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Click Here To Read This Free Guide


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Part II of my guide can be found here


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wow chief u must of hadd some time on your hands man!
great post this is really going to help me alot!!

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Interesting ... is this like your own method, or are you inspired by other puas? It sometimes makes me think of Gambler.

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Well, I'm officially blown away.

Admittedly there is less obvious 60 influences than I had expected (discounting the SFT, of course), but it's all so awesome.

Thanks a ton, Chief!

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Bear in mind that you don't have to prepare a script ahead of time. Just know what you're looking for in a woman and trust yourself to generate the appropriate fluff talk when the time comes. If you freeze up while you're actually talking to her, just relax and tell her that you're a little shy and not really used to doing this sort of thing. She'll appreciate the honesty and may even help move the conversation forward if you don't run away with your tail tucked between your legs. If she doesn't, then simply taking a breath and relaxing may help you get over mental blocks. Remember: If you're genuinely curious about her then you'll never run out of stuff to talk about.

More example scripts would help guys out a lot. Advising someone with social anxiety to "trust yourself to generate stuff when the time comes" is putting a lot of unneeded pressure on them, small steps. Your steps following this aren't very practical and wouldn't give me much confidence if my initial convo failed. New guys pretty much assume they are going to fail, they want it to seem fail safe. Practical back up plans make people happy. Not many of the newbies are monks and able to meditate when things go wrong :)

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You can achieve feeling compassion for someone by making an earnest effort to imagine yourself in his or her shoes. Everyone's got a tough journey to walk, and, believe it not, we're all trying what we think is the best we can with what we've got.

If you had more exercises to adopting this perspective than just one for this seemingly important part, I'm sure guys would have better success.
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It's definitely OK to use phone calls to just shoot the shit and have shallow, flirty conversations, too. In fact, I highly encourage doing so before you try arranging a meet up. It'll get the girl accustomed to just talking to you without any pressure. How do you have a shallow and flirty conversation? Talk about anything while ramping up your sexual state as you would be doing face to face. You'll find the answer while you're in that state. It's like only being able to find the answer to a zen koan only through the state of meditation.

So there are no gambits, examples, or routines that can help? Of course I'm being facetious, there are plenty of things you can do here like sexy points or role playing. Examples of these would help people who don't know how to have a "flirty conversation" figure that out.

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Hobbit, I have a question for you.

You seem really concerned about breaking stuff down into nice, simple chunks for the newbies who can't meditate or whatever.

Why do you care so much about these kinds of newbies?

Here's my take on it: two kinds of people come to this forum: those who "want" to learn, and those who "must" learn or "commit" to learn. Those who "want" to learn generally populate the routines section and try and find easy and painless ways to get better. They usually drop out fairly quickly.

Second type sticks around longer. They may start with routines, but they often find their own way to the top. The key thing is, they are motivated enough that they'll make their own easy steps, and are willing to accept some easy pain.

Basically, you're helping out the first types, but is there any real point to that, since they're probably going to drop out anyway?

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Shyler wrote:
Interesting ... is this like your own method, or are you inspired by other puas? It sometimes makes me think of Gambler.

I started studying seduction community material in 2003. There is no possible way that I wasn't influenced and inspired by other PUAs lol

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Hobbit, I have a question for you.

You seem really concerned about breaking stuff down into nice, simple chunks for the newbies who can't meditate or whatever.

Why do you care so much about these kinds of newbies?

Here's my take on it: two kinds of people come to this forum: those who "want" to learn, and those who "must" learn or "commit" to learn. Those who "want" to learn generally populate the routines section and try and find easy and painless ways to get better. They usually drop out fairly quickly.

Second type sticks around longer. They may start with routines, but they often find their own way to the top. The key thing is, they are motivated enough that they'll make their own easy steps, and are willing to accept some easy pain.

Basically, you're helping out the first types, but is there any real point to that, since they're probably going to drop out anyway?

Actually I share very similar concerns with Hobbit in terms of how helpful advice can be to people in the beginning stages of learning pickup, and I personally asked him to find any holes in my Outer Game guide to see if it's actually practical for beginners since I respect his opinion. I want to be able to cater to as many different kinds of students as possible, so you'll be seeing some edits to my posts eventually.

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AFC Royal wrote:
Hobbit, I have a question for you.

You seem really concerned about breaking stuff down into nice, simple chunks for the newbies who can't meditate or whatever.

Why do you care so much about these kinds of newbies?

Here's my take on it: two kinds of people come to this forum: those who "want" to learn, and those who "must" learn or "commit" to learn. Those who "want" to learn generally populate the routines section and try and find easy and painless ways to get better. They usually drop out fairly quickly.

Second type sticks around longer. They may start with routines, but they often find their own way to the top. The key thing is, they are motivated enough that they'll make their own easy steps, and are willing to accept some easy pain.

Basically, you're helping out the first types, but is there any real point to that, since they're probably going to drop out anyway?

I don't think its useful to label people in one group or another, just for the simple fact of saying "this group does it better than that group." Everyone who needs help learns different ways. Their way of dealing with things may differ, but it doesn't mean we should give up on them or judge them.

The simple fact is a lot of advice given on this forum isn't practical. It's much more like philosophy and as a result, not nearly as useful. I think most of Chief's thread is great, but there were just some parts that just assumed the newbie knew what to do already and that doesn't help the newbie :)

I hope this helps you understand my perspective :)

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IMHO, this is an epic post.

Any examples of pickup (could be fictitious) with the text for the chat word by word with explanation where you do the kino stuff would just add more value to this post.

Thanks Chief.

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i know what they say about switching methods a lot. but i think ill incorporate this pretty soon. i ESPECIALLY like the conversation part, thats pretty solid, fine tuned it from somwhere else i heard it (I thought i had but maybe not)

soon we'll be paying $600 for a chief dvd :P

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I don't think its useful to label people in one group or another, just for the simple fact of saying "this group does it better than that group." Everyone who needs help learns different ways. Their way of dealing with things may differ, but it doesn't mean we should give up on them or judge them.

The simple fact is a lot of advice given on this forum isn't practical. It's much more like philosophy and as a result, not nearly as useful. I think most of Chief's thread is great, but there were just some parts that just assumed the newbie knew what to do already and that doesn't help the newbie Smile

I hope this helps you understand my perspective Smile


Ok, thanks for the response, Hobbit. I can definitely appreciate the fact that a lot of advice given in the forum could use a brush up on practicality.

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Bumping this thread purely because I feel that more people should read this inspiring piece of writing.

And for the ones wondering: There's not a single "synthetic" PUA out there which has not been inspired one way or another by other matieral/methods. Putting pieces together from different sources and making the method that perfectly fits you is the ultimate goal.

In addition, don't take Chief's "method" for granted and believe it's going to get you laid like a rockstar. Sure, it may do so - but it also may not. In other words, this is the way he's doing it, just like MM is the way Mystery has been doing it.

Be open minded at all times and use what works for you.


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Chief do you think it a good idea to let newbies know this is this the next step to read in your title after conquering 'hi' mission as its taken me a while to home in on this post as ive just got first number close and posted question on this?


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