gunwitch is goin after solo hbs not group pick up
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| Author: | GoldenBoy889 [ Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:08 pm ] |
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I am new to the PUA community, so forgive my audacity to say this, but I think opinion openers suck. I've tried them, rolled with them, and gotten girls to like me by getting to know them through an opinion opener. It's no secret that opinion openers work, but they are not natural. Part of why opionion openers are relatively successful is because you're calling a girl out on something out of the blue. Plus, it engages her. Certainly not the typical thing to do when you're waiting at the doctor's office or something. However, by accepting that conversations that start with opinion openers aren't the normal day to day type of discussions most people have is to assume that just sitting there quietly, passively and disconnected to any one else in the room is. I think not. What is normal and natural is to be polite and engaging with everyone around you. I read somewhere that goes something like, "A gentleman makes everyone in the room feel comfortable and happy to be where they are (around the gentleman)." This should a motto to live by. But back to my point in case.. from the get-go I have thought opinion openers are feeble attempts that work to a mild degree; sort of like trick plays in football. But there aren't any NFL teams out there who run trick plays every down, so a professional PUA shouldn't either. A good friend of mine who has been into PUA for about three years shares this same view. He is the one who said the words that I was thinking when he told me opinion openers are rookie material. I can't pinpoint his style, but my style is to just ask that person something about their day, and possibly about the situation. (Note: I've been reading some Neil Strauss, and when girl's are engaged about the situation, they hear, as Chris Rock said, "HOW ABOUT SOME DICK?" Being funny will help stay away from communicating anything bu "HOW ABOUT SOME DICK?") For example, if I'm at a doctor's office, I can think of a million things to say to a woman, and the same principles apply everywhere, except maybe a bar or club where you can't go and ask "What are you doing here?" - Obviously at the bar having a good time, asshole. I would say something along the lines of, "Have you been waiting long?" for an easy example, and the let the conversation go from there. All it takes is a response and pretty soon it builds. I would do my best to make it as funny as possible, but not so much that she just expects you to be a total comedian. A girl should value your humor, but not value you only because of your humor. A side tip - don't do anything like my high school teacher told me he did once: he went up to a MILF in the peanut butter section at a grocery store and said, "Ya know... choosey moms choose JIF," and she firmly replied, "Even choosier moms choose their husbands." For future reference, avoid that line. Also, avoid using questions that are too personal from the get-go, but you would be surprised by how far you can take it. When a woman hears a guy ask "What do you think: my friend has been dating this girl.. etc.." she's isn't telling herself that you're interested in her for sex. This is why opinion openers are great, but she's probably asking herself.. "ummm.. why does this guy care so much about my opinion?" Thus, you have to play a role of someone who actually cares, and being a good PUA should come from within, not some facade. I firmly believe that asking for a girl's opinion is crucial to develop rapport, but doing it should not be from the very beginning. Getting an opinion as an opener is nothing more than a facade, and making this method a habit will limit how good of a PUA you become. That's my rant. I promise to work more on how to open without opinion openers, but right now it's difficult 'cause it's not something you should even think about while you're doing. -GB _________________ "Men are governed by lines of intellect - women, by curves of emotion." - James Joyce |
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| Author: | Chief [ Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:40 pm ] |
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You are off to great start, GoldenBoy! I generally don't use opinion openers and concur with your friend when he says that opinion openers = rookie material. I also know that the more advanced members of mASF (probably the oldest, most hardcore, and most respected PUA forum) HATE opinion openers... especially since a lot of them practice Gunwitch Method. Looking forward to your further contributions to this forum. Welcome to PUAF. |
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| Author: | GoldenBoy889 [ Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:13 am ] |
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thanks man. one thing that's def. holding me back is knowing all the terms and acronyms. what is mASF, and what is the Gunwitch Method? It just sounds potent haha. but yeah, personally, it seems like opinion openers are just confidence builders. it's cool to use them for a bit, but dont get stuck with it. it's no way to be a pro |
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| Author: | Shantera [ Sun May 04, 2008 11:15 am ] |
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gunwitch is goin after solo hbs not group pick up
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