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Guys I have some serious troubles with this two things actually. So I been getting good at daygame but it's always kinda hit or miss like I usually always go for number close and like almost 90% of the time when I attempt it I get it. But the thing is obviously getting a number doesnt always mean anything usually if I get 5 numbers maybe 2 or3 will text me back out of which one will lead somewhere so I still have a lot to work on in those areas. But also i been thinking maybe I need to push the interaction immediately cause sometimes the girl is into me and I can sense the sexual attraction. But having never pushed the immediate interaction after approach much besides number closing i'm kinda lost on how to go about it. It may be a disadvantage for me where the girl has built up attraction but it dies down cause I haven't pursued further while she's in the mood and that could be qhat leads to me never getting a text back.


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usually if I get 5 numbers maybe 2 or3 will text me back out of which one will lead somewhere

Those aren't bad numbers for cold approach daygame pickup. That's a 20% # to meetup (I assume) rate. Can it be improved? Yes. But think of it this way: For every 100 #s you take, you'll meet up with 20 women. Again it can be improved but it's a good start.

As to seguing in real time, can say "Tag along with me, I'm going to X right now to get a drink/coffee." Don't wait for her response, just start walking and assume she's going to come with. If she hesitates or rejects, sell it more and say you're only going to be there for a short time. Always assuming she's down to go because unless she has to get back to work or something, she most likely has the time to go and chill with the interesting stranger (and she probably wants to deep down in many or most instances).


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usually if I get 5 numbers maybe 2 or3 will text me back out of which one will lead somewhere

Those aren't bad numbers for cold approach daygame pickup. That's a 20% # to meetup (I assume) rate. Can it be improved? Yes. But think of it this way: For every 100 #s you take, you'll meet up with 20 women. Again it can be improved but it's a good start.

As to seguing in real time, can say "Tag along with me, I'm going to X right now to get a drink/coffee." Don't wait for her response, just start walking and assume she's going to come with. If she hesitates or rejects, sell it more and say you're only going to be there for a short time. Always assuming she's down to go because unless she has to get back to work or something, she most likely has the time to go and chill with the interesting stranger (and she probably wants to deep down in many or most instances).

It's chill but that's on a good day when I'm not busy and I get the chance to talk to that many girls but even then that 20% doesn't always lead to me closing completely even though it should but I'm not that good yet. But yeah Idk I guess I just gotta be more agrees I've pushing it and literally just go all in for every girl I talk to that seems like the only thing that might work. Thanks for the tips any other advice on this particular subject or daygame in general that works for you?


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It's a numbers game. Test tweaks of little parts of your game, holding everything else constant to see continuous improvement in your end results.


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Guys I have some serious troubles with this two things actually. So I been getting good at daygame but it's always kinda hit or miss like I usually always go for number close and like almost 90% of the time when I attempt it I get it. But the thing is obviously getting a number doesnt always mean anything usually if I get 5 numbers maybe 2 or3 will text me back out of which one will lead somewhere so I still have a lot to work on in those areas. But also i been thinking maybe I need to push the interaction immediately cause sometimes the girl is into me and I can sense the sexual attraction. But having never pushed the immediate interaction after approach much besides number closing i'm kinda lost on how to go about it. It may be a disadvantage for me where the girl has built up attraction but it dies down cause I haven't pursued further while she's in the mood and that could be qhat leads to me never getting a text back.


This is what the forum is all about. When all you're getting is numbers, you're playing a numbers game. The girl could've given her number to you for many different reasons. However, what you have to understand is, She's not putting the amount of weight into it as you are mainly because it took her no effort to give her number out. So to her you're just another cute guy that hit on that she gave her number to. There's nothing special about it, so if she talks to you again at that point doesn't matter to her. Guys put weight into a number because we had to muster up courage, confident, and generate and keep conversation going. They didn't have to do anything. So it means nothing. Now the stronger the emotional connection you generate during an approach the more likely they're be open to hearing from you again, but its still not a big guys. Guys are hitting on girl every day. Its nothing new there.

Pushing the interaction both secures emotional investment and potentially allows you to close the deal right there and then.

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This is what the forum is all about. When all you're getting is numbers, you're playing a numbers game. The girl could've given her number to you for many different reasons. However, what you have to understand is, She's not putting the amount of weight into it as you are mainly because it took her no effort to give her number out. So to her you're just another cute guy that hit on that she gave her number to. There's nothing special about it, so if she talks to you again at that point doesn't matter to her. Guys put weight into a number because we had to muster up courage, confident, and generate and keep conversation going. They didn't have to do anything. So it means nothing. Now the stronger the emotional connection you generate during an approach the more likely they're be open to hearing from you again, but its still not a big guys. Guys are hitting on girl every day. Its nothing new there.

