PUA Forum :: those lines don't work

Actually... I have a reason to question it. It's called experience. I don't know about the Vegas whores Mystery was building his book on. But here, in Hungary, anything bad you say about a girl's cloth is considered a HUGE insult. You're questionning her style mate, it's no good. This whole concept of negging is also a very dangerous field. Most of the times you will just come off as a douche. It can be done properly but it's just much easier to avoid it. Here's my point:

When I compliment a girl, I mention characteristic features not her appeareance. So if I want to be playful, and go little poky, why would I pick on her appeareance? To make fun of the things she's doing right at that moment is way more subtle, socially more acceptable, even more funny, and in my experience much more effective.

I have a reason for hating these kinds of negs dude. I've failed with them countless times. From the most subtle to the most outragous one I've tried almost every one that is listed in that book. Actually...the more playful ones are really good. Like the nose wiggling thing, I love that. But several are just either plain shit or designed for the vegas ego queens(which I'm not interested in in any ways no matter how hot she is) Why bother calibrating this shit, when being JUST playful is not only easier, but more effective as well?

Author:	joes [ Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:04 pm ]
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come on "did you see the fight outside" and "my sister dates a guy names herman" are the worst lines Mystery doesn't even use em himself, with reason :p

Author:	Chai [ Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:43 pm ]
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Yet he was once the greatest pickup artist in the world for using those exact same lines on 1000's of girls Ahhhh...ignorance is bliss...

Author:	joes [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:38 am ]
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I'm not saying he is a bad pickup artist at all. But I do think he's keeping the good stuff for himself, or that he doesn't rely on premade openers at all. That the students just get the recycled stuff.

Author:	Chai [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:11 am ]
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In the show of VH1's:The Pickup Artist, Mystery even told the students that the material that he would give them was going to be "Stock material". This is material that has worked and been effectively used on women over the years and has been stored away for future reference, practice, analysis and general stockpile for others to use when the time comes...there will always come a time when you'll want to improve on a specific opener or line that can get you better results. Lets face it, after you've reached PUA you don't need specific lines anymore so you store them for others. I do believe Mystery didn't want to reveal his best tricks, but he did show his students some pretty impressive stuff that got them numbers, kisses and attraction from the women on the show and I think that's all they really needed I think

Author:	Leo Varone [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:41 am ]
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Do some rAFC not realize you should be trying to come up with your own lines and routines? The fact that some just recycle "I like your hair, is it real?" or "Who lies more, men or women?" just rubs me the wrong way. I think that is the problem, a lot of this stuff is written from the authors perspective and doesn't say "hey, this works for me, use it as a guide to find what works for you" Adam Lyons said something along those lines in a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtpIMns5 ... re=related I don't know how to make a link yet, sorry :[

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Author:	Chai [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:05 am ]
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Good video, but I don't think it was relevant Adam Lyons was talking about approach anxiety, not lines.

Author:	MynameisFisher [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:14 pm ]
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Nah the line that pissed me off really was this: Nice dress. I've seen seen the exact same on another girl last week. Come on... This is just rude.

Author:	Chai [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:46 pm ]
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It's a neg bro If you've got the balls to say that to a check I'm sure it'll be pretty effective. Also,the thing about negging a girl like that is that you've got to come off as confident and cocky in your delivery, otherwise she'll just think of you as a dick, but, if you present it to her in a playful manner it will be more effective.

Author:	MynameisFisher [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:44 pm ]
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Well if someone can pull that off in a funny way then it's time for him to start picking up chicks with lines like "Hey I think you're unoriginal and there's absolutely nothing special about you. You just lack style". Because that's quite what that one says.

Author:	Chai [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:18 am ]
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The one thing I've learned from pickup is that if you tend to over-analyze shit it may end up biting you in the ass and you'll just end up sitting in your own mind with wasted opportunities thinking about what could have been if I had just given something a try that took me out my comfort zone. Not that i'm not saying you shouldn't analyze and question shit, but if something is said and done for a specific intent and it is done that way... it's gotta work. This quote to me sums up everything the community stands for in a nutshell. Everything is simpler than you think and at the same time more complex than you imagine. by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

Author:	MynameisFisher [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:20 am ]
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Actually... I have a reason to question it. It's called experience. I don't know about the Vegas whores Mystery was building his book on. But here, in Hungary, anything bad you say about a girl's cloth is considered a HUGE insult. You're questionning her style mate, it's no good. This whole concept of negging is also a very dangerous field. Most of the times you will just come off as a douche. It can be done properly but it's just much easier to avoid it. Here's my point: When I compliment a girl, I mention characteristic features not her appeareance. So if I want to be playful, and go little poky, why would I pick on her appeareance? To make fun of the things she's doing right at that moment is way more subtle, socially more acceptable, even more funny, and in my experience much more effective. I have a reason for hating these kinds of negs dude. I've failed with them countless times. From the most subtle to the most outragous one I've tried almost every one that is listed in that book. Actually...the more playful ones are really good. Like the nose wiggling thing, I love that. But several are just either plain shit or designed for the vegas ego queens(which I'm not interested in in any ways no matter how hot she is) Why bother calibrating this shit, when being JUST playful is not only easier, but more effective as well?

