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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 2:01 pm 
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I often sarge a woman, get her contact info, then message her later that day and tell her that I will call her tomorrow to tell her a fun plan for us (which is me talking them into going to a hotel with me).

Of course, when they text me asking what I have in mind, I don't want to text them that I plan to take them to a hotel because of course they will flake out and cut contact in 99% of cases.

Due to this, I often say something like, it is a surprise! Which seems to get women off my back for the rest of the night, but what about women that keep insisting on me telling them my plan?

I often just cut them off and say I will call you and tell you about it tomorrow and wish them a goodnight haha.

So my other question is...if your plan is to just try to bang them with no dinner, coffee, walk in the park bs...what exactly to you say to a woman that puts you on the spot by asking what you have in mind?


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I often sarge a woman, get her contact info, then message her later that day and tell her that I will call her tomorrow to tell her a fun plan for us (which is me talking them into going to a hotel with me).

Of course, when they text me asking what I have in mind, I don't want to text them that I plan to take them to a hotel because of course they will flake out and cut contact in 99% of cases.

Due to this, I often say something like, it is a surprise! Which seems to get women off my back for the rest of the night, but what about women that keep insisting on me telling them my plan?

I often just cut them off and say I will call you and tell you about it tomorrow and wish them a goodnight haha.

So my other question is...if your plan is to just try to bang them with no dinner, coffee, walk in the park bs...what exactly to you say to a woman that puts you on the spot by asking what you have in mind?

This seems like an implausible scenario, but I'll play along.

I would tell her it is something that she can't really verify if it exists or not. For instance, a party somewhere, or a cruise on a boat out in the ocean or on a lake. You can act like you had all of it lined up and it sounds cool as fuck, but then be like "Oh, my buddy's boat needed some engine work" or "That party got postponed until next weekend."

Those particular situations are enticing to women because they involve: A) being around a lot of people so they can get attention, and B) water.

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Johnny Utah wrote:
So my other question is...if your plan is to just try to bang them with no dinner, coffee, walk in the park bs...what exactly to you say to a woman that puts you on the spot by asking what you have in mind?




This is a sign that the woman isn't quite comfortable with you, or doesn't trust you. My advice is if they harp on it, tell her it's a cool bar, then meet for drinks and invite her over 45 minutes into the date.

The "hotel" thing is trickier than having your own place to bring them back to. If it's a nice hotel, it's an advantage. If it's just an okay one, its Sketch City.

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OMFG. Are you seriously trying to take a girl on a first date but refuse to tell her where? I'd be afraid that you were going to try to rape me.


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You are better off sarging, meeting her, then going for the lay then instead of going away and trying to re-enter the interaction. When you are standing there in front of her, you are able to influence her. The moment you walk away, she now gets to analyze what just happened. That's when she realizes her family would disapprove, or she doesn't want her friends to find out and label her "that kind of girl," or fuck she's convinced herself that she is supposed to date guys that are different than you in some trivial way. That's why you, me, or any guy can fuck a girl and then be told we are the exact opposite of what they usually go for. In the moment you can mix emotional stimulation, sexual arousal and social frame together. A text message just can't have the same impact.

And on a legit note...dude she doesn't wanna get raped! If I am trying to take a girl from the bar back home I still say shit like we can chill with my pets and I'll mix up a couple cocktails. Yes, we both know fucking will be involved, but you just have to give her some bs she can tell a random friend who happens to see her with you. If you don't have some form of plausible deniability, alarms are gonna go off in her head.

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You are better off sarging, meeting her, then going for the lay then instead of going away and trying to re-enter the interaction. When you are standing there in front of her, you are able to influence her. The moment you walk away, she now gets to analyze what just happened. That's when she realizes her family would disapprove, or she doesn't want her friends to find out and label her "that kind of girl," or fuck she's convinced herself that she is supposed to date guys that are different than you in some trivial way. That's why you, me, or any guy can fuck a girl and then be told we are the exact opposite of what they usually go for. In the moment you can mix emotional stimulation, sexual arousal and social frame together. A text message just can't have the same impact.
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You are better off sarging, meeting her, then going for the lay then instead of going away and trying to re-enter the interaction. When you are standing there in front of her, you are able to influence her. The moment you walk away, she now gets to analyze what just happened. That's when she realizes her family would disapprove, or she doesn't want her friends to find out and label her "that kind of girl," or fuck she's convinced herself that she is supposed to date guys that are different than you in some trivial way. That's why you, me, or any guy can fuck a girl and then be told we are the exact opposite of what they usually go for. In the moment you can mix emotional stimulation, sexual arousal and social frame together. A text message just can't have the same impact.
Although I find the word "sarging" repulsive, I had to quote this twice because it's the absolute truth.


