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Poet and Jack arent saying "ask" for a relationship. No one is. I doubt they're saying the convo should be "Can we have a rs?" Moreso, along the lines of "I like you, let's be exclusive."
It's the same thing, lol. you're acting out of fear of losing her, so you bring it up. There's no way around it. It's coming from a feminine place.
Even R.C. (whom I've had my disagreements with) will agree that bringing up exclusivity and "I love you" first is feminine energy and the wrong way to go.
Again, the goal of this forum is for men to remain emotionally-centered (no over-contact, no Debbie Downer texts, no corralling, fear of loss, anger, etc), and for men to remain in their masculine.
Confident, direct approaches and seduction (dominant seduction, not fucking weakly and/or ignoring a woman's orgasm needs) are masculine energy. Discussing feelings and bringing up "talks" (exclusivity) are feminine energy.
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You fail to get the simplicity of what's said and I have no idea why you find directness to include chasing, asking, over contacting, and neediness.
Because, as I've said before, feeling and relationship talk is feminine energy. A masculine man will be focused on his career.
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This is sincere to you. Being honest does not mean being needy or chasing or overly emotional.
Neo man, look at this forum, lol. I'm not trying to be a dick. This entire forum exists because so many guys have no fucking clue what they're doing. They blurt out they want to marry a girl right away, bring up relationships, right away, over-text, shower a woman with flowers and dinners on a firs date, get neurotic about a small thing the woman said, then harp on it until they're dumped, linger around potential connections to the point they creep them out, etc.
These guys can't control their emotions. Most me try to get women exclusive too soon, and repel them.
It's just science, Neo. Women do not want a man who does this, if the woman has any high-level social value at all.
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If you think that if you were honest, that MUST include begging for a relationship...thats on you. That's NOT what's being said here. What you see as people challenging you, is really people trying to help you. I see people over and over trying to get you to be comfortable with being honest and not playing all these games, but you cant fathom how un-needy honesty looks like. It MUST involve chasing...it MUST involve she loses interest...it MUST have you lose the girl.
You're not looking at the context of this forum. Every bit of advice I give is based on the countless poor dudes here who chase women away. This is not necessarily advice for people who are actually good with women.
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A sincere question, and hopefully this reaches you. Could you go to the women in your life, and drop the games and just be the same fit, dominant, multi orgasm guy that you are and keep them? Could you text a girl when you want to, and NOT blow up her phone to the point of nuisance? Could you see a chick daily and STILL be a challenge? Could you tell a girl she's your gf and she feel happy about it? If you threw the games away, what would change? And if things do change, you gotta start asking yourself why. At the end of the day, people are just telling you to be comfortable with yourself and express yourself.
You're missing the point, NEO. The guys here have no clue. None. So I'm providing a rigid frame of training.
Yes, I do all those things you mention, and my rigidity is far more flexible than you think.
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You have the 20 something gf, you have the bartenders, you have the fitness, you have the multiple orgasm sex, you have the drive...come on man...you dont need the whole game playing shit at this point. If at this point, with all that shit you still cant just BE, whats the point of all this?
Oh I can be. I'm myself, Neo. My advice is for all the guys who post here, who NEED that super rigid dominant approach to begin to train themselves out of nice-guy-pleaser. They CANT be who they are.
It doesn't work.
So they need a template to become better, to change and evolve.
Everything I do and say here is within the context of guys who need help. This may not necessarily be who I AM away from this self-help forum 100% of the time.