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Author:  Shazzam The Man [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:47 am ]
Post subject:  Philly guy determined to become a PUA
Hi everyone.

I live in Phildelphia.
I'm 22.
Got into the game when I was tired of not having a girlfriend. Eventually the internet led me here.
I've been studying/practicing the game since December 2008.
I used to use Ross Jeffries' direct approach, but then realized that doesn't work very often. I'm currently picking up tips from the MPUA forum and reading through the GuyGetGirl Advanced Seduction guide.
My short term goals: Hit on 3 women a week and increase my seduction skills.
Long Term goals: Have a larger network of female friends and become a PUA.

I've recently been striking out using the techniques I used to use so I decided to step up my game. I found this site and after reading over some of the material here, I'm determined to become a PUA. I'm one of the most resolute people I know when I want to achieve something. I'm looking forward to improving myself with the help of everyone on here and hopefully be the one helping others one day. Glad to be here!
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:41 pm ]
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Dont look to become a PUA;look to become good socially.

Look to become a social master.

To just be all about picking up girls will lead you to not getting any girls.

Until I learned to re-focus my game on being a social guy,that's when I started picking up.

Women hate the idea of PUA and they could just spot a gamer from miles away.

Typical guys who aspire to be PUA,you usually can see them stalking in the club.

On the prowl looking to chase every girl and ends up going home alone every weekend.
Author:  Shazzam The Man [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:09 pm ]
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Thanks k-loc. I'll try to focus on being more social rather than picking up. Do you have any suggestions on how I can become better socially? How does someone become a social master? What can you do to lead yourself there?

I don't know if it helps at all, but I have been doing the newbie mission under general questions section of the forum.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:02 pm ]
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Well the key is to still do PU,but in the context of being social at it.

The classic ID of a newbiew aspiring to be a PUA is the guy in the bar /club by himself in a corner prowling.

They neglect to focus on being social nd getting to now ppl in the venues and chatting up ppl.

So when you enter a venue(club),a social- master PUA would say hi to the 1st group he encounters on the way in,chat them up a bit then say,enjoy the night.

No focus on PU in that 1st set 'caus he's building social proof since he just entered.

A wanna-be PUA(newbie)would enter the venue,no smiles,hurry off to the nearest bar or corner to hide out 'cause he's scared of the spotlight.

He wont chat up random ppl whether men or women.

Then he'd stalk a lone wolf for 10 minutes,then approach without social proof and get blown out because the girl had noticed him checcing her out all night,i.e.stalking her.

Give the bartender a high 5 or a handshake or pat on the shoulder and say,"damn,yo make a good martini".Whatever.

Other ppl and HB's will see this,that you're such a cool guy-rockstar.

As you're ordering your drinks at the bar,chat up the nearest person,whether men or women.

Tell the guy,"Hey cool shirt".

Say to girl(s) at bar when ordering,"Hey which 1 of yall are is the youngest"?They're actually having a drink special for the youngest girl out of her group.I'll be the judge of which look younger".

Then just play with them and have the girls debate and say,"no Karens' the oldest,no Jenny' youngest".

The key here isnt to PU right away but to build allies per-say.

These girls will see you later on in the venue and re-open you.

HB's:"Hey it's the cool guy from the bar".

You do this with like 5 sets of girls and you'd be surprised on how many girls re-open you throughout the night.

You wont be able to keep up(lol)!

There gonna be girls calling you from every angle.

What causes this?

The fact that you "walked away",didnt hit on them and they see that you're a cool guy from being acquainted with the bartender,groups of girls,security staff,bouncer,etc.

The basics of indirect game,which I love.

While all of this is hapening to the social- master PUA.

Do you know what the aspiring PUA is doing?

Still scratching & snifting and preying on 1 single girl.

While the Social guy has 10 options on whom to take home.

This works best if the venues smaller where the girl would most likely see you at work socializing and making everyone happy.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:07 pm ]
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Being social in a general setting:café,library,grocery,

say hi to everyone you pass or meet.

