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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:57 pm 
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Ok so yesterday ws my first real sarge. I have obviously been out before but it was my first real sarge.

So anyway I was at a club and there was a two set next to me. I used the cologne opener which seemed to work pretty well and they asked me and my wing the usual. 'what du do' etc etc..

I then managed to lose my whole plan..I started asking questions such as 'what ambitions du have' as i learnt she was a wannabe beautician, luckily they wernt freaked out. I completely forgot to neg and It all felt rushed.

They then lost interest, as did we and we left. I have no problem opening but I struggle with my Mid Game. Any help?


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Ok so yesterday ws my first real sarge. I have obviously been out before but it was my first real sarge.

So anyway I was at a club and there was a two set next to me. I used the cologne opener which seemed to work pretty well and they asked me and my wing the usual. 'what du do' etc etc..

I then managed to lose my whole plan..I started asking questions such as 'what ambitions du have' as i learnt she was a wannabe beautician, luckily they wernt freaked out. I completely forgot to neg and It all felt rushed.

They then lost interest, as did we and we left. I have no problem opening but I struggle with my Mid Game. Any help?
Um, mid-game is after the girl is comfortable with you. So you are actually having a problem with the "Attraction Phase" at this point. Forgetting to neg and DHV that sort of stuff is in the early part of the methods.

Anyways, the more you go out and do it the more you'll remember. It's damn near impossible to learn it all at once. No one gets it all right the first time. Hell no pickup is perfect anyways!

So work on your opening and stacking, along with maybe body language. Then as you don't have to think about that stuff anymore add negging, DHV stories, etc. Just slowly stack until you have a routine that works for you, then you can expand on it. "Baby Steps..." This isn't a magic pill to take it takes work which you know. It'll come for you. :)

Also, I can understand going out with a wing but at this point you shouldn't really be winging each other. You need to learn how to run the interaction on your own, and so does he.

The reason for this is simple. If you are both new you have a lot of sticking points, and so does he. Instead of having one set of obstacles (sticking points) in our way to getting you the girl we now have twice as many. Learn as individuals then as you can get the girl on your own consistently then wing. Until then use your wing to watch you and give you feedback that he saw. That is the best way to use a wing at this point for you man.

Keep it up!

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well if you started talking about what you both want to do for a living etc.....It sounds like you started with rapport b4 trying to get attraction. It should be the other way around. Get attraction then go for rapport. Do ask questions. Mostly everything you say should be statements.


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IMO since you didn't neg or DHV you pretty much bored them to death with your interview like questions. My advice is to keep trying till you get it right


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Hey guys, thanks for the advice. It seems so obvious now! I will definately use your advice and yeah thanks again.


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