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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?


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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?


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 Post subject: Frustrated
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:42 am 
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Okay idk if any of you who are really good at pickup had to go through this at some point but I am getting frustrated. I have been doing picking up for awhile and at first I was having a bit of success idk if it was luck or subconsciously I just did the right thing. But lately I have reached a black hole of unsuccessful encounters. I do a lot of pickup, I get numbers , see a lot of IOIs and ill follow up and number close at least pertaining to day game. Idk what i'm doing wrong but I even try calling. But its gone to point where the girl will be talking outright sexual with me in person even in daygame ill be kinoing her. But once we are apart its like there was never any attraction idk what to do im frustrated im losing motivation and im sick of not getting laid for so long I evn have been trying NoFap lol what can I do or read that would help these sticking points cause Idk what to do at this point lol I number close so often and there is outright attraction but idk where it goes after when it comes to meeting or dates or maybe my text and call game is just took weal. Im a goodlooking guy and im very fit, i've tried taking things slow, super slow, fast, super fast. I just dont know what works for me at this point some help or advice would be greatly appreciated. And please dont say social circle game Im a student and i work i dont have the time for that or even friends atm lol i have one friend i do pickup with once in awhile on weekends and he is like the only person I really hang with. But anyways please give me some advice or tips details appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Frustrated
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:59 am 
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Kinda not sure how to respond to this because you really didn't give any type of information outside of you've tried everything. From what little I know about you, I know that you aren't consistent with how you approach women and therefore it's likely you can't figure out what works for you and your personality. If you are going to move fast, keep doing that and at some point you're going to realize where you have hit your sticking point instead of constantly switching up to see what works.


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 Post subject: Re: Frustrated
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:12 am 
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JackZero wrote:
Kinda not sure how to respond to this because you really didn't give any type of information outside of you've tried everything. From what little I know about you, I know that you aren't consistent with how you approach women and therefore it's likely you can't figure out what works for you and your personality. If you are going to move fast, keep doing that and at some point you're going to realize where you have hit your sticking point instead of constantly switching up to see what works.

What i mean by ive tried everything is ive tried cold approaching, indirect approaching, texting, calling , taking it slow and fast with girls. But for the most part ill get a number close and then either the girl wont respond or we text or I call her and we talk abit and it just doesnt go to even the first date lol like ive tried being consistent with each approach trying it on seperate girls but each time the same results. but yeah its been something ive been doing for a while now so it has been making me frustrated idk if its my text game or do i kino too much or too less or am i not escalating quick enough or what it is lol


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 Post subject: Re: Frustrated
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:20 am 
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Tao312 wrote:
JackZero wrote:
Kinda not sure how to respond to this because you really didn't give any type of information outside of you've tried everything. From what little I know about you, I know that you aren't consistent with how you approach women and therefore it's likely you can't figure out what works for you and your personality. If you are going to move fast, keep doing that and at some point you're going to realize where you have hit your sticking point instead of constantly switching up to see what works.

What i mean by ive tried everything is ive tried cold approaching, indirect approaching, texting, calling , taking it slow and fast with girls. But for the most part ill get a number close and then either the girl wont respond or we text or I call her and we talk abit and it just doesnt go to even the first date lol like ive tried being consistent with each approach trying it on seperate girls but each time the same results. but yeah its been something ive been doing for a while now so it has been making me frustrated idk if its my text game or do i kino too much or too less or am i not escalating quick enough or what it is lol

We're still in the same place. No one can tell what you do. Maybe it is your text game. Maybe you do kino too much or too little. Maybe it's none of that.

If you are losing them before the first text, they were probably just getting rid of you. If you're losing them after texting a bit, you're probably boring them. Here's what I would recommend. Let her know that you want her number because you want to meet up with her later. Spend more time with her after you get her number so you can get a feel if she's really interested but get out of there before things get stale. When you get in touch with her don't waste time trying to small talk her and just make the date (If you can make a date during the initial meet that's even better). Try to make the date happen within two days of meeting her before real life starts to distract her.

