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It's pretty simple:
Your game is not at my level, so it's unbelievable to you. I get it.
LMAO...Your game isn't at your level. It's unbelievable because you always contradict yourself. That's why people ask questions. You know the contradictions exist and that's why you go to the petty accusations and "prove your game" bullshit. You're all smoke and mirrors.
Arch, what you're not seeing is you're acting like being honest and non needy is this unbelievable thing. When Jack and poet are talking about honesty and not caring, you're lumping in words like "needy," "chasing" like you dont get true honesty and not caring. You're missing all of the points.
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If you're really into a girl, more than she is you, for weeks/months, and you ask for a relationship, you're going to get bounced like all the other needy guys she's bounced.
Poet and Jack arent saying "ask" for a relationship. No one is. I doubt they're saying the convo should be "Can we have a rs?" Moreso, along the lines of "I like you, let's be exclusive."
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The pushing for exclusivity, the corralling, the desire to secure a woman based out of fear, over-contact, possessiveness, anger....these are why this forum exists.
Again, taking honesty to mean something else entirely. Who here, has said "ask"? "Who here has said "push."?
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A man who is doing all the right things won't go chasing girls around for relationships.
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This entire forum, lol, is about people CHANGING themselves, not BEING themselves. We have desperate, sad, pathetic guys here who spew their feelings to women, demand relationships and over-contact them by acting on their emotions.
You fail to get the simplicity of what's said and I have no idea why you find directness to include chasing, asking, over contacting, and neediness. Same way if a guy has never really done "direct game" and you tell him you were direct with a chick, he starts assuming oh you must have showered her with compliments and she knew she had you and all that. No.
This is sincere to you. Being honest does not mean being needy or chasing or overly emotional. If you think that if you were honest, that MUST include begging for a relationship...thats on you. That's NOT what's being said here. What you see as people challenging you, is really people trying to help you. I see people over and over trying to get you to be comfortable with being honest and not playing all these games, but you cant fathom how un-needy honesty looks like. It MUST involve chasing...it MUST involve she loses interest...it MUST have you lose the girl.
A sincere question, and hopefully this reaches you. Could you go to the women in your life, and drop the games and just be the same fit, dominant, multi orgasm guy that you are and keep them? Could you text a girl when you want to, and NOT blow up her phone to the point of nuisance? Could you see a chick daily and STILL be a challenge? Could you tell a girl she's your gf and she feel happy about it? If you threw the games away, what would change? And if things do change, you gotta start asking yourself why. At the end of the day, people are just telling you to be comfortable with yourself and express yourself.
You have the 20 something gf, you have the bartenders, you have the fitness, you have the multiple orgasm sex, you have the drive...come on man...you dont need the whole game playing shit at this point. If at this point, with all that shit you still cant just BE, whats the point of all this?