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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 11:07 pm 
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Sunshine_88 wrote:
So i'm guessing you ask all the girls to come
back home with you on the same day you meet them? The ones that turn you down, do they usually agree to a second date? Why do you feel like coming on really strong in the beginning is a good
Idea? Can't any guy come on strong and display his intent to have sex early
On? How does this make you stand out at all?


Nah. You have to calibrate the interaction through compliance tests and escalation.

For instance, after the approach and opener, you flirt with the girl by looking deep into her eyes while thinking of sexual thoughts, brushing your body against hers by getting physically close and holding her hand. When she's receptive to those, you go for the instadate like this:

"The park just around the corner has some koi fishes. They're really awesome. Let's go." Then you tag her along towards your isolation venue. You get her some cotton candy. Get her talking. Escalate some more and then go for the pull to your apartment when you notice her getting horny.

"It's hot in here. Let's cool down a bit. I got some fresh strawberries at my fridge. Do you know how to make some strawberry shake?"

"Yes./No."

"Cool. Let's make some then. Let's go."

At this point, either the girl will come with you or back out depending on the situation. If she comes with you to your apartment, you're good. If not, you get her number and set for a day 2.

How do you stand out? Very few guys go for the instadate.

The key is to escalate hard, talk less, let the girl talk more, and bounce her to instadate venues that trigger good memories like coffee shops with strong coffee aromas, gardens, parks, and so on. You should also be very calibrated in your escalation to minimize ASD at the very minimum.

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 11:51 pm 
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Monsignor Crisanto wrote:
Sunshine_88 wrote:

The key is to escalate hard, talk less, let the girl talk more, and bounce her to instadate venues that trigger good memories like coffee shops with strong coffee aromas, gardens, parks, and so on. You should also be very calibrated in your escalation to minimize ASD at the very minimum.


Do you usually escalate with your touching or mostly just through having a more emotional conversation? or a mixture of both?

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 4:44 am 
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Yeah. It forces you to take action. If you can't pull it off the same day, get the number, text, and pull it off the next day. Your rapid actions get girls excited. When girls play hard to get, next them. This is when it gets good. Several of those play hard to get girls will start chasing you.

My instadate rapid approach looks something like this:

10 approaches --> 3 instadates
30 instadates --> 1 same day lay
30 instadates --> 2-3 lays within a week on top of the SDL
30 instadates --> an additional 3-5 lays within 2 months


So for 100 approaches, my current rough results are:
- 1 SDL
- 2-3 day 2s
- 3-5 play hard to get girls chasing

Total: 6 to 9 new lays every two months. That's a 6% to 9% f-close rate per 100 approaches. If the batting average is good enough for you, stick with the instadate approach. If not; try something else.


how much does that cost you

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Dude... just "Make her say no." When she does let it go no sweat...

Escalate and work on your calibration skills for same day lays... and be shameless. Be a man, be fearless and straight go for the fuck.

What's sexy about coming on strong is women love when a man finds them dead sexy and wants to tear their clothes off. They love when the guy just wants them and can't keep their hands off them as long as you do it right... you're fearless and you don't take it personal when they show no interest... don't get all butt hurt.

Yes you may come on too strong but you'd be surprised how ok with shit women are.

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Sunshine_88 wrote:

Do you usually escalate with your touching or mostly just through having a more emotional conversation? or a mixture of both?


Start with this:

pua-lounge/topic97891.html?hilit=esp%20escalation%20model

If you're new to this, keep it simple. Start small.

Warped's ESP Escalation Model is the best explained, easiest to understand shit there is when it comes to escalation. The key principles have solid science behind them and gave me some of the best results through relentless infield testing.

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how much does that cost you


Everything balances out nicely and I make a net profit of some US $300 in cash and cash equivalents from the young and hot college girl demographics per 100 approaches/30 instadates. My investment expense per instadate averages roughly at around US $3.

Women are some of the most productive inhabitants of the planet. Women are actually profit centers rather than cost centers. You have a lot of reengineering to do with your feudal age mindset.

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Yes you may come on too strong but you'd be surprised how ok with shit women are.


QFT.

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Start with this:

pua-lounge/topic97891.html?hilit=esp%20escalation%20model

If you're new to this, keep it simple. Start small.

Warped's ESP Escalation Model is the best explained, easiest to understand shit there is when it comes to escalation. The key principles have solid science behind them and gave me some of the best results through relentless infield testing.


Thank you, awesome post my friend! Also, when you ask these women back to your place do you have comebacks ready for when they object and say something like, "I'm not a slut, I don't go home with guys I just met. etc..."

