PUA Forum :: Approach Machine (but poor record)

Hi guys,

I'm stoked I found this website. I need help with gambits and stories and approach topic/lines.

Can anyone guide me?

Thanks
L.S.

I read a couple pages of your site, I like it!

but with:

"-Control your hand gestures as much as possible. The more you move, the more insecure you'll look. If you can, watch the way politicians speak on debates. The ones who are not too jumpy usually do a great job at using their hands."

At the first pass of reading this, it seems to mean to use little hand movements. It was an excellent choice to mention looking at politicians speak. But I feel when you use "the more you move, the more insecure you'll look", I wonder if you are referring more to fidgeting than hand movements. I think using a lot of hand movements is ok, good, very good, or excellent depending on the type of person you are.

Let me know your thoughts

I agree with you. Actually, I was a car salesman for VW for a few weeks and decided to quit because it wasn't for me. But what I learn from VW training is that "energy transfers". So if the salesperson is nervous, it makes the customer nervous too. If the salesperson is calm, the customer is less nervous or also calm. If the salesperson is calm and very skilled at building repoire, the customer is at total ease and is apt in buying a car. The number one reason for a customer to buy a car at a dealership is repoire, not the car!

Plus, I read a couple books on NLP. It talks about people who use different modes of communication; visual, audio, and kinesthetic. NLP talks about how to change your information delivery depending on how the other party primary communicates. In doing so, it subconsciously builds a stronger repoire - "I am just like you". So for example, if the person is in visual mode, it is good to use hand movements. There's a lot more on this, I have to give the books another read so as to retain the material better.

Author:	Lightsaber [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:05 pm ]
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Hi guys, I'm stoked I found this website. I need help with gambits and stories and approach topic/lines. Can anyone guide me? Thanks L.S.

Author:	bansario [ Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:33 pm ]
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Quote: Hi guys, I'm stoked I found this website. I need help with gambits and stories and approach topic/lines. Can anyone guide me? Thanks L.S. Maybe this guide could help: http://www.bosproject.com/how-to-talk-t ... appmachine It has openers, routines, and closers. Good luck

Author:	Lightsaber [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:35 am ]
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thx bro

Author:	Lightsaber [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:00 am ]
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I read a couple pages of your site, I like it! but with: "-Control your hand gestures as much as possible. The more you move, the more insecure you'll look. If you can, watch the way politicians speak on debates. The ones who are not too jumpy usually do a great job at using their hands." At the first pass of reading this, it seems to mean to use little hand movements. It was an excellent choice to mention looking at politicians speak. But I feel when you use "the more you move, the more insecure you'll look", I wonder if you are referring more to fidgeting than hand movements. I think using a lot of hand movements is ok, good, very good, or excellent depending on the type of person you are. Let me know your thoughts

Author:	bansario [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:00 am ]
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Quote: I read a couple pages of your site, I like it! but with: "-Control your hand gestures as much as possible. The more you move, the more insecure you'll look. If you can, watch the way politicians speak on debates. The ones who are not too jumpy usually do a great job at using their hands." At the first pass of reading this, it seems to mean to use little hand movements. It was an excellent choice to mention looking at politicians speak. But I feel when you use "the more you move, the more insecure you'll look", I wonder if you are referring more to fidgeting than hand movements. I think using a lot of hand movements is ok, good, very good, or excellent depending on the type of person you are. Let me know your thoughts Great observation. Here's the thing about overall moving too much. When you do so, it makes you seem nervous, especially if you're doing a cold approach. David Deangelo (one of the most respected PUAs) always recommended slowing everything down - even blinking. So, I decided to try both ways: being super energetic, and being more calm and relaxed. In the end, being more relaxed (and with less movement) helped create a lot of mystery and attraction. Think of James Bond (and yes, I know I mention him a lot). James Bond doesn't move much; as a matter of fact, he doesn't move at all!! Now, if your personality type does not adjust to this kind of behavior, then no problem. Simply use what applies to you, and throw away the rest. Remember that no system is complete/perfect. So, learn some stuff, go to the field, and try it. If it works, save it for your arsenal. If it doesn't, then let it go . For me, slowing everything down worked tremendously, and when applied with a good tonality, it created a very good vibe (a sensual vibe) for women. Hope I was able to answer your question lol.

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Author:	Lightsaber [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:10 am ]
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I agree with you. Actually, I was a car salesman for VW for a few weeks and decided to quit because it wasn't for me. But what I learn from VW training is that "energy transfers". So if the salesperson is nervous, it makes the customer nervous too. If the salesperson is calm, the customer is less nervous or also calm. If the salesperson is calm and very skilled at building repoire, the customer is at total ease and is apt in buying a car. The number one reason for a customer to buy a car at a dealership is repoire, not the car! Plus, I read a couple books on NLP. It talks about people who use different modes of communication; visual, audio, and kinesthetic. NLP talks about how to change your information delivery depending on how the other party primary communicates. In doing so, it subconsciously builds a stronger repoire - "I am just like you". So for example, if the person is in visual mode, it is good to use hand movements. There's a lot more on this, I have to give the books another read so as to retain the material better.

Author:	bansario [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:06 am ]
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Quote: I agree with you. Actually, I was a car salesman for VW for a few weeks and decided to quit because it wasn't for me. But what I learn from VW training is that "energy transfers". So if the salesperson is nervous, it makes the customer nervous too. If the salesperson is calm, the customer is less nervous or also calm. If the salesperson is calm and very skilled at building repoire, the customer is at total ease and is apt in buying a car. The number one reason for a customer to buy a car at a dealership is repoire, not the car! Plus, I read a couple books on NLP. It talks about people who use different modes of communication; visual, audio, and kinesthetic. NLP talks about how to change your information delivery depending on how the other party primary communicates. In doing so, it subconsciously builds a stronger repoire - "I am just like you". So for example, if the person is in visual mode, it is good to use hand movements. There's a lot more on this, I have to give the books another read so as to retain the material better. Seems like you get the point man

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