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Author:  puajourney [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:04 am ]
Post subject:  JUST BEGINNING THE PUA JOURNEY PLZ HELP.

I will just start this out as quick as I can. My name is Mike and I don't need a nickname yet. I don't know what happened that has changed the way women see me. I used to have alot of girls all throughout school. In middle school I was one of the most popular guys, and in Highschool I was also very known on the "just friends" basis. I did end up meeting a very beautiful girl in there and we dated 5 years.

Now, we just broke up and yeah it's hard, but it seems now not only did I lose my game completely, I tend to freeze up and get anxiety attacks around girls. This has all never happened to me before. I'm not here to wanna F-Close any girl I meet.(Though that would be great.) I am just here to be able to hold a seductive conversation with anyone. Since my career path is Advertising I feel not only would this journey help me on a romance level it will also help me in my career.

Any pointers for a beginner will be great. I've been reading The Game, The Art of Seduction, and I've heard Mystery's audio books. So I am slowly progressing. But I need more.

Thanks Guys,
By the way keep this site open forever. I'm not the only one who is socially outcasted right now. Alot of my friends have been too, but they dont want to admit it. I'm hoping maybe if this all works for me I can help them out or just guide them in the right direction.

Author:  w1ng [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:27 am ]
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Ok basic concepts:

"Leave her better then you left her"
You have to go in with a lot of energy. Don't think of your ex.

"Replace, don't chase a bad set"
set=group of people. Don't go back to your ex. Ever. You just got hit with one-itis and that is what your feeling now. Get another girl to replace her by pulling routines, #-closing, and of course confidence.

"Confidence"
Remember, YOU ARE the prize. Never apologize. If she wants to give you a blowjob, two sucks and thats it.

Learn some openers, mid-game, and just HAVE FUN. :o

Author:  PhoneHelp [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: JUST BEGINNING THE PUA JOURNEY PLZ HELP.

Since your career path is Advertising and client interaction at some point

You might want to consider Ross Jefferies and David Deangelo. I like David because his style has a little more class than Mystery. I found Mystery method useful but classless though people would disagree in here.

Author:  Finchy [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:42 pm ]
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I recently picked up a girl whos ex is still crazy about her so obviously this kid hates me, surprisingly I dont have that much of a problem with him
She's considered getting back together with him and openly discussed this with me and because I genuinely care about her happiness and dont live in the same country anyway I've told her to go for it but everytime she just comes running back to me.
I know a bit about her ex and I feel sorry for him because I'm obviously fucking his one-itis but when i see how he's screwing it up and helps me see what not to do if I'm ever in his position.
Let me tell you a bit about this chap, and how he went from being total Jock to AFC..

He was very popular in school, he dated the cheerleader captain, he was the 1st team rugby captain, head boy and valedictorian. His parents are loaded so he always got the coolest gear, cars and he could buy any chick he wanted. He left school with a scholarship, and took his girl with him to South Africa where he got engaged to her.
Then one day his girl lost interest and broke up with him and his whole world crumbled, he was no longer in school so he wasnt surrounded by people who knew him and looked up to him. His wife-to-be broke up with him and since they shared mutual friends and she's such a cool chick they all chose to spend time with her rather than him.... and at that time, I met her.
So now all his mates are friends with the one guy who he resents most in the world (me). So he feels real hard done by.
But what I've discovered here is that he's his own worst enemy at the moment and all his problems are in his head.
His friends obviously all prefer him over me and just because they're polite to me it dosent mean they dont want him around. they all talk so highly about him and try convince my girl (sometimes in front of me) to get back together with him.... she considers it but when she tries to get close he's impatent and tries to force himself onto her and blows it.
He meets new girls with his mates but all he speaks about is himself... he obviously needs attention and some self esteme boost. and when he's not speaking about himself he's talking about his ex... bad move. He says he tries to get back in the game but dosent know what else to do. Everything else he says comes across as put on because he hasnt dealt with himself first.
I've tried to be considerate towards him by not touching and kissing my girl infront of him but despite me trying to be a gentleman, he slags me off and tries to fight me or show me up every chance he gets. He puts all the blame on me for everything thats wrong in his life but unfortunately for him I live in a different country, so when I leave and it all carries on he goes fucking crazy.

What I'm getting to is that I dont think he even knows what he's doing here but the main thing I make of all this is that his confidence is so low that if he dosent work on himself first he'll have a tough time forever.

If he looked back and saw his past successes and gave himself credit for them it would make a start to getting his confidence back. He's no different to the confident guy who made it to the top when he was in school so instead of focusing on whats gone wrong in his life he should think about what whent right.
He needs to know it takes time but if you realise that the time you dont feel as confident gets shorter and shorter and eventually diminishes and the time where you do feel confident gets bigger than you'll be armed with the patience to move on and get out there and get things rolling for yourself.

Ok I think you get the picture, draw you own conclusion here...
Just a thought... use it dont use it.

Author:  PhoneHelp [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:39 am ]
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Finchy : You are a really good guy ! That is very good and refreshing in this forum. I have been in your shoes and so I completely see where you are coming from.

Now this is a soap opera. And my guess is all you guys are probably between 22-25yrs if not younger. I see why you feel bad for the guy and to see someone who has done so well in his life now hitting a low point in his life probably makes you feel bad. This guy has to deal with a lot of things- his reputation, the humiliation that his girl broke off, you the new guy, his self respect etc.. But there is nothing that you can do about this. The girl, even if she takes him back will never like him the same way and things would never go back to the same thing for them. He needs to gather himself, re-establish and earn his respect in his friend circle. He needs time, he needs to figure it out for himself, which he would eventually as we all do.

As for the girl, since you don't live in her country, you feel bad for the guy and I'd believe you have other options/girls so I would say get out of there. If she was soo sure about you then she would not have want to get back with her ex. You are her rebound guy.Not too many PUAs would agree with me but the thing is never do anything that you can't live with. And since you are writing this post I believe you don't feel too good about the way things are shaping up. So why be in between all this mess. A guy who is good with women is indifferent about whether or not she is with him.

The girl would find someone else if its not you, believe me. Let her do whatever she wants. If there is somewhere you don't want to be then don't be there.

If you really want to help this guy out give him then introduce him to David Deangelo's books on dating. He would know then what he is doing wrong and what a wussy he is becoming into.

Get out of all this mess because at the end of the day there are millions of women out there without an emotional baggage and you would be much happier and would have fun doing your thing.

Hey you are a pretty good guy, don't lose your quality along the way. Happy sarging !!

Author:  Finchy [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:41 am ]
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Phone Help: Thanks for the compliments and the outside view of what I wrote. Its good advice as I often find myself in this sort of position so I will try what you've said.

I'm cool with the situation and have a few MLTR in my home country and other countries I visit (I've been traveling for a few years now) so I'm really dont mind either way what happens with this girl, she is first and foremostly a friend so I would like to see her happy.

However I think maybe you missed what I was trying to achieve here.
I dont have any loyalties for this guy and I'm not trying to help him, but it dosent stop me from being a gentleman while I game his one-itis.
I was actually indirectly giving puajourney advice.

Puajourney: The main reason for my post was to help you and demonstrate to you how a break-up (even if it wasnt a nasty one) can affect a persons confidence and how avoiding the consequences can be the start of losing your game. You said you have aproach anxiety and that normally come from feeling inadequate. Rather than dwell in what whent wrong in your life with women, concentrate on giving yourself recognition on where you suceeded and build on that as the foundation of your confidence. You'll soon start losing your aproach anxiety as you'll convince yourself that you're the prize.

I hope you got something valuable from my "beat-around-the-bush" method... lol

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