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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:30 am 
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Hey guys, I have a new subject for you to reflect on and maybe help me figure this out together.

Why do hotties flake?
- It's a simple and at the same time really hard question to answer. I've read enough info about it but still can't exactly put my finger on it. I believe the first impression is everything, but is it really?

Yes and No. The first impression we guys make is surely vital because it shows (to some extent) who we really are in the span of 3-5 minutes. But is it enough?
Reasons hot girls flake can be tons - she's busy, she has a boyfriend, really bad time to meet new people, generally not interested, not attracted enough or simply just a bad first impression.

I'll give you my latest experience. I was walking down the street and a really nice british girl walked past me and I could smell her perfume even from miles away (it smelled like a lot of money to me). So I decided to turn back and give her a compliment about it. Asked if it's Channel but turns out it's Versache. Long story short she was in a hurry to see her friends so we didn't chat too much. I suggested we see each other again maybe go for a coffee or tea (she said coffee) and was like: Oh yeah sure, that would be awesome (fake generosity, typical brits). Later that day I shoot her a message saying: Don't cause too much trouble with your friends - Brainser. No reply back. The next day around 5-ish I call her, she picks up, seems a bit Oh yeah heey howau and theeeeeen the flake: Oh, sorry, can I call you back in 2 minutes, I was writing a really important message i'll send it and i'll call you back. Dead giveaway. I knew she flaked so I decided to give it up.

So, to sum, maybe in my situation it was a bad first impression or 1000 other reasons. Tell me what you guys think, what did I do wrong.
Second - what are your ways of approaching 9s and 10s. I know this sounds vague and that there is ton of info on the internet about it but i find it's ineffective for daygame. People are in a hurry, don't like being hit on and the chance of scoring a date is tight. So what are your experiences with beauties. (I'm not talking night game of course, that's different). Any creative ways to impress them? I know I shouldn't be overthinking it but being direct and saying she's... really... beautiful and asking who she is might not be the best solution either.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do hotties flake
PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:00 am 
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Day game, just like night game, is best when you go from start to finish (You meet and end up in your suite).

The instadate, IMO, is pretty much mandatory if you want to reduce the amount of flaking. On an instadate, try to cut it off at a high point and ask if you guys can go out later (that night if possible). Don't setup anything more than 2-3 days out or you may as well throw away the number.

I can't stress the fact that you need to be as normal as possible when you approach. Meaning...don't try to put on a show, be too smooth (gamey), or try to be too impressive. You want to seem like you are a regular guy that is attracted to her because everything else puts an instant guard up (btw...I hate the text you sent because it was really gamey).

Saying all of that, it takes time and effort in the initial meet in order to reduce the likeliness of a flake in day game. Unless you have some kind of status, a five-minute initial meet isn't going to change her life where she is thinking about you and can't wait for a date. You have to spark an emotion. The best spark, IMO, is letting her know that you find her attractive and then her getting a real sense of your personality and walking away with a positive feeling.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do hotties flake
PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:54 am 
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JackZero wrote:
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Meaning...don't try to put on a show, be too smooth (gamey), or try to be too impressive. You want to seem like you are a regular guy that is attracted to her because everything else puts an instant guard up (btw...I hate the text you sent because it was really gamey).


Yes, I have to agree with you on that. Although some girls like bad boys, most tend to get their defences up when they see one. I remember one time I approached a girl and it was going so smooth she got turned off. And because I like to twist things a bit I told her i'll give her my phone number because I don't take girls' phone numbers and she just shot me straight there and then with "Oh come on, i've had so many guys do that to me. I don't think it's normal. I believe the guy should take responsibility and be a man." So I got her number and she never answered. She was right to some extent. A recent example I had was when I pulled a girl (da bitch defense was on a 100) she couldn't stop kissing me but I couldn't get her on the bed. With some smooth effort i got her there and we kept making out but she was testing me. Trying to escalate and tell her we're not going to have sex, that we're just having fun and kissing each other, she said: Yeah, with your condoms laying on the side of your bed (it was my bad, completely forgot about them). She kept kissing me however she never let me escalate more than that. She told me I was a bad boy. I guess girls get defensive when they see things going too smoothly. Maybe that's my problem. I really don't know.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:51 am 
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Hotties flake because they have abundance mentality. They don't care avout yoh unless you built the perception that you are her best option.
Usually they look at you as just another average chump and the world is full of those type of men, waiting to clofk at these hottie's feet. Thats why DHV is a technique in this community.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:57 am 
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Yes, I have to agree with you on that. Although some girls like bad boys, most tend to get their defences up when they see one. I remember one time I approached a girl and it was going so smooth she got turned off. And because I like to twist things a bit I told her i'll give her my phone number because I don't take girls' phone numbers and she just shot me straight there and then with "Oh come on, i've had so many guys do that to me. I don't think it's normal. I believe the guy should take responsibility and be a man." So I got her number and she never answered. She was right to some extent. A recent example I had was when I pulled a girl (da bitch defense was on a 100) she couldn't stop kissing me but I couldn't get her on the bed. With some smooth effort i got her there and we kept making out but she was testing me. Trying to escalate and tell her we're not going to have sex, that we're just having fun and kissing each other, she said: Yeah, with your condoms laying on the side of your bed (it was my bad, completely forgot about them). She kept kissing me however she never let me escalate more than that. She told me I was a bad boy. I guess girls get defensive when they see things going too smoothly. Maybe that's my problem. I really don't know.


I'm sorry but how is a girl telling you to man up and take responsibility for a number, or a girl calling you out for having condoms right next to your bed equate to things "going too smoothly"?

Anyway, Jack's right. If you want to reduce the chances of flakes you need to go from start to finish and she must get a solid glimpse of your personality. And like it too.
Other than that you need to understand the volatile nature of cold approach. There is no 100% success rate. I personally don't even bother sending a text unless I'm fairly certain it will lead somewhere.

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