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Sunshine_88 wrote:

Thank you, awesome post my friend! Also, when you ask these women back to your place do you have comebacks ready for when they object and say something like, "I'm not a slut, I don't go home with guys I just met. etc..."


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Dude... just "Make her say no." When she does let it go no sweat...


Sunshine, you're a member of this forum since 2012. By now, you should have known that you don't ask girls to come to your place, like: "Can I ask you to come to my place? I have fresh strawberries in the fridge."

The proper way to do that is to make sure she's horny first (you cannot isolate a girl to your place unless she's horny), then you tell her a reason, then command her to go with you, like this:

"I want to introduce you to my female room mate. It wil be fun. Can you sing some old Miley Cyrus songs for her?"

"No./ Yes./ Maybe./ I'll try./ (Any random answer.)"

"Cool. Let's go."

Once you have isolated her to your apartment, introduce her to your female cat/ female dog/ female goldfish then escalate hard towards the f-close.

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Monsignor Crisanto wrote:
Sunshine_88 wrote:

Thank you, awesome post my friend! Also, when you ask these women back to your place do you have comebacks ready for when they object and say something like, "I'm not a slut, I don't go home with guys I just met. etc..."


poeticlyskuac wrote:
Dude... just "Make her say no." When she does let it go no sweat...


Sunshine, you're a member of this forum since 2012. By now, you should have known that you don't ask girls to come to your place, like: "Can I ask you to come to my place? I have fresh strawberries in the fridge."

The proper way to do that is to make sure she's horny first (you cannot isolate a girl to your place unless she's horny), then you tell her a reason, then command her to go with you, like this:

"I want to introduce you to my female room mate. It wil be fun. Can you sing some old Miley Cyrus songs for her?"

"No./ Yes./ Maybe./ I'll try./ (Any random answer.)"

"Cool. Let's go."

Once you have isolated her to your apartment, introduce her to your female cat/ female dog/ female goldfish then escalate hard towards the f-close.


Haha, I knew the, "you've been a member since 2012" burn was coming eventually. Well yea that's not really something you should take at face value. I've been in and out of serious relationships since then. I don't cheat on my girlfriends so there hasn't been a need to know any of this shit for a really long time. It sux having to relearn this stuff but that's what has to happen. Plus, the game has changed since I was last single.

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The game hasn't really changed man.

Honestly the same sense of style as 4 years ago is chill with a button up, nice kicks, vests, and ties. If you have a timeless sense of style you're good.

Confidence, Self-esteem, happiness, and swag are still massively important when it comes to attracting girls internally.

You still need the same nonverbal and verbal communication skills.

The same physique is still considered attractive.

It's still the same escalation skills.

How you make a girl wet and how you make her cum is still the same.

Not really sure what the fuck you're talking about the game has changed....

Now you may have changed... may have had your self-esteem damaged, or happiness threatened, confidence hurt... all that happens from relationships (speaking personally I am recovering myself) but the things that make you skilled with women and attract them? Na that's all the same... which is why when my ex broke up with me and broke my heart I was still able to pull girls right after the relationship, and that I still do better than the average guy even though I'm still not as good as I used to be and that I have to resharpen those old skill sets.

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poeticlyskuac wrote:
The game hasn't really changed man.

Honestly the same sense of style as 4 years ago is chill with a button up, nice kicks, vests, and ties. If you have a timeless sense of style you're good.

Confidence, Self-esteem, happiness, and swag are still massively important when it comes to attracting girls internally.

You still need the same nonverbal and verbal communication skills.

The same physique is still considered attractive.

It's still the same escalation skills.

How you make a girl wet and how you make her cum is still the same.

Not really sure what the fuck you're talking about the game has changed....

Now you may have changed... may have had your self-esteem damaged, or happiness threatened, confidence hurt... all that happens from relationships (speaking personally I am recovering myself) but the things that make you skilled with women and attract them? Na that's all the same... which is why when my ex broke up with me and broke my heart I was still able to pull girls right after the relationship, and that I still do better than the average guy even though I'm still not as good as I used to be and that I have to resharpen those old skill sets.

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poeticlyskuac wrote:
Yes you may come on too strong but you'd be surprised how ok with shit women are.

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Monsignor Crisanto wrote:
So for 100 approaches, my current rough results are:
- 1 SDL
- 2-3 day 2s
- 3-5 play hard to get girls chasing


numbers approach makes sense to assess your own effectiveness in either approach. spend 1-2 months going for same day lay on every approach and see if your numbers improve.

you'll atleast uncover areas of improvement in your own game


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