Daygame is a flaky scene and the most important thing is to get her emotions sparked otherwise you become unimportant within hours. Don't do the thing of getting a number and waiting days. If she gave you her number today, she'll probably give another guy her number tomorrow. If he gets to her first she'll probably forget about you.


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 Post subject: Re: Frustrated
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:22 pm 
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Bro..

For staters, you have to make a bit more effort to make sure your post are coherent and legible. For someone to give you the help you're looking for, they have to be able to understand what you're saying. And you should be doing your best to make sure it the easiest to understand possible for the people you're looking for help from. Post like this reek of laziness, and Im sure thats not the only area of your life that the laziness shown her spills over into. Perhaps your pick up life? Maybe thats why we're here..

How long has this space where you're not getting lasted ? And how many women are you approaching when you go out and how often?

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 Post subject: Re: Frustrated
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Eddie Fews wrote:
Post like this reek of laziness, and Im sure thats not the only area of you're life that the laziness shown here spills over into.

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 Post subject: Re: Frustrated
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Eddie Fews wrote:
Bro..

For staters, you have to make a bit more effort to make sure your post are coherent and legible. For someone to give you the help you're looking for, they have to be able to understand what you're saying. And you should be doing your best to make sure it the easiest to understand possible for the people you're looking for help from. Post like this reek of laziness, and Im sure thats not the only area of your life that the laziness shown her spills over into. Perhaps your pick up life? Maybe thats why we're here..

How long has this space where you're not getting lasted ? And how many women are you approaching when you go out and how often?

Yeah my bad about that I usually just type in a rush. But yeah I have been gaming for like 2 years ive had some success but mostly it was luck the more I learn and find helpful sources like this log I realize my mistakes. But with this specifically it has been an issue. Like ill number close almost each time smoothly but idk. Maybe its a rapport or attraction issue but im not aware of it. As for my approaches offlate since its like the second week of class atleast one or two per day. I have been successful with one so far and im gonna hang with her this friday. But otherwise for all the girls ive talked to the ratio seems alil low to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Frustrated
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:55 am 
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Maybe you have an inner game (mindset) issue, as opposed to outer game technical issues. For me, anytime i struggle with results in game..i always go back to a beginner mindset that i had before i started getting results with girls that i met through game. As a beginner..i was always open to new ideas and i humbled myself. I didn't have much of an ego about learning this pickup shit, nor did i feel that i was entitled to get laid by the girls that i approached. I wanted to fuck them, but i didn't feel as if they owed it to me. Just get more excited about learning valuable lessons in the field (even if the lessons are very painful ones) rather than focusing on getting laid. In the beginning (when i first got into pickup)..i went a whole 11 months without getting laid, so i find the beginner mindset to be very helpful for me. For me nowadays..i find that i usually get laid some day on the following week after i had a couple bad days or nights of game the week before. As long as you have a solid base understanding of the principles of game (like i do, like i'm sure you do), you will get laid eventually. You have to be patient and trust that you will get laid eventually. Focusing so much on results is probably making you severely outcome dependent, and is fucking up your vibe when you are with girls. If you are feeling the pressure to get laid, then the girl will also feel that pressure. Whatever you feel, she feels. She can definitely feel that desperation coming off of you for sure. And because of this..she may feel the need to run for the hills, away from you. She may be into it in the moment, but when you both part ways, she has time to reflect on the vibe that she felt coming from you. So that's probably why they flake on you after things seemingly went well with you two while you were physically in each other's presence. What you want to be is "present to the moment", and be in a positive, chill, excited, curious, and adventurous state..because you want the girl to feel that way as well. "Put yourself in the same state that you want the girl to be in." as RSD Jeffy always says.


