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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:37 pm 
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Hey Prompter and welcome to the JHB lair.

How awesome is Neil Strauss' book :) Lifechanging hey?

I've got The Rules Of The Game book
but I hardly read it, I used to follow the challenges in it but since I have a
'direct' style of game I found it wasn't for me. I did it for about 2 weeks
then I hit a bump and fell off the wagon (so to speak) and I felt like I
had to start over because after a while I forgot or became dis-interested
in that particular style of game. Direct and inDirect will always be at
each other because of such diverse styles.

All in all, it basically it demands
you practice everyday for a month (more or less ,counting days off)
and do some self-improvement on your own image and inner self at the
time, it demands quite a bit of your own devoted time
to make it successful. If you want to get really
good at the game in a month read that book.

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One thing is clear in my mind though, there's only one way to get good at this: practice, practice, practice. So if you are planning on a night of sarging in Jozi, do let me know.


You're right man you need to practice whenever you can. If it were up
to me I'd practice my day game 5x a week min. , but since I'm a student
and still rely on my folks for cash at the moment I can only practice 2x
a week. A little word of advice regarding night sarging, in my
personal experience, wait until you feel your inner game is
in a good place and you feel confident to go out and
you are coherent in yourself before attempting to
pickup at night.

When my friends try and pickup chicks (once in a blue moon)
they down loads of alcohol to ease the tension and use that
as the stimulant to try and get girls. This often ends up
in them either puking all over the place, starting
fights with other people, and even swearing
at others for no reason...this is EXTREMELY
un-attractive trust me. You're also
really un-calibrated when pissed
which makes it easier to do
things you'll regret in the morning
which is when the shit hits the fan.

When you're
drunk out of your mind and you
pass a group of beautiful girls,
the look they give you is
indescribable...it makes you
feel like CRAP. I've done it
before, it's just not worth
the embarrassment.

Apart from that
it just lowers your own self worth and value.
So take it from me, if you do intend to go out and
sarge at night...don't drink or have the intention of getting
drunk. If you do feel like a beverage, have something
soft like Smirnoff SPIN for example. These are
acceptable to drink when gaming as you'll need
to down like 9 of them before feeling tipsy! ;)

Also, alot of newbies getting into the game decide to try
their luck too soon before considering how far they have
come and have far they need to go before they can
begin to step into game mode or hit a club and
sarge. I'm not saying you shouldn't go out
and try, but it's better to improve
on your inner game first and
work on your confidence
levels and approaching stamina
before rushing into sets. The last thing
you want to do is go into a set, run a routine...
then BAM!, some girl says something from
behind her bitch shield that catches
you off guard and you don't
know how to bypass or it destroy it...what next?
You'll be shoved out that set faster than you
can say "Swiss cheese".

In all seriousness man, it's great you want to
hit the clubs and sarge, but improve on your
inner game by getting your confidence up by
and getting rid of that AA.

I'm telling you,
if you spend a few hours a week
simply approaching girls and
learning that they won't
kick you or bite your
head off by simply asking them
a question, you'll get your confidence
levels up in no time.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:01 am 
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Hey Chai, thanks for the book comments and advice.

Let me start by saying that although it's a common theme in this forum, i still don't know the difference between direct and indirect game. As I said, I'm quite new to this and "The Game" doesn't say anything about this. At least not till the part I've read. Anyway, surely I'll find out about the different approaches in due time as I continue reading more material.

I agree 100%. Drinking and sarging is probably a more lethal combination than drinking and driving. The former should also be illegal! It's the quickest path to a crash and burn.

I will probably start with a day sarge at a shopping center. I think that women are less defensive during the day and probably more open to engage in a conversation with a stranger. I'll make sure I post a field report on this. By the way, I don't think I've seen a single field report in this forum. Come on guys, let's start sharing our experiences (good and bad) and knowledge. It'll push us all forward much quicker!

One last thing. I saw your nickelodeon-fantasy video on youtube. Dude it is SOO spot on. Keep it up! TV and movies keep selling us these fantasies of how beautiful women can just randomly fall into our lap. Let's not blame the idiots who sell us such bullshit, let's just make sure that we don't buy it from them.

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Let me start by saying that although it's a common theme in this forum, i still don't know the difference between direct and indirect game. As I said, I'm quite new to this and "The Game" doesn't say anything about this. At least not till the part I've read. Anyway, surely I'll find out about the different approaches in due time as I continue reading more material.


