PUA Forum :: turning 29 and realizing the Game exists! PUA is a new word

I got out of a 8 year old relationship a year ago. but the mark still remains; infact my past relation has given me inspiration to get into the game. I was a relatively simple guy, yet intelligent and ambitious, when I came from India to US 4 years ago (my ex came year later). White guys fucking love Indian chicks...and they kept hitting on her. She was getting trained for the Game by her American girl friends right in front of my eyes for years and I didn't even have the slightest clue. In fact she regularly took advice from me about what guys like (in bed n all) and I happily gave it to her thinking it was for me.

One day I found out she was sleeping with her older bosses, friends and co-workers by reading through her sleazy after-the-night emails. On confronting her she agreed to cheating 10 times. I think the real number is more like a 100. I feel like a fucking ass hole, who was used pretty bad to say the least.

I am not an ass hole. I am smart, drummer of band, well to do w an athletic body....but I I realize that most of it means shit. I always treated women with respect and thats why got fooled so easy. Some of my friends hit on me while I was int he relationship but I was the good faithful guy and backed out always.

I am fucking pissed off and all I can think of is why the fuck I did not know about the Game before. I now am just starting to understand what is on the minds of most guys and most girls in the US too. At the end of the day, its getting laid. Its not bloody taboo like in my country. WHy the fuck should I stay in the slow lane.

A couple of days ago I started reading the book The Game. Its a real eye opener for me and am truly inspired. I've met a few girls in the past year and impressed them quite well and saw numerous IOI's in single meetings. But never was able to captivate their interest long enough. SMS's eventually got boring. The Game has broken it down for me and I can't wait to read it fully and learn it all up! I wanna nail the chicks I find hot...and now I see hope.

So long story short: 29 year old sweet guy in the past, cheating ex, not sweet anymore, want to screw women like my ex, want to screw lots of women.

-Rambonot

However, i can give you the basic route i have taken:

Read "Introducing NLP" by Seymour & O'Connor to get a basic idea of NLP & Modelling
Read "Tricks of the Mind" by Derren Brown to learn how to be manipulative

Finally, get Speed Seduction 3.0 by Ross Jeffries or Davie Riker to hone your newly aquired skills to pick-up.

Lastly, Go out and practice a lot! You will not master the art if you dont practice. Pay attention to your posture, body language, voice tonality and your energy in general. They are a big deal! Patterns and language structure makes up just 30% of the entire package.

Good luck!

No problem dude, hope you'll find it helpful in the long run as well. Peace!

Any ideas on getting better at texting keeping in mind a NLP background and not just through routines but actually understanding the fundamentals?

It was cool to read your intro post and see the results 2 years later, congrats to you on the nice progress.

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Leave the escalation and convo for when she's back at your place.

The way you open, without something in mind to open with, can also be a good way to lead convo threads when she comes over. Keep it more or less unstructured and informal, have her sharing stuff about life etc. and let the natural chemistry take over.

I'm gathering that somewhere in the recesses of your mind, maybe due to your upbringing, you are not feeling that it is not acceptable for a girl (or guy) to want to fuck unless there is more of a connection/attachment/relationship/marriage scenario.

She's probably out on a date with you because, like you, she wants to fuck. So if you care about her you'll give her what she wants. She's single and free like you and she just wants some fun. Reframe it in your mind and tell yourself that it is selfish to assume that every girl you date wants a relationship/marriage.

Author:	rambonot [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:37 am ]
Post subject:	turning 29 and realizing the Game exists! PUA is a new word
I got out of a 8 year old relationship a year ago. but the mark still remains; infact my past relation has given me inspiration to get into the game. I was a relatively simple guy, yet intelligent and ambitious, when I came from India to US 4 years ago (my ex came year later). White guys fucking love Indian chicks...and they kept hitting on her. She was getting trained for the Game by her American girl friends right in front of my eyes for years and I didn't even have the slightest clue. In fact she regularly took advice from me about what guys like (in bed n all) and I happily gave it to her thinking it was for me. One day I found out she was sleeping with her older bosses, friends and co-workers by reading through her sleazy after-the-night emails. On confronting her she agreed to cheating 10 times. I think the real number is more like a 100. I feel like a fucking ass hole, who was used pretty bad to say the least. I am not an ass hole. I am smart, drummer of band, well to do w an athletic body....but I I realize that most of it means shit. I always treated women with respect and thats why got fooled so easy. Some of my friends hit on me while I was int he relationship but I was the good faithful guy and backed out always. I am fucking pissed off and all I can think of is why the fuck I did not know about the Game before. I now am just starting to understand what is on the minds of most guys and most girls in the US too. At the end of the day, its getting laid. Its not bloody taboo like in my country. WHy the fuck should I stay in the slow lane. A couple of days ago I started reading the book The Game. Its a real eye opener for me and am truly inspired. I've met a few girls in the past year and impressed them quite well and saw numerous IOI's in single meetings. But never was able to captivate their interest long enough. SMS's eventually got boring. The Game has broken it down for me and I can't wait to read it fully and learn it all up! I wanna nail the chicks I find hot...and now I see hope. So long story short: 29 year old sweet guy in the past, cheating ex, not sweet anymore, want to screw women like my ex, want to screw lots of women. -Rambonot