Pushing the interaction both secures emotional investment and potentially allows you to close the deal right there and then.

I like the way you put that but see that'd what I'm kinda lost on what are some things I can do that would make me stand out to her wether its emotionally or sexually or whatever it be. I feel like sometimes I feel the girl is really into and even turned on alittle by the way she's looking but once I get the number and move on and I don't usually text until a few hours later the attraction is gone. I think I need to start to hit them up right away. But also you mention pushing the interaction please tell me what's the best way to do that. Details will be appreciated. Thanks


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OP, I agree with everything that's said so far but I have a question for you. When you get a girls phone number, what is the reason that you give her for wanting that number? The reason I ask that question is because, like Eddie says, a woman can give you her number for her own reasons. One of those reasons is that she can tell you later that she isn't interested. One of the things that you can do is give her the reason of wanting to go out with her. If she isn't down for that, she can let you know right there and then. So while you may see your 90% number close go down, you'll see your number to date count go up.


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OP, I agree with everything that's said so far but I have a question for you. When you get a girls phone number, what is the reason that you give her for wanting that number? The reason I ask that question is because, like Eddie says, a woman can give you her number for her own reasons. One of those reasons is that she can tell you later that she isn't interested. One of the things that you can do is give her the reason of wanting to go out with her. If she isn't down for that, she can let you know right there and then. So while you may see your 90% number close go down, you'll see your number to date count go up.

Well offlate doing some reading and stuff on here alot of people mention not to tell her that she's gorgeous,sexy, and etc as she probably hears that alot so I make it a point not to do that. Usually I'll just talk to her banter a bit see if she's into it by her reactions and I'll do like personality tests or whatever I'm feeling at the moment and then when I'm number close just say your pretty cool we should hang out again. Do you think that's making me look more friendly. I don't like to outright say date cause I've heard that's counterproductive. Plus mostly I'm just looking to keep it simple and hangout and hopefully escalate more. But idk what do you think are some tips or steps I should adhere to that maybe the cause of the low number to date ratio?


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OP, I agree with everything that's said so far but I have a question for you. When you get a girls phone number, what is the reason that you give her for wanting that number? The reason I ask that question is because, like Eddie says, a woman can give you her number for her own reasons. One of those reasons is that she can tell you later that she isn't interested. One of the things that you can do is give her the reason of wanting to go out with her. If she isn't down for that, she can let you know right there and then. So while you may see your 90% number close go down, you'll see your number to date count go up.

Well offlate doing some reading and stuff on here alot of people mention not to tell her that she's gorgeous,sexy, and etc as she probably hears that alot so I make it a point not to do that. Usually I'll just talk to her banter a bit see if she's into it by her reactions and I'll do like personality tests or whatever I'm feeling at the moment and then when I'm number close just say your pretty cool we should hang out again. Do you think that's making me look more friendly. I don't like to outright say date cause I've heard that's counterproductive. Plus mostly I'm just looking to keep it simple and hangout and hopefully escalate more. But idk what do you think are some tips or steps I should adhere to that maybe the cause of the low number to date ratio?
"You're pretty cool we should hang out again," can be said to a dude. What makes it worse is that most attractive women know what you really want but if you avoid saying it they'll lead you on until they absolutely have to give you a "no".

The guys that are telling you that's counterproductive are guys that are scared that a girl is not interested so they try to delay a negative response. It's a fear based tactic. I'd be willing to bet the same girls that you've said "you seem cool..." and those turn into dates would have gone out with you if you said that you wanted to go out/go on a date with them.

This whole thing is about mutual attraction. Every girl that's attractive has guys approach them indirectly all of the time. That's fine but at some point in your original interaction you have to get to your intent. Being confident in your intent is much more attractive than trying to ease into it.


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"You're pretty cool we should hang out again," can be said to a dude. What makes it worse is that most attractive women know what you really want but if you avoid saying it they'll lead you on until they absolutely have to give you a "no".

The guys that are telling you that's counterproductive are guys that are scared that a girl is not interested so they try to delay a negative response. It's a fear based tactic. I'd be willing to bet the same girls that you've said "you seem cool..." and those turn into dates would have gone out with you if you said that you wanted to go out/go on a date with them.