Another thing that helps me is, actually getting to know the girl on a deep level. Actually try to get to know her and make a connection with her. Be present while you're with her, actually listen to her, and get involved into everything that she has to say. Be interactive and attentive to her. A big part of your problem could be that you're viewing the girl as a means to an end (because you are just using her for validation, or as another notch under your belt). You're viewing her as an object, not as a real human being with feelings and emotions. And by viewing her that way..you aren't being present, and it's coming across in your vibe. Go for making that genuine connection with the girl. And by doing so..she may feel genuine chemistry with you, and may be compelled to have sex with you. These are the inner game mindsets that you can adopt to help you get laid again.


Now for practical implementation (practical things that you can do to help solve your outcome dependence, and get you laid). I never understood the whole importance of no-fapping. To me..fapping takes the outcome dependence out of the urge to get laid right now, because by fapping and getting your nut off, whether it's to porn or hot model pics (i have a whole folder full of pictures of hot models on my computer, so i'm good lol) you satisfy that urge. And once you've taken care of that urge, now you can actually just focus on your game when you meet the girl on the Day-2. I find it helpful before a date. Lol This next practical advice will be controversial, and a couple of outspoken forum guys might give me shit for this, but i really don't give a shit. I always try to keep it 100% and i'm genuinely trying to give guys solid practical solutions instead of making guys feel bad for being a bit of an AFC and not knowing exactly what to do. And i'm cool with not everyone liking what i have to say. As long as i'm being honest and helpful, that's all i really care about. So here it is..honestly..maybe consider paying a decent looking prostitute or two (at least an HB7 or HB8 in looks at the minimum), just to get your dick wet. I know it's not real game, and i totally agree. But you need a booster. And once you get laid by the prostitute, you won't be concerned about getting laid again for a little while. At the very least..the prostitute can serve to aid you in ending your drought of not getting laid. And once you've got that out of the way, now you can focus on gaming normal girls and build up your momentum from that point on. Hell..i've done it a couple times myself. You just need something to get you jump started. And that brings me to chicks who may be a little cute but maybe they are carrying a little extra weight on them or are slightly ugly (the HB5s & HB6s). If they are throwing themselves at you, because no one else wants them or is giving them any attention..why not go for the easy lay. I know that your ego probably won't even except this as an option, but beggars can't be choosers. If the HB7s thru 10s aren't trying to fuck you, then you may have to lower the bar a little bit until you can work your way back up to fucking the hotter girls again. Unfortunately, there can be very low lows in this game, but you have to suck it up whenever you get in a drought or slump, and barrel the fuck through it and work your way back up to where you were at before. And this will happen to you off and on throughout your pickup journey. It is what it is. I'm talking about real shit here that people don't wanna hear or talk about, but i'm just keeping it real with you. It's just another part of game that comes with the territory. Lastly, go out and approach women 4 days a week..for a minimum of 2 hours per session, to further increase your odds of getting laid. That's what i did..and i still do it. I usually split it up into 2 and 2 (2 daygame sessions + 2 nightgame sessions = 4 daygame/nightgame sessions per week). That's a minimum of 8 hours of infield gaming per week. That's not really a whole lot when you think about it. Most people work an 8 hour shift in a single day. And you will still have 3 days out of the week where you won't do any pickup sessions. And on each of those 3 off days..you can choose to approach only 1 or 2 girls while you're out and about running errands. So no excuses..get the 8 hours per week in. These are just several of my suggestions that you can explore to kickstart you getting laid again.


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 Post subject: Re: Frustrated
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Tao312 wrote:
I just dont know what works for me at this point some help or advice would be greatly appreciated. And please dont say social circle game Im a student and i work i dont have the time for that or even friends atm lol i have one friend i do pickup with once in awhile on weekends and he is like the only person I really hang with. But anyways please give me some advice or tips details appreciated.


I can't believe that i missed this. The things that i said before my have a very small part to play in your lack of results with women as of late, but actually those factors may just only be a bi-product of what i copied here from your post. Maybe you don't have enough going on other than school and work. In other-words..you have no social life. And as a result..you may be giving off a weird "i'm a loner with no friends or a social life" vibe to girls. In addition to that, your only extra-curricular activity is gaming girls. So all of these factors contribute to you becoming predictable and outcome dependent, which is probably why the girls don't stick around long enough for you to fuck them.