Author:	NikAFC [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:45 am ]
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Welcome to the darkside, we have STIs

Author:	Crypto [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:22 pm ]
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Welcome! You can be a nice guy, you just can't be an ass kissing nice guy! If being nice is your personality then use it as a weapon to get the things you want out of life. There is a difference between bowing down to a girl by telling her how much you love her and buy her flowers everyday, and showing her you love her by protecting her, and being strong (as a man should be) for her. Just know, you are going to be alright and you will achieve any goals you commit yourself to! Peace...

Author:	RetiredRodeo [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: turning 29 and realizing the Game exists! PUA is a new word
Quote: I got out of a 8 year old relationship a year ago. but the mark still remains; infact my past relation has given me inspiration to get into the game. I was a relatively simple guy, yet intelligent and ambitious, when I came from India to US 4 years ago (my ex came year later). White guys fucking love Indian chicks...and they kept hitting on her. She was getting trained for the Game by her American girl friends right in front of my eyes for years and I didn't even have the slightest clue. In fact she regularly took advice from me about what guys like (in bed n all) and I happily gave it to her thinking it was for me. One day I found out she was sleeping with her older bosses, friends and co-workers by reading through her sleazy after-the-night emails. On confronting her she agreed to cheating 10 times. I think the real number is more like a 100. I feel like a fucking ass hole, who was used pretty bad to say the least. I am not an ass hole. I am smart, drummer of band, well to do w an athletic body....but I I realize that most of it means shit. I always treated women with respect and thats why got fooled so easy. Some of my friends hit on me while I was int he relationship but I was the good faithful guy and backed out always. I am fucking pissed off and all I can think of is why the fuck I did not know about the Game before. I now am just starting to understand what is on the minds of most guys and most girls in the US too. At the end of the day, its getting laid. Its not bloody taboo like in my country. WHy the fuck should I stay in the slow lane. A couple of days ago I started reading the book The Game. Its a real eye opener for me and am truly inspired. I've met a few girls in the past year and impressed them quite well and saw numerous IOI's in single meetings. But never was able to captivate their interest long enough. SMS's eventually got boring. The Game has broken it down for me and I can't wait to read it fully and learn it all up! I wanna nail the chicks I find hot...and now I see hope. So long story short: 29 year old sweet guy in the past, cheating ex, not sweet anymore, want to screw women like my ex, want to screw lots of women. -Rambonot Find a few people here who's game/words inspire you - and seem to fit what your personality type may be... and start conversation; try and find a few mentors. Reading is fun... it's great... but getting your butt out and meeting people will put to practice the words you're reading... Best to you. RR

Author:	rambonot [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:46 pm ]
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NikAFC, Crypto, RetiredRodeo and TonyKing, Thank you for your thoughtful responses. I am already feeling welcome here. Its a real surprise and a delight to know that PUAs and PUA communities exist! I am good at cracking tough problems and do so by breaking it down into smaller digestible pieces. You guys have done this break down so well its exactly what I was looking for! The climb to the top has started! [/quote]

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Author:	Playa93 [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:55 pm ]
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Cheat on girls, use excuses to get in bed with them. End of the day. Smoke caliweed before going to sleep.

Author:	rambonot [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:22 am ]
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for the record, I f-closed a week ago... after a fucking whole year of getting out of a LTR lots to learn and lots to nail. The book The Game got me in the right frame of mind. I saw an awesome seminar on NLP by Ross Jeffries (heres the link ) and it fucking rocks. NLP is awesome... I want to learn more, Quote: Learn NLP! great suggestion TonyKing. And it is pretty effective is not just seduction but siomple day to day interactions. My head is higher and shoulders broader at work too. Now I'm trying to get some suggestions. What would you suggest as an affordable way to learn about NLP seduction in-person (not online). I stay in the Washington DC area. Even if you don't have specifics, a general suggestion will also give direction. Thanks!!!