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OMFG. Are you seriously trying to take a girl on a first date but refuse to tell her where? I'd be afraid that you were going to try to rape me.


Ok, so she showed interest in me first and she made the first moves on me. I would be taking her to what is known as a love hotel in Japan. They aren't places where you rape women. They are famous as convenient and reasonably-priced places to have sex.

I wouldn't just take her to a hotel without first telling her on the phone before meeting, that I want to show her a really beautiful, upscale hotel. So it isn't like "Just come with me, and SURPRISE it's a hotel! Let's go!" lol


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So my other question is...if your plan is to just try to bang them with no dinner, coffee, walk in the park bs...what exactly to you say to a woman that puts you on the spot by asking what you have in mind?




This is a sign that the woman isn't quite comfortable with you, or doesn't trust you. My advice is if they harp on it, tell her it's a cool bar, then meet for drinks and invite her over 45 minutes into the date.

The "hotel" thing is trickier than having your own place to bring them back to. If it's a nice hotel, it's an advantage. If it's just an okay one, its Sketch City.


Yes, I am thinking of inviting her somewhere to drink with me. There is only one western style bar in this entire town and the rest are called Kyabakura (Cabarets) where you pay to drink and talk with women. So I might end up seeing if she is down to drink and walk around downtown or chill at a very public, non-creepy park downtown lol.

If she is truly interested and isn't a flake, she should maybe be down to go with me to a local love hotel from there (there are love hotels all over the place).

As for the love hotel I had in mind, it is a really upscale place and far from cheap.


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So I changed my mind. I don't want to meet with her at all. I met some other women this morning and got their contacts while I was buying myself some breakfast.

I have had women message me saying: "I want to know what you want to do!" the night before we meet up after I tell them I plan to give them a call and tell them about a fun plan to meet up the next night. This is what she messaged me last night.

Of course, she is already thinking that I want to just have sex with her and she is correct. In situations like this, the woman would already be ready to go with her rejection on the tip of her tongue when I call her up lol. There is a chance that she might be down to have sex, but usually that is not the case when they ask questions like the one above.

I will assume that she is just going to turn me down over the phone, which is fine. She is the one that was hitting on me yesterday, while I was just shopping for a mother's day gift lol. It is no loss and like mentioned on here a billion times, there are countless other women to move on to that will be interested.


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Johnny Utah wrote:
So I changed my mind. I don't want to meet with her at all. I met some other women this morning and got their contacts while I was buying myself some breakfast.

I have had women message me saying: "I want to know what you want to do!" the night before we meet up after I tell them I plan to give them a call and tell them about a fun plan to meet up the next night. This is what she messaged me last night.

Of course, she is already thinking that I want to just have sex with her and she is correct. In situations like this, the woman would already be ready to go with her rejection on the tip of her tongue when I call her up lol. There is a chance that she might be down to have sex, but usually that is not the case when they ask questions like the one above.

I will assume that she is just going to turn me down over the phone, which is fine. She is the one that was hitting on me yesterday, while I was just shopping for a mother's day gift lol. It is no loss and like mentioned on here a billion times, there are countless other women to move on to that will be interested.


Glad to see everything worked out.

Just out of curiosity, does telling them you have a surprise for them ever actually work? I would never say that honestly. It seems sketchy. Of course there are ways of going about. The way you phrase things and general tone helps. I just would not feel comfortable saying that. I don't see the issue in taking a girl out to get a drink before hand. It makes the sex better too. I wouldn't be concerned about spending like $10. A lot of girls these days will pay for themselves too. I generally follow a rule that if I take a girl out somewhere, I don't pay for her until I know she's worth it. If I take a girl out for the first time I will even tell her.