This whole thing is about mutual attraction. Every girl that's attractive has guys approach them indirectly all of the time. That's fine but at some point in your original interaction you have to get to your intent. Being confident in your intent is much more attractive than trying to ease into it.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense only reason I haven't cause like from what alot of people say is that she probably hears this 100 times or whatever so it's better to do something different then to go after it right away but idk the indirect thing has not been working for me as I want it to so I'm going to try this way of doing about it thank you.


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Eddie Fews wrote:
This is what the forum is all about. When all you're getting is numbers, you're playing a numbers game. The girl could've given her number to you for many different reasons. However, what you have to understand is, She's not putting the amount of weight into it as you are mainly because it took her no effort to give her number out. So to her you're just another cute guy that hit on that she gave her number to. There's nothing special about it, so if she talks to you again at that point doesn't matter to her. Guys put weight into a number because we had to muster up courage, confident, and generate and keep conversation going. They didn't have to do anything. So it means nothing. Now the stronger the emotional connection you generate during an approach the more likely they're be open to hearing from you again, but its still not a big guys. Guys are hitting on girl every day. Its nothing new there.

Pushing the interaction both secures emotional investment and potentially allows you to close the deal right there and then.

I like the way you put that but see that'd what I'm kinda lost on what are some things I can do that would make me stand out to her wether its emotionally or sexually or whatever it be. I feel like sometimes I feel the girl is really into and even turned on alittle by the way she's looking but once I get the number and move on and I don't usually text until a few hours later the attraction is gone. I think I need to start to hit them up right away. But also you mention pushing the interaction please tell me what's the best way to do that. Details will be appreciated. Thanks


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Im unsure of what happened to my previous responses but i was just encouraging you to pick up the phone and call girls when you get there numbers from now on instead of texting them. When you call a girl you have a direct line into her consciousness. Theres no time for thinking, forgetting, or misunderstandings like you get with text messaging. I almost never text a girl when I get her number unless there was a obviously strong emotional connection made; which led to some form of physical contact (even if thats just a tight hug after the interaction).

The phone call to me acts as a first date almost. So I call a girl up and talk to them just as I would on a first date. I'll spend 30-hour if i need to. Sometimes more. Then the second date is usually at my home.

Try that instead of texting. Start calling them in the evening after getting their numbers. That night if you met them during the day, or the next night if you met them that evening. Call and just talk. Don't worry about what to say. If you can talk to a girl on a date, you can talk to them on a phone from the comfort of your own home.

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Tao312 wrote:
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"You're pretty cool we should hang out again," can be said to a dude. What makes it worse is that most attractive women know what you really want but if you avoid saying it they'll lead you on until they absolutely have to give you a "no".

The guys that are telling you that's counterproductive are guys that are scared that a girl is not interested so they try to delay a negative response. It's a fear based tactic. I'd be willing to bet the same girls that you've said "you seem cool..." and those turn into dates would have gone out with you if you said that you wanted to go out/go on a date with them.

This whole thing is about mutual attraction. Every girl that's attractive has guys approach them indirectly all of the time. That's fine but at some point in your original interaction you have to get to your intent. Being confident in your intent is much more attractive than trying to ease into it.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense only reason I haven't cause like from what alot of people say is that she probably hears this 100 times or whatever so it's better to do something different then to go after it right away but idk the indirect thing has not been working for me as I want it to so I'm going to try this way of doing about it thank you.
Honestly, how many guys have you ever seen approach a woman and have a normal conversation with them and at the same time express attraction? Girls hear that they are attractive 100 times a day but the guy that says these things have nothing else to say beyond that point.

One thing that I've been able to work into most conversations with women is, "you can get away with that because you're pretty," and then I stay on the original conversation topic. To me, that's different than saying, "hey, your hot and I'd like to go out with you." IMO, one is much more charming than the other. And I've said this over and over in the past...if a woman finds you charming and interesting she's going to look for reasons to find you attractive. A normal conversation and a throwaway compliment easily gets the ball rolling for that.


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Honestly, how many guys have you ever seen approach a woman and have a normal conversation with them and at the same time express attraction? Girls hear that they are attractive 100 times a day but the guy that says these things have nothing else to say beyond that point.

One thing that I've been able to work into most conversations with women is, "you can get away with that because you're pretty," and then I stay on the original conversation topic. To me, that's different than saying, "hey, your hot and I'd like to go out with you." IMO, one is much more charming than the other. And I've said this over and over in the past...if a woman finds you charming and interesting she's going to look for reasons to find you attractive. A normal conversation and a throwaway compliment easily gets the ball rolling for that.