Start a small chat with granny about the weather on the line at the store.

All this makes you comfortable after a while,makes you fiendly and attractive and makes girls more willing to enter your world.
Author:  inthegreen [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:58 am ]
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Quote:
Being social in a general setting:café,library,grocery,

say hi to everyone you pass or meet.

Start a small chat with granny about the weather on the line at the store.

All this makes you comfortable after a while,makes you fiendly and attractive and makes girls more willing to enter your world.
Solid shit right here.
Author:  Shazzam The Man [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:33 am ]
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Damn, k-loc. That's some great information right there. Thanks a lot! Solid shit indeed.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:41 am ]
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@Shazzam The Man-Thanks for the props.

@Inthe green-thanks too bro'.

Club game is my shit.

I suck at LTR,semi-decent at cold appoached in day time.

But club/bar game,Im a rebel at it.

I really learned solid club from the dating coach Speers Edge(Speer Method).

He mainly focused on social proofing and working the room.

It's like why zone in on 1 girl the whole night when you can have 5 girls re-opening you.

You can only take 1 girl home truthfully,but the odds are greater with 5 interested girls than with 1 girl you have to chase all night.

If a girl re-opens you later,there's no doubt she's attracted and looking to be laid!

The willingness to walk away is the key guys.

Other guys(natural,AFC's)after opening the set would ramble off until they C&B(crash & burn).

After I deliver my initial opener(opinion or whatever)at the bar,Im gone!

This would have the girls saying,"Damn,he's not like the rest who never get the hint to leave".

Then you can later re-open that set or that girl,if she doesnt spot you and re-opens you first.
Author:  PurpleLight [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:00 am ]
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@Shazzam The Man-Thanks for the props.

@Inthe green-thanks too bro'.

Club game is my shit.

I suck at LTR,semi-decent at cold appoached in day time.

But club/bar game,Im a rebel at it.

I really learned solid club from the dating coach Speers Edge(Speer Method).

He mainly focused on social proofing and working the room.

It's like why zone in on 1 girl the whole night when you can have 5 girls re-opening you.

You can only take 1 girl home truthfully,but the odds are greater with 5 interested girls than with 1 girl you have to chase all night.

If a girl re-opens you later,there's no doubt she's attracted and looking to be laid!

The willingness to walk away is the key guys.

Other guys(natural,AFC's)after opening the set would ramble off until they C&B(crash & burn).

After I deliver my initial opener(opinion or whatever)at the bar,Im gone!

This would have the girls saying,"Damn,he's not like the rest who never get the hint to leave".

Then you can later re-open that set or that girl,if she doesnt spot you and re-opens you first.
I'm right with you there man, I'm a fucking rockstar in a club with becoming buddy-buddy with everyone, and once everyone sees how cool you are, dance floor game becomes MUCH easier ;)
Author:  Shazzam The Man [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:58 am ]
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Not only that, but I would think the jealousy factor would also come into play with all the girls you've opened at the club.

I'm not allowed to make threads yet (due to my amount of posts), but maybe you guys could help me with something else. I've recently been roaming nearby malls saying "hi" to girls I pass so I can raise my confidence (I can't always do it when I pass them; I'm still gaining confidence so that I can). But I figure why stop there? So I decided that each time I do this, I would hit on one of the girls I talk to. So my question is what's a good way to open a girl in the mall?

Also, what are good methods to open girls on a university campus, university library, and class? I'm at these places a lot and I feel like there's a lot of potential. I just want to do it right instead of come off as "that creepy guy on campus."

Another problem I have is persisting with girls in conversation. For example, today, when I was doing my mall run, I passed by a girl and as I passed her I started a conversation that went like this:

Me (walking past her): Cool boots
HB (looks at me and smiles): Thanks
Me (now I was already past her so I turn around): You know, I could just keep walking (pause) but would you like to have lunch sometime?
HB: Uh, I have a boyfriend
Me: Oh, so I invite you to lunch and I'm already a threat to your boyfriend?
HB: I don't think he would like it
Me (not knowing what to say now): It's cool
HB: Sorry...