Direct is about laying out all the cards on the table and going straight up to the target and letting her know right away, from the get go,
what your initial feelings are towards her.

Here's a good common example of a direct approach: You walk past an
attractive girl, you run up to her and stop her for a moment and open
her by telling her that she looks absolutely amazing, and you just
wanted to let her know.
It's a very ballsy way of approaching
(in my opinion) because you don't waste time and you just
get straight to the point. It's also great because (as you
said) girls in the daytime are less likely to get hit on
during the day time so their not expecting to be
approached by guys. This is why day game
combined with Direct approaching is so
effective.

You're also completely catching
her off guard by coming off as so
casual. You come off as a guy
who had no intention of picking up a girl and
you just HAD to go over and tell how beautiful
she looked before you went on your merry way.
I admit, I have done this to a girl
before, on Tuesday, she wasn't as responsive (she was just like
"Ok oh, thanks...") but I didn't give a shit, aslong as I got
my approach ;) Some girls are more inclined and open to
others, some aren't, but hey that's the way of the world.
I've practiced by opening other girls and they've all
gone down well (I had a laughing contest with a
girl in the middle of Eastgate Shopping Centre :)
People may have been looking, we were REALLY
laughing like mad folk lol, but I didn't give a shit,
I knew I made her day and I felt really good
when I left.

You will eventually meet girls that are better than others,
and if they aren't as friendly, just brush it off, chances are
you'll never see them again so whats the point in mulling over it?

Right so onto indirect...

An inDirect approach would be something more under the
radar aspect like: You see an attract
girl, you run up to her and say something like: "Hey, sorry to
bother you, but who do you think lies more...Men or Women?"
This type of opener is one of the most commonly used
as it was created by Mystery. The thing about inDirect
is that although you're asking your target a question,
you may come off as a guy who is trying to hit on
her. Reason being because: He came all this way
to ask me a question? He's hitting on me... He wants my opinion in a
nightclub? He's hitting on me... I quoted that from Adam Lyons so yeah lol.

Anyway, indirect simply means that you're not being Direct about letting
the girl know about your intentions right away, you're either going to
go into a routine or talk to her about something irrelevant like
"what's your favourite flavour of bowling ball?", that kind of stuff.
Intitially (that last one) is to get her to laugh at the sheer randomness
of the question, if she laughs / complies, it's an IOI (indicator of interest)
and this allows you to proceed further.

The differences between direct and inDirect is a little self
explanatory but I'm sure you get the idea now?


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I agree 100%. Drinking and sarging is probably a more lethal combination than drinking and driving. The former should also be illegal! It's the quickest path to a crash and burn.


Haha man I think drinking and driving is more dangerous :) A little
story I actually wanna tell you, it's irrelevant to the pickup discussion
but I think you might like the humor!

Back in...2010...I went with my 2 friends (lets call them Adam and Trent)
to JUICE nightclub in Midrand (you heard of it?) and we all got really drunk
one night. Fortunately for me I still maintained some order and was
still calibrated enough to let them know we should bounce (it was
at 2am) and I told em we should get some McDonalds on the way
back as it was a 20KM drive to back home. Inclined by my offer
the 3 of us got into Trents car and we set off.

At this point, I assumed Trent was sober enough to drive,
and me still being more drunk than being able to take shit
seriously...allowed him to drive :) This is where shit got real
funny. Adam, wasted out of mind was sticking his head out the
window! While I was laughing my head off
I saw that Trent (the designated driver) wasn't looking
so grand is his head was kinda bobbing like a dead fish.

I asked him if was ok to drive (bear in mind that we're on the M1 and
we're probably going at a good 100km's and an unstable drunk-ish driver!)
and he said "yeah bro...i'm...ummm...oh fuck...." at this point I'm
like "SWEET JESUS O__O HE'S PISSED. HE'S FUCKING PISSED!!"
Trent quickly began to hit the 110KM mark and I tried to wake
Adam up. Adam was passed out from earlier because he
so wasted. Adam wouldn't wake up so I slapped his
face, that woke him up good and solid. He was like
"DUDE! WTF??" And i pointed to Trent and said "That's
WTF! We got a drunk fuckin designated driver!"