"You could just be using me for free food so I have to make sure you're legit haha". They usually laugh. It's kind of similar to how a girl might say they won't have sex with you immediately. They withhold sex, I withhold buying them drinks. To each their own.

Everything got resolved though. That's great, brother.

Keep us updated, cheers.

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DJ_Z wrote:
You are better off sarging, meeting her, then going for the lay then instead of going away and trying to re-enter the interaction. When you are standing there in front of her, you are able to influence her. The moment you walk away, she now gets to analyze what just happened. That's when she realizes her family would disapprove, or she doesn't want her friends to find out and label her "that kind of girl," or fuck she's convinced herself that she is supposed to date guys that are different than you in some trivial way. That's why you, me, or any guy can fuck a girl and then be told we are the exact opposite of what they usually go for. In the moment you can mix emotional stimulation, sexual arousal and social frame together. A text message just can't have the same impact.
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You are better off sarging, meeting her, then going for the lay then instead of going away and trying to re-enter the interaction. When you are standing there in front of her, you are able to influence her. The moment you walk away, she now gets to analyze what just happened. That's when she realizes her family would disapprove, or she doesn't want her friends to find out and label her "that kind of girl," or fuck she's convinced herself that she is supposed to date guys that are different than you in some trivial way. That's why you, me, or any guy can fuck a girl and then be told we are the exact opposite of what they usually go for. In the moment you can mix emotional stimulation, sexual arousal and social frame together. A text message just can't have the same impact.
Although I find the word "sarging" repulsive, I had to quote this twice because it's the absolute truth.

i agree that what DJ-Z has said is undisputedly real.

Especially this:

If I am trying to take a girl from the bar back home I still say shit like we can chill with my pets and I'll mix up a couple cocktails.

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Johnny Utah wrote:
So I changed my mind. I don't want to meet with her at all. I met some other women this morning and got their contacts while I was buying myself some breakfast.

I have had women message me saying: "I want to know what you want to do!" the night before we meet up after I tell them I plan to give them a call and tell them about a fun plan to meet up the next night. This is what she messaged me last night.

Of course, she is already thinking that I want to just have sex with her and she is correct. In situations like this, the woman would already be ready to go with her rejection on the tip of her tongue when I call her up lol. There is a chance that she might be down to have sex, but usually that is not the case when they ask questions like the one above.

I will assume that she is just going to turn me down over the phone, which is fine. She is the one that was hitting on me yesterday, while I was just shopping for a mother's day gift lol. It is no loss and like mentioned on here a billion times, there are countless other women to move on to that will be interested.


Glad to see everything worked out.

Just out of curiosity, does telling them you have a surprise for them ever actually work? I would never say that honestly. It seems sketchy. Of course there are ways of going about. The way you phrase things and general tone helps. I just would not feel comfortable saying that. I don't see the issue in taking a girl out to get a drink before hand. It makes the sex better too. I wouldn't be concerned about spending like $10. A lot of girls these days will pay for themselves too. I generally follow a rule that if I take a girl out somewhere, I don't pay for her until I know she's worth it. If I take a girl out for the first time I will even tell her.

"You could just be using me for free food so I have to make sure you're legit haha". They usually laugh. It's kind of similar to how a girl might say they won't have sex with you immediately. They withhold sex, I withhold buying them drinks. To each their own.

Everything got resolved though. That's great, brother.

Keep us updated, cheers.


Thanks man!

Actually, saying this has worked out for me countless times with women. Of course, I also often meet the more cautious type (totally understandable) that want me to spell out exactly what I plan to do with them. These are huge red flags for me, so when this happens I just move onto other women.

I could have called up that woman the following day, just to prove to myself that I was right about her planning to flake on me, but there is no reason to waste my time because I have already experienced this type of phone conversation with a couple other women before.

Yes, I sometimes take women out for dinner and a drink before going to a love hotel, but I guess being a more direct guy, I have a habit of skipping passed all that haha.


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