Author:	hahaxiao [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:55 pm ]
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Yet he was once the greatest pickup artist in the world for using those exact same lines on 1000's of girls

Author:	MynameisFisher [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:06 pm ]
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Quote: Yet he was once the greatest pickup artist in the world for using those exact same lines on 1000's of girls Also mentally broken down, with no respect for women whatsoever other than "experimental tools"

Author:	Chai [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:18 pm ]
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Yeah but guy you can't not use negs EVER, at some point you will need to brush off the girl to show her that you're going to show dominance over her world while at the same time showing respect to her. If you're just all lovey dovy to her and compliment her all the time and whatnot conveys a tender neediness and she could take advantage of that sooner or later. The neg is a small childlike backhand insult to disarm the girl, just because she's hot does not mean that you'll take her shit. It's all in relation to the context in which the neg is delivered that makes it effective given the current situation. I mean, if I were to go up to a chick and say to her "Wow, that dress makes you looks so slutty! Hi I'm Chai!" That's not a neg, that's just an insult. Negs also go well in combination with body language. If you don't deliver a neg with a straight face and show no intention of coming off ass cocky, funny or arrogant and say to her "Nice dress. I've seen seen the exact same on another girl last week " You're just coming off as a dude who's rude and conveys himself as an asshole. But,if you walk up to the girl...or group whichever your fancy, and say to the hottest one, with confidence, cocky intent, arrogance and funny attitude and body rocking motion, plus a smile in mind and say..."Hey guys. Wow, I like your dress love! I've seen seen the exact same on another girl last week, you may have a twin sister floating around here! " See how much more effective the neg seems when inhibiting those aspects into conjunction with the delivery? Sure, you're insulting her, but you're playful about it. There are times when that opener or line has been used and the girl has replied " Don't lie dude, I spent $200 on this dress! Anyway, I have been told to have good fashion!" Believe it or not, that is the kinda response you're looking for! It doesn't matter about what you say, its about HOW you say it that makes it effective. Sure you can be playful all you want but if you don't show her that you aren't afraid to insult her cause you won't take her crap, then you'll just end up being the entertaining dude or the dancing monkey. If you've failed with the negs in the past, then maybe it wasn't the material that was the problem maybe it was the way in which you delivered it and showed your intent that made it that less effective.

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Author:	SmoothOp [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:51 pm ]
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Quote: Actually... I have a reason to question it. It's called experience. I don't know about the Vegas whores Mystery was building his book on. But here, in Hungary, anything bad you say about a girl's cloth is considered a HUGE insult. You're questionning her style mate, it's no good. This whole concept of negging is also a very dangerous field. Most of the times you will just come off as a douche. It can be done properly but it's just much easier to avoid it. Here's my point: When I compliment a girl, I mention characteristic features not her appeareance. So if I want to be playful, and go little poky, why would I pick on her appeareance? To make fun of the things she's doing right at that moment is way more subtle, socially more acceptable, even more funny, and in my experience much more effective. I have a reason for hating these kinds of negs dude. I've failed with them countless times. From the most subtle to the most outragous one I've tried almost every one that is listed in that book. Actually...the more playful ones are really good. Like the nose wiggling thing, I love that. But several are just either plain shit or designed for the vegas ego queens(which I'm not interested in in any ways no matter how hot she is) Why bother calibrating this shit, when being JUST playful is not only easier, but more effective as well? +1 Experience trumps some lame ass idiot wearing lame ass cloths telling lame ass lines to some lame ass guys. Just because he has a method, and is in a book doesn't mean shit. I have experience with women(GFs and friends) and if some creepy ass dude came up to them at the bar saying some retarded opinion opener, they would 100% ignor the guy. I'm not saying his method is not good, it is the building block for PU but lot's of his material is horrible. His opener's are crap and you should think of your own that have something to do with the situation. Really how natural is it to walk up to a women, out of a group of 200 people in a club and ask her her opinion on some irrelevant shit that you shouldn't even be thinking about in the bar. When I started off, I read mystery method and all that crap, it made my approach anxiety 100% worse just because the openers where completely random and just plain stupid. When I stopped and made up my own reason's(openers) or went direct, my AA disapeared like magic! That opener does suck, and will get you ignored by hot girls unless they are crazy. And you should analyze the lines you use. If they don't feel natural and are stupid, then drop them.