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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:58 am 
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But anyway, how exactly can you gain muscle while losing fat at the same time unless you're a beginner in the gym?
You can. It's just highly non-optimized. And it's pretty brutal(especially compared to other ways). My friend Andre did that after he just totally let himself go for almost a year(he's around 145LBM at 5'8" so he's fairly trained). He put on like 25 lbs of fat. Started a modest cut(about 500 under maintenance), and was really hitting it hard 4x a week. He dropped all the fat, and at the end, he put on about 3 lbs of muscle and had an LBM of 148. It also took 6-7 months to gain those 3 lbs.

It can be done even among fairly trained people, but it's a LOT of work, for pretty modest gains. If he'd been lean and clean bulking, he'd have probably put on double that.

I'm currently trying it through intermittent fasting, ketogenic diet, and eating at maintenance or slight caloric surplus and I think it's working (very slowly, of course). It's really hard to stick to the diet plan, though.

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Intermittent fasting will do it, providing you're a long way from your true genetic potential. I'd much prefer to focus on one specifically, though. I'd rather get great results with one at a time rather than mediocre results with both... but I'm not saying my way is right.

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I felt terrible on a keto diet. I did lose some weird water weight I was carrying, permanently(which was unexpected). But it was too much for me. I can't imagine working out while on it. I'm glad I did it for a few days, because I did lose like 7 pounds up front(probably %100 water), and about 3 stayed off, even after I went back to carbs.

I've heard keto is most effective for guys over %20 body fat. They can see weight melt off, very quickly. The main reason leaner guys use it, is to keep abs/definition. I'll just have to deal with carb bloat.

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For me bulk/cut and IF work best. Tried IF last year for the summer cut and I was actually impressed with it. Best results I've ever had.

It's a bitch to get used to though, and I did the ruthless 20/4 protocol.

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I find this debate on whether or not to lose fat first and then add muscle vs. starting to add muscle right away very interesting.

In my case, I had no choice. I'm 43, I have two bad knees and two bad elbows and my weight was causing other health problems including erectile dysfunction, high cholesterol and lethargy. On top of that, I really want to get back into playing tennis. Try asking 43-year-old bad knees to run a 270-pound body all over a tennis court. Not going to happen. Lastly, I had abysmal flexibility. When I bent over and kept my knees straight my fingertips were about 15 inches from my toes. They're about 2 inches from my toes now. I want to get to where I can put my palms on the ground.

On a side note, I don't know what people think nowadays but when I was in high school I was taught that flexibility is the foundation of fitness. In addition to helping to prevent injury, increased flexibility helps to increase range of motion which not only helps you run faster, but almost regardless of what lifting exercise you do the increased range of motion helps you recruit more cells with a single rep, helping you get stronger faster. Any of that still regarded as universally true today?

I did hire a personal trainer. He's working with me almost exclusively on flexibility and core strength (I also had a very weak core - I could do a 15-second plank on a good day. I've done 75-second planks recently). I run 3 miles 4 times a week on my own.

GETTING BACK TO THE POINT, in my case I have no choice - I need to get my weight down to 210 or 200 and improve my flexibility or my health ain't goin' nowhere. But I do wonder if I *had* a choice whether or not it would be beneficial to me to try to improve flexibility, strength and endurance all at the same time.


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But I do wonder if I *had* a choice whether or not it would be beneficial to me to try to improve flexibility, strength and endurance all at the same time.


I think it's basic that before we engage in any high intensity exercises, we should do our warm ups. And after a workout, we should do our cool downs. Warm ups and cool downs incorporate whole body flexibility exercises which means as we workout on the regular, our flexibility improves.

As for running 4 times a week with a 270 lbs body, I think that's a bad idea with your age. It isn't only bad for your knees but also bad for your ankles. I really think that you should start with light Muay Thai shadow boxing of two 5 minute rounds, do the standard flexibility warm up, then do your strength training to build up your muscles so you'll burn more calories when you move, proceed with more vigorous MT shadow boxing, then cool down. You can also walk 7 minutes a day in addition to your regular workouts.

When you have dropped weight to around 180 to 200 lbs, then running on the regular would be more forgiving on your knees and ankles. Try to substitute also your beef, pork and chicken intake with tuna, cod fish (I must warn you though that you'll get an oily ass), blue marlin and/or tilapia. You can splurge on a cheeseburger or baby back ribs once a week.

I'm 46 years old and I managed to get my 6 pack abs get well defined with a regular fish diet in addition to the regular workouts. I still splurge on steaks, cheeseburgers, pizza and ice cream but I guess eating healthy food on the regular and working out religiously will give you the luxury of some decadence every now and then.

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^ I'm from the school of thought of cutting first, and then bulking, actually. Anecdotally, I've been getting back in the gym. I can report that my weight is the same, the belt size went down and I'm only seeing improvements now. Just wanted to chip in my 2 cents of bro-science that has worked for me.

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My original question in this thread is, if any guy hit the gym, lost weight and put on some muscle, could any guy be as attractive to women as the girl in the OP now is to men, and the consensus seemed to be yes. (By the way, from everything I've seen on the net the girl in the OP has kept the weight off and is still trying to open her own gym).

Since the thread grew into useful discussions about fitness, I'll post this question here because it's relevant:

What are everyone's thoughts on this whole question about calories in vs. calories out?

I know people who insist that the only way to lose weight is to burn off more calories than you consume and it's as simple as that. Yet then I see reports that things like stress, certain prescription drugs, lack of sleep etc. can cause people to *not* lose weight even if they're "doing everything else right".

I've also seen debates on whether or not certain people have naturally higher metabolisms than others. For example it was rumored that the Tejana singer Selena could slurp cokes, scarf doritos and eat entire medium pizzas without ever exercising and without ever gaining an ounce. A similar story - in the early 2000s Colts WR Marvin Harrison was roommates with DT Tony McCoy,and Tony had to move out because Marvin could eat entire boxes of twinkies without losing his chilseled body but for Tony it was impossible for him to maintain his playing weight when subjected to the same tempatations.

Yet I've heard people say that everybody's metabolisms are inherently similar and Marvin just secretly exercised more than Tony did (during an NFL training camp - whatever).

EDIT: Also this whole eat a lot of small meals topic - that eating 6 400 calorie meals helps you lose weight better than eating 2 1200 calorie meals.

EDIT 2: Also the whole time of day topic - that the earlier in the day you eat the less weight you gain.

Thoughts on these topics?


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To the original post. Yes, if you out in the work you can look like a fitness model. It's a major endeavor though. The better question is whether that's efficient. In my experience, the change in success with women doesn't increase that much in going from in shape to fit or fit to Greek god physique.

Men are more visual than women. You are better off just looking a bit above average and really better off by not being a knee jerk no.

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