Author:	rambonot [ Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:40 am ]
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Quote: However, i can give you the basic route i have taken: Read "Introducing NLP" by Seymour & O'Connor to get a basic idea of NLP & Modelling Read "Tricks of the Mind" by Derren Brown to learn how to be manipulative Finally, get Speed Seduction 3.0 by Ross Jeffries or Davie Riker to hone your newly aquired skills to pick-up. Lastly, Go out and practice a lot! You will not master the art if you dont practice. Pay attention to your posture, body language, voice tonality and your energy in general. They are a big deal! Patterns and language structure makes up just 30% of the entire package. Good luck! Thanks Tonyking...excellent suggestions to step by step build up my inner game. I've started reading "Introducing NLP" and it is just beautiful.

Author:	rambonot [ Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:58 pm ]
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Quote: No problem dude, hope you'll find it helpful in the long run as well. Peace! 2 years later For the record its been 2 years sine I got into NLP now. Its helped in in so many ways I couldn't have even imagined earlier. Seriously! I have an accent and was sick of hearing "can you say that gain", "say what", "please repeat that slowly", etc and that completely ruined the idea I was trying to convey. So I first fixed it by joining a toastmasters - super helpful. Now I can speak with anyone in the room. Be it the grumpy old lady at the metro station, cute chick at subway, boss after work, HB10 at a bar, stripper after work, or a potential client with a million dollars at stake. And in all cases I'm confident to get them feeling good at the end of our conversation and get much closer towards wanting to give me what I want. My relationships with real friends has been enriched, I'm much closer to my family, women like talking to me and are drawn to me, and accent doesn't matter at all. I've also used it in business to negotiate salary raises and get professional benefits. However there's one thing thats still below my expectations and that is getting women to eaasily drop their pants. I think there's still work to be done here. Getting number's is not a problem. I get numbers of women who are really interested in getting to know me. But then texting comes into play and it starts going downhill from there. Like how much to escalate, what to do during text gap days, how to escalate using texts, still makes me feel like an AFC. Now there are lots of routines and tricks and charts of what to text but I've realized that inner game is the shit, and is perfectly tailor made for an individual... cos you make what ever you want to make out of it keeping in mind your strengths and weaknesses. (for example I am not the kind of person who will use a pick-up line. I just go up and say hello and say what ever the fuck comes to my mind at that point). Also at this point, I've realized that my beliefs are somewhere not in the right place because I am at the same level of intimacy with at least 6 girls right now. i.e. like chatting, talk about sex is good but from a 3rd persons point of view, comfortable to come and go home, have visited their bed rooms, but then bloody some how the sex is not consistent. And when sex does happen I will not give full credit to my f-closing skills rather it is the f-closing skills of the girl. Now this will sound weird but I think its my texting skills that don't sufficiently escalate the attraction to make sex comfortable and natural. Any ideas on getting better at texting keeping in mind a NLP background and not just through routines but actually understanding the fundamentals? For the benefit of others my progression was the following (I'm not saying its the bet but it worked for me) 1. book: "Introducing NLP" by Seymour & O'Connor to get a basic idea of NLP & Modelling 2. book: "Tricks of the Mind" by Derren Brown to learn how to be manipulative 3. Videos: Speed Seduction 3.0 by Ross Jeffries (1,2,3 were Tonyking's suggestions. Thanks man!!! that stuff got me started on exactly the right track) 4. youtube audiobook, "Unstoppable confidence" 5. ebook and one infield session: "become that guy-be irresistibly attractive- Micheal Hurst" a local PUA in DC 6. Joined loads of dating meet-ups in the area to meet single girls and wingmen. Just met a couple of girls through this 7. Joined hypnosis and NLP meet-ups to learn about conversational hypnosis and embedded commands. Used it this to get some girls really horny without even touching them but getting them in a state of trance. Sneeky but fucking effective. You can use this power however ever you want. I am pretty judicious about it. 8. read books on conversational hypnosis. sneeky but sweet! 8. Enjoy watching loads of pranking videos: VitalyZDTV, SimplePickup, EdBassMaster, etc. Made me ballzy and fearless to fail 9. Meditated 2-3 times a week. positive reinforcement. Youtube: success meditation, fearless hypnosis, etc 10. RSDtyler on youtube. He's got some amazing ideas and philosophies about some very basic fundamental physiological stuff. Can relate and incorporate a lot of his stuff. Hope this helps someone trying become that badass version of themselves and not knowing what to do. And for those experienced players, I'd be curious to what you think is a good step up. I envision heading towards being a classy player (who gets new sex every couple of weeks) for a few years and along the way finding the right woman that makes me not want to pick-up other women. Peace!

