Been thinking about this for some time, and wanted to see what has worked best for those who have been consistently successful at getting into sexual relationships with girls through a series of "dates".

For the purpose of the discussion, lets exclude random encounters or one night stands, and focus on situations where you have asked proper (8/10+) girls out and took it to the end.

For example, I personally found that it usually takes on average around 1-3 dates/meeting/outings to get to make out with a girl and maybe another 1-3 dates to seal the deal.

Usually it would go similar to this: 1st Date: drinks/dinner at a bar (Brief make out); 2nd Date: Movies or other activity followed by drinks at the bar/club (longer make out session); 3rd Date: club/drinks at the bar followed by a movie at your place (closure).

Would be interesting to hear what has worked for others.

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There are too many variable to have one formula to workout the same every time.

There a lot of different types of girls who have different backgrounds, experiences, views on sex, and different situations in general to say that 3rd date closes every time.

By focusing on having fun, being the man, and responding appropriately to the ques that she gives, you will be able to speed up the process.

A strategy I use for dates is do things I would want to do by myself. I get to do what I want to do. Usually something I'm passionate about. If she sucks, I'm still going to have fun.

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I agree, but this is why I am curious to hear what works for others in different situations.

There are always going to be exceptions, but I personally think that it is important to have these things planned strategically and do believe that you can come up with some general approaches/rules that will be more effective than others, even if you have to classify girls into a small number of categories.

For example, a 9 would probably be more difficult to close and would thus require a different set of dates (as well as a higher number of dates) than a 7, assuming you have enough value to offer and everything goes smoothly.

Anyways, lets share some thoughts.

The thing is, every people being from different background, the art of pick-up is that of dealing with every situation that can come up to you. A girl comes to you DTF, you should know how to react to that. A girl tells you she has a boyfriend but wants to see you again, you should know how to react to that. A girl is not interested in you in words but her body language says something different, you should know how to react to that.

So there is no algorithm, but rather an intuition.

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I disagree. There is both.

What you are saying is true, you certainly need to be able to read the situation. However, what I am talking about is that there must be the best and the most efficient path to success, assuming the girl is interested. Again, it will never work 100% for everyone, but it will be the path that will give you the highest probability of success.

I guess one of the reasons I created this thread is to see what other people have experienced in the past and to figure out if there are any revealing trends that others can use to improve their results.

There is no algorithm really - every woman is different.

Personally, for me, I probably wouldn't go more than 5-6 dates without sex. That's if I REALLY like her.

Sex USUALLY happens on the 3-4 PROPER date mark, but can happen earlier (and occasionally later, if I'm really into her and we've come close to sex)