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Author:  Love Hypnotist [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:20 am ]
Post subject:  First girlfriend: need advice!

Hey guys!
Long time no see. I used to log in here with the nickname "Mind Hacker". I use mainly Speed Seduction and NLP if anyone remember me. I lost my account and created this one.

I'll try to cut a very long story here short.
I've been out of PU for some time, focusing on my life in other aspects. I used to PU a lot, but never had a solid LTR, which I want right now.

A few months ago, my mom opened her own church and asked me to help her there. So, I became a pastor there.
It seems this position in the church worked well to catch attention from the ladies.
A few days ago a member of the church told me another girl was in love with me for 7 months!
Then suddenly everybody started talking about this. Including my mom, the other pastor and the mom of this girl (who's also a member of the church).
I went ahead and asked her if she really liked me like people said. It ended up the answer was yes.
We made our first meeting at the mall and she was reluctant to kiss. She said she never kissed before and never had a boyfriend. But she declared she really wanted to get to know me better.
Then she came with some major shitstorm: she told my mom on the phone that she was afraid of interfering in my activities in the church. She also told my mom that she didn't want that I hurt her feelings.
We met again at the mall and I tried to make her feel more secure saying it was in her head. We then kissed in this afternoon.
Then at another day my mom invited her to have a quick meal at my house. She came and we talk/kissed as always.

Ok. Here's a few more data:
* She studies at university in the morning and works in the afternoon. At night she goes to the church every night. She told me she's very busy. She works in a hospital and have some crazy schedule, like working in some weekends.
* She's 5 years younger than me. I'm 27.
* She NEVER calls me or sends me SMS.
* When we meet at the church she gets a ride at my mom's car to the bus stop. She hugs me and kisses me and then leave.
* Her mom said she approves our relationship. (I know that sounds retarded, but it's common in the Christian community).
* This girl seemed to be very insecure. She said she thought I'd never date her because she's half-black and her mom works as house maid, while I'm white and from a richer family.

3 days ago I said to her "when you arrive me give me a ring and I'll call you to see if you arrived at home safely.". She DIDN'T DO it. Next day she said she thought it was late in the night. I said "Ok. But you can call me anyway". The next day she did call me. Then yesterday she DIDN'T CALL me again.

She previsouly told me she would be available to go out this Sunday. Then yesterday she told me she'll be busy this Sunday.

This is all starting to look weird. Her behaviour just doesn't match. For someone who's in love why is she being so cold?
I need advice for:
a) How to proceed?
b) Is it normal or is she playing me?
c) Why does she seem into me when she meets me in the church, but not so much when far away from me?

Author:  LeVoir [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: First girlfriend: need advice!

Well, you are nervous about where she spends her free time - but have you two clearly defined your relationship or are you just dating?

Let go of suspicions and find out more about what she does in her free time, and if she is unwilling to open up tell her that it bothers you? You were an ex-PUA so I don't think we have to go into too much about escalation and rapport building. But it seems like she clearly has some insecurities and you need to get around them, because those insecurities can make people do stupid shit. Beyond that, it just sounds like you need to take your time in building rapport because from the way you describe her - any mis-step you take will almost always be taken personally.

Prepare for that and just have that definition of relationship and expectations talk.

Author:  CharlesFinley [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First girlfriend: need advice!

If she's got a phone, start texting her.

You don't text or talk on the phone? That's fuckin weird man.

I mean, to each his own - and if that's what works for you, fine... but that's very weird.

The fact you only ever see her at a church makes me wonder what you expect to even get out of this. Let's be honest: This is going to one very long climb to get her into the sack.

If you used to practice pickup I'm a little surprised you're OK with slow-playing it like this (unless you've got others on the side).

Author:  Love Hypnotist [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First girlfriend: need advice!

Hi guys! I updated the original post with more information.

Let me answer those who answered me:
I don't know if we're dating or in a relationship. Her words speak relationship but her actions don't. It's also only in the beginning.

Should I text her at all when she can't call me when I ask her to call me?

Thanks guys! Please keep answering me! Although I'm used to pickup I'm totally noob to relationships.

Author:  CharlesFinley [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First girlfriend: need advice!

Ok this is SO not pickup. You used to be into this stuff? This sounds like kid shit "does she like me?" - but it's so complicated by the whole church thing.

Forget her mother. Forget your mother. Forget the 'church' or community and let's look at her behavior:

If I knew nothing about either of you, and you asked me to tell you what her behavior sounded like, I'd say it sounded like she is your priority and you are not hers. That or she doesn't give a fuck about anything.

That means she either has another priority... or she doesn't care enough about the ones she has.