Author:	oceanx [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:31 am ]
Post subject:	Re: turning 29 and realizing the Game exists! PUA is a new w
It was cool to read your intro post and see the results 2 years later, congrats to you on the nice progress. Quote: Any ideas on getting better at texting keeping in mind a NLP background and not just through routines but actually understanding the fundamentals? Yes. Keeping in mind your NLP background, etc., use texting exclusively for scheduling meetups. No escalation over text or long-winded text convos. Drop in with some comment on how you met or whatever, then propose meeting up. Leave the escalation and convo for when she's back at your place. The way you open, without something in mind to open with, can also be a good way to lead convo threads when she comes over. Keep it more or less unstructured and informal, have her sharing stuff about life etc. and let the natural chemistry take over.

Author:	rambonot [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:00 am ]
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Quote: It was cool to read your intro post and see the results 2 years later, congrats to you on the nice progress. Quote: Leave the escalation and convo for when she's back at your place. The way you open, without something in mind to open with, can also be a good way to lead convo threads when she comes over. Keep it more or less unstructured and informal, have her sharing stuff about life etc. and let the natural chemistry take over. Thanks Bro. Tats where the actual issue is. Sometimes I'm not fully attracted to the girl but the thought of having sex with her does get me aroused. And when that happens it comes off as needy (cos it IS needy IMHO) and the girl immediately senses it. And thats when even the hottest (as per some standards but not mine) or the ugliest (as per general standards) of girls is hesitant to drop her pants . You know what I'm saying? so honestly if I found that girl who I deeply believe has potential in being my life partner she'd be up to drop her pants cos I genuinely would feel the same but for the rest the way I feel its 'bam-bam thank you maam' and not any more. So at the end of the day...the number of girls I end up banging is way lesser than what Id like to.... Inner beliefs confusion...need help

Author:	oceanx [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:18 am ]
Post subject:	Re: turning 29 and realizing the Game exists! PUA is a new w
Re: the neediness when you are aroused to lay the pipe, a girl enjoys it a LOT when a guy that she has been kissing/making out with/flirting with is turned on by her. Maybe I'm not catching the entire situation you're describing though. It may be that in your mind it's just not right to have a ONS or FWB. But that is what you are saying you want. If you do want these things, keep pressing forward and meet more girls. If you are experiencing LMR/ASD there are lots of good posts on those areas by peeps on this forum. I'm gathering that somewhere in the recesses of your mind, maybe due to your upbringing, you are not feeling that it is not acceptable for a girl (or guy) to want to fuck unless there is more of a connection/attachment/relationship/marriage scenario.

Author:	rambonot [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:22 pm ]
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Quote: I'm gathering that somewhere in the recesses of your mind, maybe due to your upbringing, you are not feeling that it is not acceptable for a girl (or guy) to want to fuck unless there is more of a connection/attachment/relationship/marriage scenario. I think you nailed it there. Somewhere deep inside, if I know that I'm not going to call the girl after I fuck her I feel like its a lot of effort and expectations of her's that goes wasted. a.k.a caring/nice guy syndrome! The thing is that being caring/concerned about other people IS my innate fundamental nature...which I do value and feel the urge to hold onto. So basically...now this is kinda weird...I think the deal is that I'm FINE with manipulating women as long as it adds value to them. There's got to be a way to be a nice guy and still keep my dick wet.

Author:	oceanx [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:24 pm ]
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She's probably out on a date with you because, like you, she wants to fuck. So if you care about her you'll give her what she wants. She's single and free like you and she just wants some fun. Reframe it in your mind and tell yourself that it is selfish to assume that every girl you date wants a relationship/marriage.

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Author:	rambonot [ Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:10 am ]
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Quote: She's probably out on a date with you because, like you, she wants to fuck. So if you care about her you'll give her what she wants. She's single and free like you and she just wants some fun. Reframe it in your mind and tell yourself that it is selfish to assume that every girl you date wants a relationship/marriage. I like that oceanx!