owns this guy 9000 pound.
Author:  brary [ Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:43 am ]
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pretty sure he would have lost in court
Author:  joker5811 [ Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:30 am ]
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wow really? umm i see no wrong in you owing them money.
Author:  magicrob86 [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:13 pm ]
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you took out a loan
signed a contract

and found out paying 10k for a bootcamp wasnt the best investment so now you bitch, and want out of paying the full amount..

time to be a man, and take responsibility for your actions .. pay up
Author:  Koji Japan5 [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:49 am ]
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is all this for real though man?
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