Don't make your social life all about girls. Actually do a couple of extra-curricular activities every week that you enjoy, that doesn't have anything to do with picking up girls. These could be activities like: volunteer work, community meetings, social work, going to the gym, jogging, biking, basketball, sports club, mixed martial arts class, join a church mission group, etc. Whatever it is, it doesn't matter..as long as the activity's primary focus isn't picking up women. Now you can still approach a couple of women while you're doing the activity, there's nothing wrong with that. Also..make more friends that you can hangout with. Sometimes your friends will have fun activities going on (if you don't) that you can join into. And i believe that if you make your social life more abundant outside of picking up women, it will help your vibe. And you can still pick up women on the side. Ironically, once you do that..women might start chasing you, as opposed to you chasing them all of the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Frustrated
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Tao312 wrote:
I just dont know what works for me at this point some help or advice would be greatly appreciated. And please dont say social circle game Im a student and i work i dont have the time for that or even friends atm lol i have one friend i do pickup with once in awhile on weekends and he is like the only person I really hang with. But anyways please give me some advice or tips details appreciated.


I can't believe that i missed this. The things that i said before my have a very small part to play in your lack of results with women as of late, but actually those factors may just only be a bi-product of what i copied here from your post. Maybe you don't have enough going on other than school and work. In other-words..you have no social life. And as a result..you may be giving off a weird "i'm a loner with no friends or a social life" vibe to girls. In addition to that, your only extra-curricular activity is gaming girls. So all of these factors contribute to you becoming predictable and outcome dependent, which is probably why the girls don't stick around long enough for you to fuck them.


Don't make your social life all about girls. Actually do a couple of extra-curricular activities every week that you enjoy, that doesn't have anything to do with picking up girls. These could be activities like: volunteer work, community meetings, social work, going to the gym, jogging, biking, basketball, sports club, mixed martial arts class, join a church mission group, etc. Whatever it is, it doesn't matter..as long as the activity's primary focus isn't picking up women. Now you can still approach a couple of women while you're doing the activity, there's nothing wrong with that. Also..make more friends that you can hangout with. Sometimes your friends will have fun activities going on (if you don't) that you can join into. And i believe that if you make your social life more abundant outside of picking up women, it will help your vibe. And you can still pick up women on the side. Ironically, once you do that..women might start chasing you, as opposed to you chasing them all of the time.


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My man... so you really do like inner game then huh?

So, everything G said was pretty much what I was going to say more or less. This sounds 100% like an inner game problem which means it's a 'life' problem, not a technique problem. It sounds like you're not happy with your life right now yet your desperately wanting women. The fact that you're not getting them increases that desperation because you feel that you 'should' be getting them given you've gotten them before. Challenges with women are often symptoms of larger problems in a guys life. And honestly, you pretty much hit the nail on the head when you mentioned your lack of social life.

Often, it's the very things we avoid or don't want to do that is the very thing we MUST do if we want the results. In this case, you must socialize and have some sort of a social life. There's no going about that, especially with you, because of the very fact you mentioned it. And it sounds like it's something you don't want to do, so you must do it... if you want results with women. You don't need to dedicate a shit ton of time, but you need do it. Find groups, hit up old friends, go to events, meetup.com, sports clubs, student clubs, martial arts club, go out yourself, anything, but you need to start engaging with people. Remember, women crave connection, and if your ability to connect with people has diminished because you don't have a social life anymore, how are you going to be able to give her that? It's not all about work and being fit. Besides, what does money even represent, status, right? Money represents status. But if you have no social life and no friends, what do you really have? Do you actually have any status? So, therefore, your social life is the area you must get back into in some form or another. Don't be lazy. Not having time is bullshit. You either make time or you don't. It's as simple as that.


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