PUA Forum :: I get the phone number and then its either fake or no date

This goes against community advice of approaching at 45 angles and making statements to not appear needy and all that malarkey. People will tell you to just make the number solid before you get the number.

Which is easier said than done, right?

There is no certainty. I have had quick phone numbers that were solid and deep connections that flakes. Makes no sense, right?

Here is something that helped me with my mindset.

• Know your niche - you have 2 types of girls you like, the fantasy girls (pornstars, Kate Upton etc) and you have type of girl that you have hooked up with in the past. For me, I tend to attract confident girls next door type of girls despite my type is Kate Upton.

So instead, look for those girls and increase your chances. A goth is more likely to get a solid phone from a goth girly. Arty girls probably like a more of a hipster Type of guy with a tattoo sleeve and beard. Know your niche.

• Sexual availability - single girls sometimes enjoy being single, but you're at the mercy whether or not she is happy. Perhaps she has a fuck buddy on the side because she is focused on her studies. She perhaps has zero time for someone new right now. The reason why day game bootcamps are in tourist destinations is because tourists are fresh off the boat and more likely to be sexually available. They just don't tell you that on the boot camp. So when you go back to your local city, you are back to reality. But there are some out there that are available. Even if you ask her the boring "what do you do for a living? questions, she will happily answer and the number will be solid because she is ready to meet someone. Find those girls

• Play the numbers game - if get more numbers. Perhaps 2 out of 5 are sexually available.

• Look pretty - way too often I see his who are just plain joe approaching perfect 10's.They might get the odd sympathy phone number or even an insta date coffee if they are lucky. They still ain't hooking up with you. Starbucks is expensive. Go beyond the fundamentals, dress and style really well. Try to look sexier than your niched girls. Girls seem to like your 'personality' better when they ate already physically attracted to you. Go figure. Go beyond the fundamentals. Lift weights and get into shape, dress better than the average guy, get a cool hair cut. It's easy to be a little bit above average. Get it done. This should go without saying.

Additional - my solid phone numbers have always been from walking on my way home from the supermarket. Never from these sarge spam marathons. There is a lot of pressure when you sarge and girls can smell it on you. I'm all for it in the beginner AA stages but once you're at the consistent phone number stage, I suggest you remove this pressure by avoiding the spam approaching.

That's how I view it all really. This community tends to be way too obsessed with obtaining every girl and that it is all your fault if the phone number isn't solid. That's just not reality.

Author:	darkie_jackal [ Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:43 am ]
Post subject:	I get the phone number and then its either fake or no date
Hi everyone, So I am serious about progress, this has been the pattern recently..... meet a girl decent conversation, talk for at least 5min, get the number ( I have zero approach anxiety I can go up to any girl and approach and ask for number). Then I may text like 15 min later, or call like after two days (back in the day I would call before texting was as popular as it is now). So this is the two situations in the flow chart: 1. Fake Number 2. Or if she picks up I get super resistance when trying to set the first date "I'm busy , have to do xyz excuse" Yes I tried to set the date when I first met, but its either a flake or when I call to confirm if she is still on for the date its excuses! I actually rarely get dates. So I am still stuck at level one. I guess the Mystery student will tell me I am not raising my value.... she doesnt have a high enough attraction for me? Other necessary information: 1. Where I have been meeting girls recently: Mostly all cold approaches > I have a part time job doing deliveries: so its been at the front door of peoples houses (mostly students), but generally wherever there is a nice piece of ass I will approach (like today I saw a girl walking a dog), grocery stores and obviously the nightclubs 2. Im in a program where its all guys, so I cant flex in class. I subscribe to the Ross Jefferies school. Any suggestions? 2 cents? Thanks DJ.