You guys literally go to church 7 nights a week? I'd love to see her phone... Maybe she's a good girl and I'm completely wrong - but I bet she's got 10 guys on there.

Does she keep contact with you because her mother tells her to? Cause really - Who is this innocent and disconnected? We're not living in the fucking 1920s...

Maybe I'm wrong - I am wrong lots.

Author:  Love Hypnotist [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First girlfriend: need advice!

Yes, she goes every night to the Church. Actually she takes 2 buses alone just to go to the church. Recently, her mother hasn't been going.

Me too, because I'm the Pastor, so I have to go.

Well, I wouldn't bet on her innocence. That's why I'm so confused.

From her looks I'd bet she has 20 guys. From her controlling/religious family, not so much.

Author:  younglady [ Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First girlfriend: need advice!

She's not cold, she's cautious. If you have ever wondered how some girls manage to remain virgins, this is how. They do not start calling you and texting you when they don't even know you. They do not enter your bedroom after knowing you for 2 hours. They do not have sex on the first or even second date - well a virgin doesn't have sex on any date. This girl's behavior explains how she has reached you in her current state. Dude I mean it's common sense.
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Does she keep contact with you because her mother tells her to? Cause really - Who is this innocent and disconnected?
me

Except for the part where I make sure to research everything...

Author:  CharlesFinley [ Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First girlfriend: need advice!

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She's not cold, she's cautious. If you have ever wondered how some girls manage to remain virgins, this is how. They do not start calling you and texting you when they don't even know you. They do not enter your bedroom after knowing you for 2 hours. They do not have sex on the first or even second date - well a virgin doesn't have sex on any date. This girl's behavior explains how she has reached you in her current state. Dude I mean it's common sense.
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Does she keep contact with you because her mother tells her to? Cause really - Who is this innocent and disconnected?
me

Except for the part where I make sure to research everything...

OP said she'd had a thing for him for 7 months... not 2 hrs... With multiple dates since. If this truly is a "cautious" girl... then I certainly hope you have girls on the side and this isn't the only one you're gaming.

Author:  Love Hypnotist [ Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First girlfriend: need advice!

Researching on the net, she fits the description of "Validation Vacuum". This text explains it:
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Here is an amazing post about some interesting insight into female behavior, and things to look for when coming across a girl that seems to be playing tons of games. Its a funny thing about dating.. its not hard. And when dating becomes difficult, there are reasons for it. None of them good.

When the two of you are together, things just click. She's perfect in every way.

In a world where women are either snobby ******* who don't give you a look in or every girl you get seems to turn out crazy...along comes this shining light. She's gorgeous, she laughs at your jokes, you can be yourself around her and feel completely comfortable, the sex is great etc etc. But it's not even just about sex. It's more than that.

She...gets you.

There's just one problem.

When the two of you aren't together, you feel like a wreck.

Why?

You text her and can be waiting hours, sometimes days for a reply. When the reply does come, it's brief. She doesn't even ask questions. Sometimes it can be as simple and closed as 'Ha. Yeah...'

It seems like when the two of you AREN'T together and enjoying this deep-rooted connection you have, she's not even that interested. This doesn't make sense: you could have sworn she was in love with you the last time you saw her!

Shit...the last time you saw her was three weeks ago!

You were supposed to go out on a date last week, but something came up at the last minute. She had to babysit/study/was exhausted from a tough day in work. Last week, same deal. She did say: "I'll make it up to you tho " so you'd forgotten about it. But now a week has passed and that wink has still to be converted into any ACTUAL making up!!

This doesn't make sense. If it was as simple as her saying one thing and doing another, you'd know that you were getting played. But she's not.

When you finally manage to tie her down...it's perfection.

It's like that line in that Alanis Morrissette song: "An old man turned 98. He won the lottery, then died the next day."

A lot of us spend our whole lives striving for perfection. But when you get everything you want, this crazy little thing called life can take it all away in a heartbeat.

And when you're around this girl, it feels that way. Like you've found exactly what you're looking for. Like you've got to do whatever it takes to hold onto it...because, if you mess it up, you're back at square one and won't get another shot at 'it'.

So the more you don't see her, the more your brain will naturally conspire against you to make you think that you're doing something wrong. That you're messing things up.

Who'd have thought that perfection could destroy you?

Well, I'm letting you off the hook. Because this isn't perfection you've found. Far from it.

You, sir, have encountered a Validation Vacuum (VV for short).

She's not a slut...not by my definition anyway. A slut is somebody who uses her sexuality to manipulate 80-year old's into signing their life savings away...or will sleep with her grotesque boss to get a promotion...They know they're doing wrong and don't care. They deserve a scornful name like a slut.