Yeah I feel you so like just kinda transition into it smoothly or just throw it in there somewhere imma try that more often thanks. This is why I wish there was like a lair or some fellow people out here in LA preferably experianced down to sarge who could help with my sticking point but there isn't to many out here I have a met few chill ppl though.


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Eddie Fews wrote:
Tao312 wrote:
This is what the forum is all about. When all you're getting is numbers, you're playing a numbers game. The girl could've given her number to you for many different reasons. However, what you have to understand is, She's not putting the amount of weight into it as you are mainly because it took her no effort to give her number out. So to her you're just another cute guy that hit on that she gave her number to. There's nothing special about it, so if she talks to you again at that point doesn't matter to her. Guys put weight into a number because we had to muster up courage, confident, and generate and keep conversation going. They didn't have to do anything. So it means nothing. Now the stronger the emotional connection you generate during an approach the more likely they're be open to hearing from you again, but its still not a big guys. Guys are hitting on girl every day. Its nothing new there.

Pushing the interaction both secures emotional investment and potentially allows you to close the deal right there and then.

I like the way you put that but see that'd what I'm kinda lost on what are some things I can do that would make me stand out to her wether its emotionally or sexually or whatever it be. I feel like sometimes I feel the girl is really into and even turned on alittle by the way she's looking but once I get the number and move on and I don't usually text until a few hours later the attraction is gone. I think I need to start to hit them up right away. But also you mention pushing the interaction please tell me what's the best way to do that. Details will be appreciated. Thanks


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Im unsure of what happened to my previous responses but i was just encouraging you to pick up the phone and call girls when you get there numbers from now on instead of texting them. When you call a girl you have a direct line into her consciousness. Theres no time for thinking, forgetting, or misunderstandings like you get with text messaging. I almost never text a girl when I get her number unless there was a obviously strong emotional connection made; which led to some form of physical contact (even if thats just a tight hug after the interaction).

The phone call to me acts as a first date almost. So I call a girl up and talk to them just as I would on a first date. I'll spend 30-hour if i need to. Sometimes more. Then the second date is usually at my home.

Try that instead of texting. Start calling them in the evening after getting their numbers. That night if you met them during the day, or the next night if you met them that evening. Call and just talk. Don't worry about what to say. If you can talk to a girl on a date, you can talk to them on a phone from the comfort of your own home.

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Eddie Fews wrote:
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This is what the forum is all about. When all you're getting is numbers, you're playing a numbers game. The girl could've given her number to you for many different reasons. However, what you have to understand is, She's not putting the amount of weight into it as you are mainly because it took her no effort to give her number out. So to her you're just another cute guy that hit on that she gave her number to. There's nothing special about it, so if she talks to you again at that point doesn't matter to her. Guys put weight into a number because we had to muster up courage, confident, and generate and keep conversation going. They didn't have to do anything. So it means nothing. Now the stronger the emotional connection you generate during an approach the more likely they're be open to hearing from you again, but its still not a big guys. Guys are hitting on girl every day. Its nothing new there.

Pushing the interaction both secures emotional investment and potentially allows you to close the deal right there and then.

I like the way you put that but see that'd what I'm kinda lost on what are some things I can do that would make me stand out to her wether its emotionally or sexually or whatever it be. I feel like sometimes I feel the girl is really into and even turned on alittle by the way she's looking but once I get the number and move on and I don't usually text until a few hours later the attraction is gone. I think I need to start to hit them up right away. But also you mention pushing the interaction please tell me what's the best way to do that. Details will be appreciated. Thanks


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Im unsure of what happened to my previous responses but i was just encouraging you to pick up the phone and call girls when you get there numbers from now on instead of texting them. When you call a girl you have a direct line into her consciousness. Theres no time for thinking, forgetting, or misunderstandings like you get with text messaging. I almost never text a girl when I get her number unless there was a obviously strong emotional connection made; which led to some form of physical contact (even if thats just a tight hug after the interaction).

The phone call to me acts as a first date almost. So I call a girl up and talk to them just as I would on a first date. I'll spend 30-hour if i need to. Sometimes more. Then the second date is usually at my home.

Try that instead of texting. Start calling them in the evening after getting their numbers. That night if you met them during the day, or the next night if you met them that evening. Call and just talk. Don't worry about what to say. If you can talk to a girl on a date, you can talk to them on a phone from the comfort of your own home.

Imma try that out as well I've always seen reccomend at ions for that but idk I always feel like it would be hard conversation on the phone since I don't know her that well but my text games kinda wack anyways so imma switch to that.


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