So the conversation died there and I felt stuck.

I hope you guys can help me with everything I mentioned. And hopefully my pick up/logic isn't riddled with holes lol.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:06 pm ]
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@PurpleLight-I kow what you mean about dance-floor game being easier after you'd worked the room and being buddy-buddy with everyone.

It's friggin' hard for an HB to reject a guy who everyone's accepted:the bartender,staff,other guys.

Being friendly with guys also in the venue is key.

I used to not speak to guys while in venue.

But now,if Im ordering drinks and there's a guy(s)next to me,Im gonna small talk with him.

If he's having a blast,Im gonna chat with him and hi-5 like I know his ass(lol).

Shazzam The Man-Definitely jealousy factor would kick in.

Library game:

I forgot the dating coach who came up with this but when he sees an HB checcing out books,he would act like an expert on a subject or librarian and start commending books for the girl.

Example:

Me:"Hey,can I help?Im the librarian here.

HB:"[Not sure to believe you]...

Key is to not wait for her to answer yes or no.Just throw your routine.

Me:"What are you looking for"?

HB:"Am,bla,bla,bla..."

Whatever subject she says,bust on it.

Me:"Buiness!?Oh you're 1 of them".

If done right,she should say with a curious smile,"What you mean 1 of them"?

Point is to not stay on that 1 topic which would stale out.

So you'd have to go into some routine or opener(usually school related).

The key in no becoming that "creepy guy" is indirect gaming.

Since you know you're gonna run into her again perhaps at library or class,dont go for a # close that day.

Just have fun with her and dont hit on her directly.

Once she rejects you and you take it bad,you've now become that "creepy guy".

Mall openers while passing an HB.

I like that you said,"cool boots".

Totally separates you from the guys complimenting her on general stuff.

You definitely cannot ask a girl to lunch when you havent even attracted her with anything.

So your calibration & timing is way off!

And maybe you're not using fale-time constraints & body rock outs.

The convo' died 'cause you didnt stack forth and change the subject.

Me:"Cool boots".

HB:"Thank".

Me:"[As I half turn around]Hey,tell me where are the hot spots in town.Im new around".

HB:"Bla,bla,bla[even if she says she doesnt know]".

Me:"[False-time constraint]Im in a rush so I gotta keep it moving.I heard of club *** being hectic".

"Last weekend,my female feiend Kasie told me about a major cat fight.2 girls fighting over a guy name George who was actually secretly dating both of them...[This' a little twist to Mystery's routine]".

Thekey when delivering the above line of a cat fight at club *** is to be animated and actually seem true.

So say it in a semi-exaggerated tone.

Me:"So would you fight over a guy name George"?

HB:"Bla,bla,bla"

At this point,you would move her to a lock-in position[I actually learned this by watching VH1's- 1st season of the pick up artist].

So as the girl becomes invested in convo',just simply move to a seated location or to the side as she talks.

She will follow you to sit down,or you just simply say,"Hey I cant hear you from so far,lets sit".

Or smply say,"damn Im tired of standing,lets it a bit while I wait on my friends".

Since she's talking(invested),she will come sit 9 out of 10 times.

The fact that you False-time constrainted["Let's sit A BIT"],that will have made her willing to sit with you or stand to the side.

Then change subject again,stack forward another routine or opinion opener.

After a little of this,you can then bring up a lunch meeting or # exchange or go on an instant date.

Say to her,"let's walk,dont be lazy(lol)",at which point you can hold her hands(fingers)to pull her up from the bench,etc.(KINO).

Then simply walk and she will follow.

Go on an instant date to get donuts or some shit(lol).

If she then brings up bf,this would've been perfect time for you to use your line,"...Im already a threat to your bf...".

At this point,your dominant frame should win.
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