In about 2 seconds he went stonefaced O____O,
Trent had just hit the 120KM mark! Adam and I were
both shouting at one another on how to stop Trent from
veering off the road and killing us all! We tried to convice
the drunk sod to pull us over but he gave us a lecture
on pineapples and their theory on gravitation pulls.
We knew that you had to be completely wasted
out of your HEAD to say shit like that and
knowing we were probably gonna die,
we sat back...and began to pray.

Adam pulled out a bible from underneath the
car seat (i don't why a bible happened to be in
the car but whatever) and he began reciting "Oh
heavenly father..." and at this time I was in the
fetal position in the back seat cause Trent had
hit the 130KM mark, Trent starts
reciting bubblegum and the digestive system
in detail, so probably awaiting our final moments
we had to listen to this fool talk about chewing gum!

I knew this would be the final moments of my life...in a car with
a preaching semi drunk idiot and a wasted
driver! 140KM mark...at this point I felt
like shouting out the window
and calling for help, but the asshole
locked my back windows!! I told Adam
we had to do something or shit was gonna
get real. 150KM...finally hit...I was wondering
why no cops were on the highway?

Adam got a grip of himself and shouted at Trent to pull over,
Trent then looked glazed at Adam...and puked ALL OVER Adam's lap!!
Adam began to scream like this Image and I began to laugh my head off! xD
Adam was literally covered in a puddle of puke, I mean, the orangy
kind and with bits of hot dog sticking out, it was REALLY gross!
Luckily for us that was the saving grace that made Trent come
to, he slowed down to 110KM...then what Trent asked next
I knew could only come out of his mouth...he then
said "So we still get McDonalds or what?"

The guy was travelling at 150KM, wasted out his
mind, he puked all
over my best friend and he nearly killed us all
and he still had the audacity to ask us if we
were still gonna get food!! :shock:

It was one of the funniest and scariest nights of my
life man...scarred for life and won't drink again but
funny as hell! But ask yourself this quickly: Which
is worse...getting crash and burned by a girl...
or possibly dying at the hands of a drunk driver lol ;)

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One last thing. I saw your nickelodeon-fantasy video on youtube. Dude it is SOO spot on. Keep it up! TV and movies keep selling us these fantasies of how beautiful women can just randomly fall into our lap. Let's not blame the idiots who sell us such bullshit, let's just make sure that we don't buy it from them.


Thanks by the way man I'm glad someone enjoyed that video, it's cool to see
that people have the same idea and agree with me on the perspective!
Although the concept from Nick. and Disney is completely false it's
sad to see that AFC's and kids have to put up with that bullshit.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:47 pm 
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Hey guys

Right so here's a treat for all you JHB sargers (dont worry DBN
and CPT you can join in too)...Next week I'll be hosting South Africa's
first...PICKUP PODCAST.

That's right! It'll will be a LIVE 30 - 45min event where you can
phone in and discuss on certain topics, debate on topics
at hand or just get general conversation flowing through your
own personal experiences. You can also giving your own
philosophies to help others and what you've
encountered thus far in the community.

Please remember:

I am not a professional or advanced PUA. I am a
guy (still in approaching stages and practicing
but I know my theory really well)
merely trying to get the South African Pickup communities
content out to the other PUA communities around the world to
let them know that even here on this crazy continent, our guys have game
and it is alive and well. America, Britain and countries in Europe
are rife with seduction content...its about time we start
contributing and getting our country on the map as a notable hotspot.

Official dates, times and contact details will be uploaded
soon so please, check back here regularly for the releases.

Finally, by being part of the podcast you agree to have you're
voice and information distributed freely across all content
(I'm not going to sell anything I'm doing this for free)
and platforms for educational and entertainment
purposes. Basically this means you're ok to call
in / be part of the conversation with your voice on it to
be put on youtube and general internet for
sharing purposes.


Once again, please keep tabs on this page guys, this
thread is starting to get on a roll but I can't do it by
myself, I also need your help to keep this post
alive. I'm really passionate about the community
and I want this to be a great success. Let's make
this happen.

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If its a podcast surely anyone can participate?

I would but i'm not too keen on having my voice all over the internet, especially not to do with SA pick up :P

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f its a podcast surely anyone can participate?


Yeah of course anyone can join, I just thought that maybe
the South African community should have their own podcasts
before getting the US and Europe on board with it. Just a
thought :)

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I would but i'm not too keen on having my voice all over the internet, especially not to do with SA pick up


Lol why not, who's going to know besides anyone in the community?