The VV breed of woman possesses extremely low self-esteem. She believes that she doesn't deserve a man who can make her happy. Maybe she has daddy issues or some similar case that I would pity if she didn't chew decent men up and spit them out.

It is sad if you think about it. A woman who turns herself from a person who BELIEVES they don't deserve a good guy (generally thanks to a previous man in their life) into a woman who genuinely doesn't deserve a good guy. These tend to be the girls who marry the cheating and beating husbands. The type we wouldn't be surprised to see on Jeremy Kyle one day...as the pregnancy tests reveals that the prick is the father of her child, at the expense of the unfortunate nice guy.

But don't spend too much time feeling sorry for them. We're all dealt our cards, it's how we deal with them that defines how we will eventually live our lives. And if you're like I was in more naive days, you'll end up thinking about it then thinking you can 'change' them. Sorry, but life doesn't work that way.

These days, my own personal attitude towards women is that I want to get out there, encounter as many as possible then find the best. To do this, you'll HAVE to encounter validation vacuums at times. They're everywhere. And you'll HAVE to fine tune your selection process to rule them out immediately.

Here's some further helpful hints for spotting them:

They're in constant contact with every ex they've ever had and try to make you feel as if it's normal behaviour. (I could do a whole article on this point alone. In short: no, no, it's not)

They don't feel as if they should be held accountable for their behaviour (i.e. let you know where they're going, what they're doing etc. They'll be deliberately secretive or illusive

They've got an excuse for everything and they all seem believable at the time. (Validation vacuums are generally good, compulsive liars)

You're constantly second priority in their plans. In other words, they'll make time for friends, family, school, sleep, procrastinating, almost anything above you. And, once again, they'll attempt to make you feel as if this is all normal behaviour and that YOU'RE in the wrong for thinking otherwise.

She will do, say, act however you want to keep you interested. If she feels like she's losing you and the ONLY thing she can do is give you a blow-job to hold onto you...despite the fact that she rarely gives blow-jobs...she'll do it in a heartbeat. The VV's need this constant attention and validation from men or it'll make them confront emotions that they'd much rather avoid.


In short: If you find yourself thinking, "This doesn't seem right..." but instead of questioning this girl's logic, you question your own then you are with a VV.

Oh, and because I know that a fair few women actually read this, if you apply to the above you ARE a VV. You can reply and argue with me if you want...it'll give guys a good heads-up.

Here's my rationale towards these girls:

GREAT for quick hook-up's, flings etc.

GREAT for random, exciting adventures and experiences.

GREAT for boredom texts, calls etc.

HORRIBLE for everything else.


This woman will not be your loving girlfriend (she may suck it up and be a terrible gf for a while though if she's short of options) or your wife. When you're given the choice between spending time with this woman and pretty much anyone else, choose the latter.

Once again, I'll re-iterate: these women shouldn't be treated with scorn. Often, very sad circumstances lead them to being this way.

But it's NOT your responsibility to help them. Nor is it possible to. You can't help someone who doesn't truly WANT to be helped. And you can't MAKE them want to be helped.

You're not going to change them. If someone is BUILT to respond negatively to being treated well, then what can you do for them?

Feel sorry for them from afar.

Since it IS your responsibility to give yourself the best life possible, go out and actually find the perfect girl instead of settling for mutton dressed as lamb.
Reading this text is like it's describing her with extreme precision. What do you guys think? Any tips on how to deal with this?

Author:  younglady [ Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First girlfriend: need advice!

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OP said she'd had a thing for him for 7 months... not 2 hrs... With multiple dates since. If this truly is a "cautious" girl... then I certainly hope you have girls on the side and this isn't the only one you're gaming.
Like I said...virgin...it doesn't matter how long she's liked him. Not being hasty is very important for the few women who don't want to be sluts. You know, taking lots of time to think everything through. That, and also not allowing any guy to be hasty, either. This can't be very hard to understand?!?!

Listen, one of the tricks of the trade is, you like a guy... So, you be nice to him, but keep a certain amount of distance for a just a few months, you don't need a whole year. You get time to analyze every single thing he does. And the guy's true intentions will start to come out, usually before 6 months are up.

It takes some nerves of steel to do this stuff, which is why most women really don't do it anymore. Whereas most women used to do it a couple of centuries back. It's not great technique for getting hookups and "dates", but it's fabulous for getting marriage material. Which is what this Christian chick is probably looking for. I'm going to assume this girl is genuine and is not dating anyone else.
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Reading this text is like it's describing her with extreme precision. What do you guys think? Any tips on how to deal with this?
You never mentioned this girl's exes? How can this be describing her perfectly when all this girl does is church and work? She has exes that you didn't mention before?

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