Author:	Dragula [ Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:30 am ]
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Oops double post

Author:	Dragula [ Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: I get the phone number and then its either fake or no da
This goes against community advice of approaching at 45 angles and making statements to not appear needy and all that malarkey. People will tell you to just make the number solid before you get the number. Which is easier said than done, right? There is no certainty. I have had quick phone numbers that were solid and deep connections that flakes. Makes no sense, right? Here is something that helped me with my mindset. • Know your niche - you have 2 types of girls you like, the fantasy girls (pornstars, Kate Upton etc) and you have type of girl that you have hooked up with in the past. For me, I tend to attract confident girls next door type of girls despite my type is Kate Upton. So instead, look for those girls and increase your chances. A goth is more likely to get a solid phone from a goth girly. Arty girls probably like a more of a hipster Type of guy with a tattoo sleeve and beard. Know your niche. • Sexual availability - single girls sometimes enjoy being single, but you're at the mercy whether or not she is happy. Perhaps she has a fuck buddy on the side because she is focused on her studies. She perhaps has zero time for someone new right now. The reason why day game bootcamps are in tourist destinations is because tourists are fresh off the boat and more likely to be sexually available. They just don't tell you that on the boot camp. So when you go back to your local city, you are back to reality. But there are some out there that are available. Even if you ask her the boring "what do you do for a living? questions, she will happily answer and the number will be solid because she is ready to meet someone. Find those girls • Play the numbers game - if get more numbers. Perhaps 2 out of 5 are sexually available. • Look pretty - way too often I see his who are just plain joe approaching perfect 10's.They might get the odd sympathy phone number or even an insta date coffee if they are lucky. They still ain't hooking up with you. Starbucks is expensive. Go beyond the fundamentals, dress and style really well. Try to look sexier than your niched girls. Girls seem to like your 'personality' better when they ate already physically attracted to you. Go figure. Go beyond the fundamentals. Lift weights and get into shape, dress better than the average guy, get a cool hair cut. It's easy to be a little bit above average. Get it done. This should go without saying. Additional - my solid phone numbers have always been from walking on my way home from the supermarket. Never from these sarge spam marathons. There is a lot of pressure when you sarge and girls can smell it on you. I'm all for it in the beginner AA stages but once you're at the consistent phone number stage, I suggest you remove this pressure by avoiding the spam approaching. That's how I view it all really. This community tends to be way too obsessed with obtaining every girl and that it is all your fault if the phone number isn't solid. That's just not reality.

Author:	R.C [ Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:10 am ]
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Have a look at my guide. I'm too lazy to type it all out again. It should cover everything from seeing her down the street to that first date.

Author:	darkie_jackal [ Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:58 am ]
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Thanks for taking the time to put thought into my thread and reply, I appreciate it. Quote: • Know your niche - you have 2 types of girls you like, the fantasy girls (pornstars, Kate Upton etc) and you have type of girl that you have hooked up with in the past. For me, I tend to attract confident girls next door type of girls despite my type is Kate Upton. So instead, look for those girls and increase your chances. A goth is more likely to get a solid phone from a goth girly. Arty girls probably like a more of a hipster Type of guy with a tattoo sleeve and beard. Know your niche. This is a very good point. Thing is I dont really fall into any niche I am mixed race, kinda athletic (or used to be) but definitely not a jock. I'm not a nerd, I'm not a gangster, not a biker etc.... I never fell into any category at school (but yeah I used to hang out with the gangster/trouble makers in school--- but I've wayy outgrown that by now) I do find asian girls check me out a lot....but my ex was azn, so I want a different flavour. btw how do you define 'confident girl next door'? • Quote: Look pretty - way too often I see his who are just plain joe approaching perfect 10's.They might get the odd sympathy phone number or even an insta date coffee if they are lucky. They still ain't hooking up with you. Starbucks is expensive. Go beyond the fundamentals, dress and style really well. Try to look sexier than your niched girls. Girls seem to like your 'personality' better when they ate already physically attracted to you. Go figure. Go beyond the fundamentals. Lift weights and get into shape, dress better than the average guy, get a cool hair cut. It's easy to be a little bit above average. Get it done. This should go without saying. I got a nice undercut combover hair cut today....and have a half decent wardrobe. Thing is when i am at work...I cant really dress too good b/c I food spilled on me (its a dirty job)...so I am not sure how to look good when I am flexing in that situation? Thanks overall good advice

