Ahhh...now I can get what poet is saying. Poet, if you're masculine is being honest and not playing games, whether it be at the approach, or 2 months later or a year later, basically ALL the time, I connect with that thought as you're keeping that mentality throughout. Now I always say do what you want...you want to fuck her, fuck her, you want her to be your gf, say so, you like her, show it. Whether a guy initially approached indirect or direct. To me, if you approach indirectly with "who lies more" and 5-10 mins of fluff, its not really feminine to me because soon your'e showing interest and then you're going with honesty all the time after that. I know guys who use indirect, not because they're afraid but because they enjoy that energy and form of flirting over my style. They like that "I'm talking to 2 chicks about bs, but I'm throwing little teases for the chick I like, there's tension between us, then I ask her to come to the bar with me and everyone knows we like each other." They prefer that energy and dynamic initially. If you look at those interactions, its not a guy throwing a "DHV story" and busting out magic at the bar. You'd say "those 2 people were flirting." After that, guy proceeds as usual. He's honest after that and even if the chick asks if the opener was bs, he has no problem admitting and laughing at it. Now, if your stance is be honest throughout...it's masculine, I can see that from you following through with that and not compromising your intentions.
Where Arch is losing me is he's saying be honest at the beginning or its feminine...but at some points dont be honest but its still masculine. The difference is, if Poet is saying honesty, he's standing by that all through the process, but Arch is compromising, but saying that the guys who compromise at the open are feminine. All Arch's points on why you cant be honest at certain phase, ie she has options, she'll dump you...let the indirect guy use those reasons when he chooses "Who lies more." The indirect guy can very well say he needs to go indirect because she has options..... which is even a reason in the literature. If you take his explanations out and imagine Mystery wrote them, they'd fit into "reasons you go indirect."
I could say, dont go direct hide your intentions...do that
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Later in the game. Early on, it's needy and will get you dumped.
I could say go indirect, make her wonder about your feelings
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Women take longer to fall in love.
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I had this talk with two women the other night. The worst mistake a man can make (because 90% of men make it) is to not be a challenge early on, or to at least have some level of indifference.
Is it me, or are these not the reasons to go indirect as if Mystery wrote it himself?
Arch if you're picking and choosing when to be true to your intentions and not because she may leave, or she may like you less, thats the same as the MM guy hiding his intentions upfront because she may leave or like you less.