BrasilianPatriot wrote:Thanks mate, but what do you suggest really? Start the talk with "hey"? Alot of girls specifically say "don't come with boring hey what do you do talks".
This may be somewhat controversial considering pua, but I actually for myself tend to talk too much and joke too often and am usually too disagreeable, for me if I am consciously trying to alter my behavior what I think is ''be more boring'', or ''let her talk'', some people need the opposite thought process because they are stifled and stuck in an introspective mode of thinking, they don't know ''what to say'' so they end up saying nothing or trying not to offend the girl and end up hiding their intentions because they are unsure if they will offend the girl they are interested in.
The trick is to find a middle ground, where you are showing interest, but not scaring her off by showing interest to the point of being desperate or coming off as if you are just saying things to get a rise out of her or because you think flattery is the key to winning her over to the point that all you are doing is supplicating to her and kissing her ass in the hopes it pays off.
I hate to say that the goal is to ''be normal'' or to ''be yourself'', because that can mean so many things to so many people, but you are looking for a sense of just assuming that you got it in the bag and letting her know what sort of direction or what sort of future you see by how you plan your moves. The more certain your vision is for her in relation to you, and the less attached you are to that vision, the easier it is to come off as just a genuine person, with genuine interest while simultaneously not appearing desperate or needy.
She should be under the impression that you want her, but you are totally indifferent to if you fail and will easily just move on if she doesn't feel the same way.
You could just start with ''Hey'' or ''Hi'' or you could use some of the more popular tested routines, like ''yeah, I'd probably make out with you'' or ''I don't really know how this works, are we dating now?'', you can even open with something random that pops in your head, just in the hopes it grabs her attention because it's different. The point of opening is simply to OPEN a conversation, the first thing you say isn't very important compared to how you move things forward.
Also, don't put too much stock in routines, if you're copy and pasting, it's likely she has seen it before and if she has, you immediately fall into that category of using a ''tactic'' to try to get her, which is either because you are desperate and think it's viable, or she is an obvious means to an end for you, this is unappealing either way for obvious reasons.
The idea is rather then focusing on ''what to say'' or the ''right thing to say'' instead focus on what the next move is, logistically where is your end game, what is your outcome and practically what steps do you think you need to make in order to achieve that goal.
So for example, you could simply try to steer conversation into what interests she has that are conducive to a meetup, after finding out what she likes propose doing something along those lines. You can also look up ''seeding'' on the forum which is a way to probe her for interest in meeting without actually asking her. To simplify it though, you just want to get her out, so see what would be appealing to her to go out and do, if it's something she likes, she will be more motivated to do that thing, her number comes as a result of that setup to meet and the meet should not be your end goal if you want to be with her, you have to come up with a ''game'' plan in order to meet the desired end you are looking to achieve, the more specific and realistic the goal and plan to reach the goal, the more likely you will be able to execute.
There are various posts on mid game and closing etc. etc. throughout the forum to help give you better ideas of what to actually do on dates, I suggest you look into how to deal with ASD and consider ways to escalate. Other then that you should be checking the logistics on your dates and in your approaches constantly, it is one of the most helpful things to do, see if she will move with you, see if she will go do other things, see if she will go home, when she refuses a move, dial it back focus more on her and what you are talking about and try again for a different move later that takes less effort from her. The whole time you are doing this, you should be getting close to her (physically) and letting the sexual tension build by just being normal and smiling and looking her in the eye and making her feel like you want her, but aren't just trying to get her because you are desperate, she wants to feel special, like you chose her because it was HER, not because any old pussy will do.
It is difficult to convey this quickly because from her end, you are strangers, so how could you possibly know she is SPECIAL if you don't know HER. That's what this game is about, getting to know her and connecting so that when you show her she is special to you, she understands it is genuine because you have an actual sense for who she is and respect and admire that about her. The speed at which you are able to do this at, is dependent on your skill and relative experience to be able to notice how comfortable she is and how far along she has come into feeling like you are safe to trust.