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Author:	darkie_jackal [ Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: I get the phone number and then its either fake or no da
Quote: This goes against community advice of approaching at 45 angles and making statements to not appear needy and all that malarkey. People will tell you to just make the number solid before you get the number. Which is easier said than done, right? There is no certainty. I have had quick phone numbers that were solid and deep connections that flakes. Makes no sense, right? Here is something that helped me with my mindset. • Know your niche - you have 2 types of girls you like, the fantasy girls (pornstars, Kate Upton etc) and you have type of girl that you have hooked up with in the past. For me, I tend to attract confident girls next door type of girls despite my type is Kate Upton. So instead, look for those girls and increase your chances. A goth is more likely to get a solid phone from a goth girly. Arty girls probably like a more of a hipster Type of guy with a tattoo sleeve and beard. Know your niche. • Sexual availability - single girls sometimes enjoy being single, but you're at the mercy whether or not she is happy. Perhaps she has a fuck buddy on the side because she is focused on her studies. She perhaps has zero time for someone new right now. The reason why day game bootcamps are in tourist destinations is because tourists are fresh off the boat and more likely to be sexually available. They just don't tell you that on the boot camp. So when you go back to your local city, you are back to reality. But there are some out there that are available. Even if you ask her the boring "what do you do for a living? questions, she will happily answer and the number will be solid because she is ready to meet someone. Find those girls • Play the numbers game - if get more numbers. Perhaps 2 out of 5 are sexually available. • Look pretty - way too often I see his who are just plain joe approaching perfect 10's.They might get the odd sympathy phone number or even an insta date coffee if they are lucky. They still ain't hooking up with you. Starbucks is expensive. Go beyond the fundamentals, dress and style really well. Try to look sexier than your niched girls. Girls seem to like your 'personality' better when they ate already physically attracted to you. Go figure. Go beyond the fundamentals. Lift weights and get into shape, dress better than the average guy, get a cool hair cut. It's easy to be a little bit above average. Get it done. This should go without saying. Additional - my solid phone numbers have always been from walking on my way home from the supermarket. Never from these sarge spam marathons. There is a lot of pressure when you sarge and girls can smell it on you. I'm all for it in the beginner AA stages but once you're at the consistent phone number stage, I suggest you remove this pressure by avoiding the spam approaching. That's how I view it all really. This community tends to be way too obsessed with obtaining every girl and that it is all your fault if the phone number isn't solid. That's just not reality. Sounds like we are the cars and car salesmen, and the women are the people walking around the showroom floor.

Author:	Cdharders [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:04 am ]
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Biggest change for your game... Have her text you when you are still in front of her. Newbie mistake to wait til she leaves your side. Sometimes she may actually want you to text her but she gave you the wrong number. Convo's you are having sound short. Instadate will help. Make future date more solid, discussing activity, date, time, and place to meet. PM for more advice.

Author:	itchybrother [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:53 pm ]
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Quote: Previous post....Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:25 am

Author:	nickthesick [ Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:23 pm ]
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Like another poster said its a numbers game.. along with hitting on chicks at your job go out to the mall and clubs on weekends.. like pimpin ken said "Pimp like youre hoe-less" trying to go for chicks one at a time is a recipe for oneitis or at best frustration. You need to be gettin at a bitch 24/7 pimp.. dont always go for the super fine chick either you may be able to turn a tramp into a champ.. find an average bitch and mold her the way you like her.. this is next level shit my nigga. good luck mang..

Author:	JackZero [ Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:28 pm ]
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Quote: Like another poster said its a numbers game.. along with hitting on chicks at your job go out to the mall and clubs on weekends.. like pimpin ken said "Pimp like youre hoe-less" trying to go for chicks one at a time is a recipe for oneitis or at best frustration. You need to be gettin at a bitch 24/7 pimp.. dont always go for the super fine chick either you may be able to turn a tramp into a champ.. find an average bitch and mold her the way you like her.. this is next level shit my nigga. good luck mang.. Bad advice to a thread that should be dead.

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