The problem with a lot of community advise is a similar problem we see in other industries or communities that I've been a part of. The issue is that a lot of what gets posted on here and other places is stuff being regurgitated is stuff people have read in a book, article, another post, or seen in a video. I will be the first one to raise my hand up right now and say I have done this a metric ass ton on this forum at times. The problem with this is that it is not first hand knowledge that a master coach could give you.
I am not going to advocate any particular coach out there and I have been out of the community for the most part for a while now. However there is a lot to be said from receiving advise from a person who has really put time into this and knows what they are talking about versus guys who are barely applying what they know.
Reference Here:
https://www.blumercpas.com/blog/conscious-competence
In the article above there are 4 stages to learning. Unconscious Incompetence, Conscious Incompetence, Conscious Competence, and Unconscious Competence. At various times during my PUA quest I experienced all of these. I distinctly remember not trying to pick someone up one night I was just there to chill, and the next thing I know I'm standing with her at the valet stand going back home with her in her car. In my member journal in the PMZ for those that want to call bullshit.
For example of a similar industry with this problem. I was trying to learn to shoot a gun better. I've been shooting for years, I love it, and I wanted to get better. I would go to local schools and guys would say well your problem is you need to practice more you need to fire 10,000 rounds before you get better kind of thing. Others would tell me that I was shooting a touch left because I was slapping the trigger. Each coach I saw I got marginally better but fired a crap ton more bullets and spent more money. Finally I met this guy who is a master at what he does and he had the resume to back it up. When I tell you this guy is good I mean he is really good. Because of his mastery at it I shot 4 bullets and he had me shooting better than I ever thought I could. Granted he used video analysis but because of his mastery of it all I hit a 100 yard target with my handgun by the end of the day. He could break things down for me very simply and give me very powerful nuggets of information tailored for me and had me doing much better faster.
Like the gun industry this community is plagued by old information stemming down. Granted some things like don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy stays the same since World War II but other things have changed. First hand advice from master coaches is far better than attending classes of retweeted information.
The truth is the more time you spend in the field, the more bullets you fire you do get better. BUT if you do it wrong 10,000 times then the 10,001 is going to be wrong also. You need a master coach to help show you how to do it correctly so you aren't just spinning your wheels.
Now the problem is we don't all walk around or have badges next to our name to tell you if a guy has put in 10,000 hours into PUA which is generally the amount of time it takes place for mastery of a skill. We also don't have badges showing percentages or who is really successful and who is full of it. I certainly didn't put that much time into it but I felt like I was far enough to really grasp things. Therefore the retweets of information dating back to before Mystery, David DeAngelo, and others is still spun. Is some of it good advise? Absolutely but some of it is old and doesn't completely apply.
When we start learning a new skill we tend to mimic people. Flattery is the sincerest compliment after all, so we start by regurgitating what we heard from the lastest youtube video or something we saw off a box dvd set from some mPUA. That is a part of learning. The downside is the person getting the advise has no idea if it is first hand or it is some bullshit crafted from a video.
There are some great people on this forum who do have a lot of hours in the field who have really honed their craft that can help people. And I think each of us have our own individual life experiences we can draw from to help each other as well and as a community is it awesome that we do that. Although there are a lot that have done what I did when I started out and that is just reposting some stuff. If you are out there on the forum and you want to help someone out, give your own advise from your perspective of what worked for you, or what you did in a similar situation and how it worked out. Please do someone the favor of NOT retweet or repost for lack of a better term from some other master coach or mPUA's stuff because it very well may not apply to them or the situation out there anymore, just as the gun lessons from WWII don't all apply now either.
I welcome your thoughts...