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I like the podcast idea... I'll surely like to listen in on it. Maybe participate if need be. Please post the details as soon as possible.


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I like the podcast idea... I'll surely like to listen in on it. Maybe participate if need be. Please post the details as soon as possible.


Thing is that if I do the podcast I'll need to atleast have one guest / person
on the show so it can be more interesting in the converse. There's little use
me doing a podcast on my own, otherwise it makes me look like I'm just
flaunting my ego haha :)

So if anyone is really keen on going for it let me know.

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I don't think you really need a guest speaker on the very first podcast.


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It doesn't have to be a guest or a special person it can
just be anyone wanting to join in the conversation. The
whole point of a podcast is to have a collective discussion
on viewpoints and have others contribute towards
the converse to make the content worthwhile.
There's very little point in me discussing
a topic by myself for 40 minutes when
the only opinion is my opinion. You get me?

If I know that a person is willing to be on the same
call then I'll do a podcast.

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Okay I see the point. I'm sure a few people will be able to participate. Isn't there another way for South African to have group discussions. Other than on forums because not everybody visit the forums regulary.


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wanna buy some crack?...i kid i kid!seriously im new,so plzz be nice,and so happy to have come across this forum.so im kinda just tired of not understanding women an being taken advantage of.just broke it off 2 weeks ago with an HB7 because all of a sudden an "old family friend" surprised her a day after things got intimate between myself an her.and the funny thing is from day 1 this chick wouldnt leave me alone,and then when this friend shows face she stops with all the interest.so i pick up on this and ask why she's so short with me to which she comes clean.will be honest didnt take it well cause i expected more.but yea,to cut the story short i told her im not interested in just being friends and then i removed her off my bb an fb.i duno if it was the right thing to do,but it felt right.i just want to be able to play the "game" and not be taken advantage of or left vulnerable,my intentions arent to abuse what i learn and know.its simply to complete this void in my life.yea it be nice if i can get feedback as well as info regarding workshops and other pua's in durban etc(so i joined TSL,BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A GHOST TOWN.have been studying the materials on this forum and its tops,but im looking for more.

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wanna buy some crack?...i kid i kid!seriously im new,so plzz be nice,and so happy to have come across this forum.so im kinda just tired of not understanding women an being taken advantage of.just broke it off 2 weeks ago with an HB7 because all of a sudden an "old family friend" surprised her a day after things got intimate between myself an her.and the funny thing is from day 1 this chick wouldnt leave me alone,and then when this friend shows face she stops with all the interest.so i pick up on this and ask why she's so short with me to which she comes clean.will be honest didnt take it well cause i expected more.but yea,to cut the story short i told her im not interested in just being friends and then i removed her off my bb an fb.i duno if it was the right thing to do,but it felt right.i just want to be able to play the "game" and not be taken advantage of or left vulnerable,my intentions arent to abuse what i learn and know.its simply to complete this void in my life.yea it be nice if i can get feedback as well as info regarding workshops and other pua's in durban etc(so i joined TSL,BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A GHOST TOWN.have been studying the materials on this forum and its tops,but im looking for more


You did the right thing letting her go. Welcome to the forum man. Maybe you have already seen this but it's worthwhile to read.

Newbie FAQ: newbie-faq-introduction-to-pua-vt44144.html

Worthwhile Threads: worthwhile-threads-vt20776.html

Just remember, nothing beats experience, and material mean nothing when you are not out there applying what you learned to see what works for yourself.


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:02 pm 
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PUA Conference in JHB
Sat 2 June, 11am- 2pm
At the dance juxion in rosebank mall. on roof.
R50 (covers rent)
Have some special prizes for people at transformations
Get verification (LVL2 access) for forum (see below)

DBN Conference in JUNE

Search for pick up artist South Africa on FB and a guy named victor marks will contact you and move you to the actual secret group, and you can get updates on new events in SA.

NEW SA SITE COMING, FORUM UP SO LONG.
w w w . africapickupartist . co . za / lounge /
LVL1 access- As a reg member you only get access to first 2 forums
LVL2 access- Once verified in person you get access to the bulk stuff 4 forums.
LVL3 access- Students get special attention and info on their forum
LVL4 access- for instructors and top PUAs

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I've got college and working that day :(

FUCK this looked really chilled, whens another gonna be in JHB?

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